A dreadful, treacherous decision by a very weak Prime Minister (he has taken personal ownership of it), which will add further threats to our security, probably when Scott Morrion is well gone and forgotten. His 'the children aren't to blame' squeak is childish mush.

These children have been subjected to horrors and horrible dogmas in their formative years (0-5years). It will be very hard - perhaps impossible - to drive their experiences out, even with the oodles of Australian taxpayer money that will be lavished on them.

Sorry Prime Minister, but you are a disgrace. You might have fooled people with your happy clapping and beer swilling prior to the election; but your true colours are now showing. You are the Teresa May of Australia: a pseudo conservative in a position that should have gone to Peter Dutton, who is still at least trying to protect Australia in the face of Leftist lunacy, unelect judges and tribunals and, you, his leader.

Professor Louise Newman, development psychiatrist, has told the ABC Australia is not equipped to deal with that "significant trauma" that these children have been exposed to.

Islamic immigration was always going to lead to this kind of nonsense.

Rarely see me side with a Liberal Prime Minister
But yes truth indeed matters
He has done nothing to be ashamed of, the dead parents of these kids are, let's face it, vermin
But the kids will be watched even helped and will be no threat
What other option? world governments have been asked to help, by true Heros in that part of the world Kurdish Authorities
Why the constant anti both sides of politics, surely the lunatic fringe is unwanted by most?

I can remember very little of the time before I was five, my formative years were later, in some respects much later.

I started hunting around ten, with a .22 single shot rifle and I was given my first pistol when I was about fifteen.

Started to think about being a soldier at seventeen, before that I was on the way to a career as a locomotive engineman but steam was on the way out so I decided otherwise.

The Australian Media will ensure that these kids won't get the chance they deserve !

Islamic State fighter and dual national -
Khaled Sharrouf is believed to have been
stripped of citizenship under laws which passed
parliament in 2015.

He gained infamy after his young son Abdullah
was pictured holding a severed head. Sharouf
is believed to have been the first dual national
to be stripped of Australian citizenship under the
Anti-terrorism laws. Peter Dutton would not give
the name but - The Australian newspaper reported it
was Sharrouf.

He went to fight with Isis in Syria in 2013, a year
after being released from prison for his role in
a terrorism plot. He gained further infamy for posing
in photos with severed heads of Syrian soldiers in 2014.
He's rumoured to have been killed in 2015.

His children - Zaynab now aged 18, and pregnant with
another child. and her two children, and her sister
Hoda aged 17 and brother Hamzeh - under 10, are the
children along with 3 others are believed to be
coming to Australia. Sharrouf's children will live
with their grand-mother - and receive strong support
from the Muslim community and the government.

They will need it.

I can't even begin to imagine what these children
must have experienced. And I have to admit I feel
uneasy about the chances of them ever being able to lead
normal lives. Especially the older kids. The 18 year old
and the 17 year old.

So "the sins of the fathers will be visited onto the sons" forever after all.

How reassuring.

Remain convinced this thread is both rabid and bigoted
Even known ex terrorists have been seen to give up their ideas and these kids deserve a chance

I wonder how parents will take to having among their little darlings at school in Australia a child who has been photographed holding up a severed human head?

I hope that this part of their lives will
become distant history and eventually fade
away. And that the focus by
both parents, the schools, and the communities
in general will be on our humanity, understanding,
and empathy as opposed to the cruelty and inhumanity
that these kids have suffered.

Best leave, see I was so confronted by the totally mad insult to Morrison, I forgot the first rule
Stay away from threads that are in the end purely bigoted
We Meet our international duty and nothing to see here

Once again Foxy I find myself in total agreement, fortunately we are not a nation of bigoted haters, although some of the crusty old farts on the forum are exactly that.

//And that the focus by
both parents, the schools, and the communities
in general will be on our humanity, understanding,
and empathy as opposed to the cruelty and inhumanity
that these kids have suffered.//

Thank you for that comment.

"And that the focus by
both parents, the schools, and the communities
in general will be on our humanity, understanding,
and empathy as opposed to the cruelty and inhumanity
that these kids have suffered."

and what about those among us who will seek out these children, in later life, and try to awaken in them admiration for their father and his ideals and then set them on another path?

Is MIse,

Bad influences are everywhere as we know.
Hopefully, what they will experience and
be taught now, will stand them in good stead.
At least we, and they, shall know that they
were not given up on. Ultimately the choices
in life -
will be theirs to make. The same is true of
our own children.

Being on this site never ceases to amaze. When I heard of the kids being bought back, it never occurred to me that people would find that objectionable.

What is wrong with them? These kids didn't go off of their own volition. They were dragged into hell by their moronic parents following a moronic ideology. They are blameless.

Now I'm the first to say that our duties and obligations to the world's refugees are limited and that we need to be careful about who we bring here and offer assistance toward. But these are Australian kids, Australian citizens. Our obligations and duties to them aren't limited. They deserve every assistance we can muster.

Struth, what is wrong with you people?

Dear mhaze,

Good post from you.

This should be the focus of concern rather than any issue with these children.

"The Perth father of a 27-year-old man who was hacked to death by a Rwandan militia has been left devastated after discovering two of his son's alleged killers have been resettled in Australia."

