Hey Belly,

"AC it seems a truth posters here mirror Trump and those who support him"

I was all for Trump at the 2016 election.

He campaigned against involvement in foreign wars, border control, creating jobs etc.
He got out of Paris Climate Accord, UNESCO and the TPP.
He had a nationalist message with the border wall issue;
'that we the people will decide who does and doesn't enter our country.
He gave progressives a well deserved kick in the backside for taking things too far and showed they did not have the support they assumed they did.

And he stopped (well probably not actually but slowed it at least) Hillary / Pelosi and the Democrats from using open borders as an issue to bring in voting stock, to continue to plunder and bring down the nation under socialist and sanctuary city ideology;
And he slowed the continued attack on the constitution.
(Actually he hasn't done a real lot there either)

In any case he stepped over the line when he went against his election promises and has continued neocon foreign policy in Syria.

- So I don't care too much for him anymore -

There is seemingly no change or end to US wars under any US President.

Recent UN Report says half the worlds refugees caused by US.
US Bombs Syria, Israel Kills Civilians In Syria Strikes & UN Report: US Behind Half World's Refugees
http://youtu.be/VV6Gvj5sCv0

As for China and North Korea;
I was going to mention Chinagate

http://www.wsj.com/articles/china-was-bill-clintons-russia-1488585526
http://www.conservapedia.com/Chinagate_fundraising_scandal
http://abcnews.go.com/International/fbi-arrests-chinese-millionaire-tied-clinton-scandal/story?id=33990683
http://www.wnd.com/2017/02/chinagate-fundraiser-feared-clintons-would-murder-him/

[Also Guccifer 2.0 stated that many other foreign hackers inc. from China were accessing HRC private email server. Questions still remain as to whether she was deliberately sharing sensitive information via an unsecured server in return for donations to the Clinton Foundation or CGI such as she had done previously in the Chinagate scandal]

Hi there FOXY & STEELEREDUX...

Please read my previous Post. I've no idea how good or otherwise Carter was as a President. I'm talking about the reputation he had with his protectors, the Secret Service. They loathed the man on so many levels. FOXY I've no idea of what sources or books you refer to, as with you as well Steele? You both know, ever since I've been on this Forum, I never quote extracts from books or other sources.

I find the continued need to quote someone else's work, to support your view, really tiresome, as I've indicated previously. I would like to hear your opinions, your beliefs, not have some extract quoted back to me.

When I trained in the US I met many Agents with the Secret Service the FBI and other federal law-enforcement operatives. I spoke with them just like you both do with your friends. I would humbly suggest I have a far better appreciation about the man's character, as told to me directly by (retired members) of the (then) Presidential Detail than either of you two do. If you choose to doubt me, well there's bugger all I can do about it. The conservations were many and varied, just like ordinary men do, all over the world.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/trade-war-may-shipwreck-global-economy-warns-uk-bank-chief-20190703-p523k6.html
I have no problem with Trumps supporters THINKING he can save America from a very real trade deficite
And too I understand it is a very real problem, one every effort must be made to solve
But promising, saying I will fix it, then threatening the very basis of world trade, will only make it worse
America[and us only it is worse for us] can no longer make tractors and cars trucks and trains, and sell them to China Japan or many other countries
Cost of Labour supplies and much more stand in the way
World trade seems to be best served by finding things you can sell, to those markets, like food grains corn
Here is the heart of the matter Trump, in my view, is a man of no real substance, no real ability to deal with the three Communist states he must deal with
It remains my view this shallow salesman hurts the world economy, his own country, and world trade
Do not like my view? is Democracy served by condemning others views?

Hi BELLY...

You ask in your last Post; '...is Democracy served by condemning others views...'? No, it's not, especially on this Forum. As I said earlier, we all have our views & opinions, whether they're right wrong, or otherwise. If a contributor is continually (figuratively) 'shouted down,' it makes them wonder if there's any point contributing to this medium at all?

I was one of the worst offenders in bad-mouthing others. I had no 'colour' of right to do so. If one persists in this type of unacceptable conduct, no one will bother to respond or challenge your views. Due to the continued invective they receive, every time they try to answer.

Yesterday BELLY, I attempted to talk you out of leaving the Forum. Perhaps it's me that should go, especially when some of my opponents care NOT to believe what I say. I'm one of the oldest (in age) on the Forum with a few exceptions - therefore those who choose NOT to believe me, well what's the point of me even continuing to contribute at all?

Because I'll be damned if I'll use some book or author, to underpin my arguments or opinions, and we're not engaged in some judicial process. Neither the rules of evidence, or statute binds us, nor does precedent. We are simply a Forum of ordinary folk wishing to discuss and argue the topic at hand. Nothing more or less.

A final note on President Carter - no one could possibly blame his failed attempt to rescue the Iranian Hostages. The two Augustus (I think) stealth rotor wings we caught in a massive sand/dust storm, causing one to crash, thus negating any further attempts to make good a rescue. According to what I was told, the Bureau's HRT had prepared an alternate resolution to free the hostages. This alternative was revoked, preferring instead to go with the military option?

Dear O Sung Wu,

Your comments about former US President Carter were
interesting. I did state what I knew about him and also
added information from the Miller Center at the
University of Virginia which specializes in US
Presidents, public policy and political history.
And strives to apply the lessons of history to the
nation's pressing continued governance and challenges.

I added it for interest's sake and additional information.

Carter took office in the wake of the Watergate
scandal, the end of the Vietnam war and the height of the
Cold War. It was a time in which the nation was divided.
Given the state of the world he managed to accomplish
a great deal.

He spent his time working to secure peace, reduce poverty and
fight disease no matter what the political personal
consequences to himself. The nation and the world could use
more leader like him. In my opinion.

My use of links is an occupational habit. I use them to
acknowledge the sources of where my opinions come from.
I feel it gives them more credibility.

from SR..."[Clinton] rescued the economy from the Reagan disaster."

Its both sad and awfully funny when events that occurred within someone's lifespan are so misunderstood by them. Much of the last 50 years seem to be rather opaques to poor SR. The economy in the later Reagan years was among the best over the past 50 years. Of coarse the early years weren't so flash because Reagan had to fix the problems left by Carter - a decent man to be sure, but an utter failure as a president.

From Belly ..."America[and us only it is worse for us] can no longer make tractors and cars trucks and trains, and sell them to China Japan or many other countries"

Well maybe not those things specifically but it should be remembered that manufacturing is returning to the US due to Trump's policies with manufacturing job growth increasing ten times faster in Trumps first two years than Obama's last two. Its all too easy for those who claim to be pro-working man to just write-off those working jobs. The US elite has been doing that for 3 decades. Trump's great insight was to see that the blue-collar Americans were tired of being ignored and having the economic system weighted against them. He vowed to re-orientate the system to salvage middle-America and they voted for him then for that reason. And since he's delivering, they'll vote for him again.