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Freedom of Religion

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Dear Belly,

«Yes when penalty rates first came about many many more followers of God»

I am not so sure: indeed more conformed to organised Christianity at the time, but were they actually following God? were they actually thinking about God while in church or were they instead thinking of the other people and following social conventions?

«IF penalty rates are for Church goers not being able to why not Friday for Islam»

Yes, them too.

As I understand it, Christians (other than 7th-day adventists) are required to attend Mass on Sundays, but there is no fixed time, so as there are many churches around that celebrate a Mass at different times, workers can attend Mass in the morning or in the afternoon, so long as they are not made to work all day. Muslims are not that flexible because a minimum quorum of 40 men is required for Friday prayers and there are fewer mosques, so it is not so easy to find alternate times for prayer. Either way, it makes sense to compensate religious workers who might have to exert themselves and travel far to find alternate services - but not if they do not go!

«What is the Jewish day of worship»

Jews worship every day, a minimum of 3 times a day, but they do not necessarily need a congregation for that.
The issue with Judaism is different, nothing to do with worship: according to the 4th commandment, Jews are not allowed to work on the Sabbath (and some Jewish holidays), which begins at sunset on Friday evenings and concludes when it is quite dark on Saturday nights (altogether about 25 hours). During that time they also cannot drive, travel or carry money/documents, so they need some extra time on Friday afternoons to get home and empty their pockets.

But surely you must already be aware of this issue from your work as a union representative.

A conscientious employer should be able to refuse not only penalty rates, but work altogether, to weak-minded Jews and 7th-day adventists who agree to work on the Sabbath.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 13 July 2019 7:59:39 PM
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Yuyutsu,

"As I understand it, Christians (other than 7th-day adventists) are required to attend Mass on Sundays,"

Generally, only Catholics attend Mass and as Mass is celebrated in most places on Saturday evening (and attendance counts as Sunday attendance).
Therefore there is even less need for any monetary compensation for working on a Sunday.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 13 July 2019 9:49:30 PM
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http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/a-perception-of-a-problem-rather-than-a-real-problem-kingmaker-senator-questions-level-of-religious-discrimination-20190711-p526d8.html
Ise Mise swapping insults will change nothing
Sir you need to know, you truly do, your constant asking silly questions
Demanding I answer yet again, until my multiple answers suit your opinion?
Say more about you than me, BUT it reminds me you are not and never will be, other than a pain in the lower back
The link is an attempt to get back on subject
Not likely, see you side track many threads,with child like demands I think like you
LOOK at your posts,you chant endlessly are we there yet , hold your breath stamp your feet and seem intent on continuing to behave like a petulant child
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 14 July 2019 6:42:17 AM
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yuyutsu mydays as a Christian saw full on belief and a wish for God's good deeds to be done by all
Believe it, I watched the fall of religion as it started
A long gone Preacher, once a TV elangalist, sent a woman he was related to on stage on crutches, she walked off without them, but never ever needed them in the first place
People loved God, his teachers too
Today find me a Church not tainted by that misplaced trust, find me a faith that truly helps the poor
Religion in my view comes with a cash register these days
My God would not have declared workers being paid more for their only product, time and effort, was worse than ever increasing profits for their boss
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 14 July 2019 6:52:04 AM
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Belly,

"Demanding I answer yet again, until my multiple answers suit your opinion?"

What answers?
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 14 July 2019 8:03:38 AM
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Belly,

Here's one faith "that truly helps the poor".

"The [Catholic] Church operates more than 140,000 schools, 10,000 orphanages, 5,000 hospitals and some 16,000 other health clinics. Caritas, the umbrella organisation for Catholic aid agencies, estimates that spending by its affiliates totals between £2 billion and £4 billion, making it one of the biggest aid agencies in the world.

Even these numbers only tell half the tale. Caritas does not include development spending by a host of religious orders and other Catholic charities, while most of the 200,000 Catholic parishes around the world operate their own small-scale charitable projects which are never picked up in official figures. Establishing like-for-like comparisons is hard, but there can be little doubt that in pretty much every field of social action, from education to health to social care, the Church is the largest and most significant non-state organisation in the world.

A sceptic might point out that that influence can be both positive and negative. So, for example, it might be queried whether the Church’s work in education or health would be more effective if control was switched to the state. In some ways, this is the wrong question – in much of the developing world, if the Church was not involved, the services would not be provided at all. But there is a good deal of research which has attempted to compare the performance of Catholic provision of education or health with that of other providers and, in general, Catholic institutions come out rather well.
http://catholicherald.co.uk/issues/february-17th-2017/a-worldwide-force-for-good/
Posted by Is Mise, Sunday, 14 July 2019 8:54:56 AM
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