Bleeding hearts are the worst enemy of poor Australians.
Hasbeen,
yep ! I have long been saying Australia's worst enemy is from within.

Belly,

"So yes, Morrison has surprised us all, he has the smell of a John Howard,..."

Don't you dare insult our Prime Minister.

No joy in praising Scomo, but truth has a value far more important than any bigoted view
He has won election in bad times, may fall because of that
But it will take every effort for my mob to remove him
We will and it will be the next election, but do not take him for granted

Not_Now.Soon,
>Is this fair on the grandmother to have to take on that responsibility again?
Far fairer than any alternative!

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This thread has reminded me why I despise the conservatives so much: they're ruled by fear, and they want to deny people a fair go based on what they imagine those people's views t be.

No one at this time has any idea of what these kids think. According to what has been published the elder girl has managed to keep in contact with grandmother. I would suspect at great danger to herself. How do you know they don't hate their father.
How do believe we in Australia would be safer if we abandon them overseas, leaving them with no hope. Before answering, recall the bridge in London & Bali.

To ttbn.

I don't have the answers for the youths being brought back. I think I read there were eight of them. The risks are just as you and others have surmised. And it's likely that if they don't already reject the ideologies they came from then there's nothing anyone else can do to help them. Therefore my point is more directed at those who think it's the right thing to do to bring them back. What else are they prepared to do for the risk of bringing them back? The risk is being ignored, and basically does what was criticized of earlier. Wanting to do the right thing and let everyone else (or at least the conservatives) clean up the mess.

That said, my view of what's the actual right thing to do is what I said earlier. But without a means to do it, having good intentions falls short.

To Aiden.

If you want the grandmother to raise the kids then there should be support for her to do so. If the state drops off kids on a woman is on a limited income or soon to be on a limited income from retirement, then the state should offer to help to compensate the burden. Same goes for her safety. The kids are not her own and they don't know her. If they get violent, who's there for the grandma? Can she defend herself against kids raised up in by terrorists? Passing the buck don't equate to a fairer alternative. There might be other option and resources available for the grandma, but the attitude I read here from those who are wanting to bring back the kids because it's the right thing to do, is an attitude of recklessness and half hearted crap. The criticism of virtue singling is all this amounts to. Doing the right thing is more then passing the buck and letting someone else deal with the consquences.