Dear HenryL,

Interesting. Do you believe the hole in the ozone layer was natural or man made?

Dear Hasbeen,

How's it going old cock. Good to see you still manning the barricades. So I have asked you a few times but have still not gotten an answer. What physical property of CO2 should I ignore so that the math can say we don't have a warming planet?

Henry L. Re 'we cannot make it rain when we want' and 'those that are afflicted with the climate warming religion that believe that man is some special creation that has the ability to change the world. Occasionally mother nature shows us that we are not in charge and she has far superior powers and influence.'

I agree - we cannot make it rain when we want, and we are not in charge. But we are, as part of the environment, able to have a big effect albeit often in the form of unintended consequences. The same thing applies to the trees and plants that transformed the atmosphere to an oxygen rich one that allowed land animals to evolve. They cannot make it rain when they want, they were not in charge but they make a big change (to our benefit), unintentionally.

But that doesn't mean that humans don't change the world. Leaving climate aside, humans are a major geomorphic force. We intentionally move mountains, dig holes, dam and divert rivers; unintentionally though agriculture we change soils, and raise dust that travels globally and deposits elsewhere (often in the ocean)). We are mother nature's left hand.

There has been some quantification of just how much earth humans have moved. See
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041103234736.htmhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/238658252_On_the_history_of_human_as_geomorphic_agents
https://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/22/12/article/i1052-5173-22-12-4.htm
https://serc.carleton.edu/vignettes/collection/36315.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_erosion (Human activities have increased by 10–50 times the rate at which erosion is occurring globally.

In 2016 I went to the International Conference on Aeolian Research in Mildura, Vic. It's not directly my field but the research was mind-blowing with respect to the amount of dust that humans generate through land clearance and agriculture. The major researchers in this field are us, and the Chinese (as you can see from the photo in the link below) - we both attempt to farm arid, windy lands. http://aeolianresearch.com/meetings.html

I enjoy it!
The ramblings of the anti climate changers, in an effort to convince themselves and us science knows nothing they get truly lost
Tell us who made the mid ocean rubbish dump,that we are not hurting the environment with our rubbish
Then explain why such an uncaring human race could not be damaging the ozone layers, remember the tobacco industry its, bought and paid for false opinions, in the name of its own self interests
Then tell me no such thing is taking place in climate change

Hi Belly,

Are you saying that mid-ocean pollution is causing global warming ? And that the tobacco industry is the main cause of one or the other, or both ?

On tobacco, Fernand Braudel, the greatest French historian, remarked in Vol. I of his monumental work on economy and society in the Middle Ages and beyond, that when Europeans tigged to the wonders of tobacco, they started growing it there. English peasant farmers took it up with gusto.

Can you grow tobacco in England these days ?

Mind you, during the Medieval Warming Period, when crops could be grown in Greenland, grapes were being grown in Scotland. I'll drink to that !

Cheers,

Joe

Cossomby,

There has been some quantification of just how much earth humans have moved. See
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041103234736.htmhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/238658252_On_the_history_of_human_as_geomorphic_agents
http://www.geosociety.org/gsatoday/archive/22/12/article/i1052-5173-22-12-4.htm
http://serc.carleton.edu/vignettes/collection/36315.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_erosion (Human activities have increased by 10–50 times the rate at which erosion is occurring globa

You take the 's' away from 'http' and they come up; it's an OLO thing!!

Is Mise,
Add to this the imbalancing of the Planet with huge dams & moving iron ore & the recipe' is complete.
I find it somewhat ironically amusing because when I first brought this up several decades ago & was ridiculed for it !