Izzy, I did not say that Capt Janszoon was a cold blooded killer.
I read that Janszoon, in search of food and water to re-stock his provisions on the Duyfken, tried to land three times by sailing to two other coastal sites and each time he and his crew were attacked by the natives and they had to retreat.
Until the third landing whereby they got the better of the natives.
By the end of this series of encounters he had lost about a dozen men.
This clearly paints a different picture about the 'saint like' ever welcoming blacks, we are all meant to believe they were.
We have been told many times how they were territorial and fought off anyone, including other tribes who encroached on their territory.
So why is it so hard to believe that they were not a piece loving people, when they have exhibited signs of aggression towards anyone at any time.
Fail!

No my Lovey, baited as in the worm on the end of the hook, come in sucker. That's right Issey bated as in abated rather than baited as in the worm. See mhaze never made any reference to the book, but then claimed he had read the book, not wanting to appear as totally ignorant, fat chance, a bit of face saving you could say. Like you claiming that "someone" unnamed had said an unnamed "Aboriginal Activists" had been paid a "squillion" unnamed amount, to do something at the opening of "Parliament 2019". You had no evidence, you just assumed it to be so, you made it up.

Anyway, time for another award; Issy is awarded the 'Nitpicking Medal' as judged by our esteemed panel of riff raff, for meritorious nitpicking above and beyond the call of duty! Goes with all those 'Porky Medals' ah!

a pair of blacksmith's tongs"
Paul1405,
You're attempting to make this incident sound trivial in comparison to the articles stolen. This was far more serious than simply some tool knocked off. Cook would have sensed that this was a gauging of the ship's crew's reaction & manpower by the Hawaiians.
You should really refrain from making comparison with the benefit of hindsight & today's values & mentality !
Just think of yourself having a flat tyre in the middle of nowhere & someone steals your wheel spanner !

Paul,

" Like you claiming that "someone" unnamed had said an unnamed "Aboriginal Activists" had been paid a "squillion" unnamed amount, to do something at the opening of "Parliament 2019". You had no evidence, you just assumed it to be so, you made it up."

You are getting desperate.

I gave you credit for spelling 'baited' correctly; what more do you want?

As for the quote above, I made up nothing and gave you references.
If you can't read and understand then that's your problem.

Steele,

You posted,

"Gammage is determined to open our eyes to the fact that in 1788 there was no wilderness, but a landscape that reflected a sophisticated, successful and sensitive farming regime integrated across the Australian landmass. Fire was not an indiscriminate tool of fuel reduction or grass promotion, but carefully employed to ensure certain plants and animals flourished, to facilitate access and rotation, and to ensure resources were abundant, convenient and predictable."

If that is so, why do we have "Wilderness Areas".
http://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/31/world/australia/australia-wilderness-environment-gone.html

" you will be able to give us at least a couple of instances where you think Pascoe falls down."

1. Tindale's grain arc. The book carries a map which purports to be one prepared by archaeologist Norman Tindale showing the areas where aboriginals gathered and utilised grain crops. As usual Pascoe opines that these grains were the result of farming the crops, rather than just picking the wild seeds. But the map Pascoe shows covers a much greater area than the real Tindale map. Whereas the Tindale map does not include the great grain growing areas of south-east and south-west Australia, these areas somehow get included in the Pascoe map. Why? who knows but perhaps it is a little embarrassing and contrary to Pascoe's arguments that the natives totally missed 'farming' the greatest argricultal land on the continent.

2. Early explorers. Pascoe claims that the early reports show an unbelievable number of references to stone houses etc. Now, although I hadn't read the early explorer journals for many a decade I couldn't recall many or even any such references. It turns out that Pascoe doesn't provide any references to support his claim but does complain that the explorers probably suppressed the actual numbers they found. Again no evidence for that is offered. Since then I've reread Sturt's journals to test my memory and there is no reference to such structures. That's why I've urged the gullible here (and elsewhere) to read the original sources.

/cont