"After spending years in US immigration detention, the two Rwandan men were recently settled in Australia as part of a refugee swap deal first negotiated by former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull and Barack Obama's US administration."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-17/rwandan-massacre-victim-family-kept-in-dark-on-resettlement/11122952

would not be discussing this problem if the regressives in Labour/Liberal/Greens had of had one ounce of courage in making sure that we selected people who shared Australian values to immigrate here. As usual its looks like conservatives have to clean up the putried mess of marxist/regressives who cause havoc and then expect others to clean up.

runner,

It's more complicated than that. And blaming
Labor or the Greens and throwing terms like -
"Marxists/Regressives," around makes you look
silly.

For your information -

Khaled Sharrouf was born in 1981 in Sydney.
His childhood was filled with crime, mental
illness. He used and dealt in drugs. His
family disowned him. He was diagnosed with
schizophrenia. In his early days he was not
a practising Muslim.

A considered thought nota slur it is my view runner and ttbn are farmore a danger to this country than the children ever will be

runner,

I don't think courage or lack thereof comes into it.The 'regressives' are the way they are because they WANT divisions in our society. They hate you. They hate me. They hate everyone like us. They probably know that there is not much that can be done with kids who have had the horrible upbringing these kids have had. The memories can never be erased, but they still want them planted here. All kids have non-erasable memories, but most kids haven't been brought up in Syria with terrorists for parents; they haven't been given a murdered man's severed head to hold up for a photograph. There is nothing kind or altruistic about the Left. They don't give two hoots about these kids, who just provide them something else to feed their continuous nagging and hatred of their own society. The sort of regime they favour would have knocked them off long ago

" In his early days he was not
a practising Muslim."

His later days as a practicing Muslim were the problem, and the influence that his life may have on his children will possibly be a problem in the future.

Is Mise,

And you think that the hatred, prejudices,
and toxicity, coming from the
mouths of certain people on this forum - is
going to have great effects on their children
and our society?

Yet we allow this sort of filth to exist
side by side with us, don't we?

//what about THOSE AMONG US who will seek out these children, in later life, and try to awaken in them admiration for their father and his ideals and then set them on another path?//

Issy, please do not "seek out these children" we will just have to do our best to keep YOU away from them, if YOU intend "to awaken in them admiration for their father and his ideals and then set them on another path"

"Those among us" how many of you are there?

cont'd ...

Children are capable of change with the
right influences. These people are
beyond help. It's in their mindsets,
and they are not capable of change.
I won't go into further detail - but
luckily they are becoming a minority
and eventually will end up on the dung
heap of history.

Grow up, Paul.
Think things through.

Do you really think that there are no Muslim extremists among us who will not try to take advantage of what these children have been through and mould them to their aims?

Foxy,

Take a look at reality for a change, how do you think that the Irish kept their cause alive for over 800 years?

These children are Australian. Had an Australian mother. Will be cared for by the Australian grand, great grandmother. The oldest was 12 when she was taken from this country by abusive mother, mad father. Old enough to have memories of their life in Australia. Parents & two older boys are dead. They lost their mother years ago. Have suffered wounds from the war. One married off at 13 to her father's friend. A man as old as her father. One child to him. She turned 18 this week which she celebrated by having her third child. They have lived in hell. Suffered starvation. I fail to see how it follows they would have any love for the ISIS cause.

Issy, you see evil at every turn! You believe guns are the answer to every problem. Sure I take the razz out of you, with your silly assumptions and fears, believing that one day these children will be got at by some evil doers. I have faith that the children will now have a decent life and be protected from such evil. What should be done with them? Petty people like you don't want them here, they create fear in you! Maybe you have been a bigger problem than they will ever be.

Flo,

Yes. I think we all know that; it is just a bit of history about this family of a terrorist. You don't say anything about the cost to the Australian taxpayer (Granny won't be paying), or the underlying security threat to Australia. Note what a qualified child development has said about these children, rather than what a load of Leftist windbags blabber about. Thanks for you comment, though.

"These children are Australian."

No they're not.
- They all left to join / fight for the Islamic State caliphate. -

They're not Aussies in spirit, they don't support our way of life;
And they disowned us when they left to fight for Islamic State.

In my opinion Islamic State fighters don't get to reclaim their previous citizenship when their caliphate is blown to hell and neither do their kids.

They are a product of their caliphate not a product of Australia, and they don't belong here.

Told you this would happen, that they were just paving the way for all the US sponsored terrorists stuck in Idlib to be returned to their home countries.

Honestly, for the sake of the safety of our own citizens and the economy I'd prefer they accidentally fell out of the plane at 35000 feet.
I'm glad their fanatical murdering IS parents are dead, and only wish a bomb had've dropped on all of them.

They are still Australian children who have been badly abused by their parents. The child who held up the severed head is dead. Who says they admired the father. There was evidence that the mother tried to get them out years ago.

//Honestly, for the sake of the safety of our own citizens and the economy I'd prefer they (children) accidentally fell out of the plane at 35000 feet.
I'm glad their fanatical murdering IS parents are dead, and only wish a bomb had've dropped on all of them.//

WHAT A NASTY PIECE OF WORK YOU ARE Armchair Critic! In the same league as Hitler.

I understand the children's grandmother Karen Nettleton went to extraordinary lengths of perseverance to rescue the children from Al-Hawl refugee camp in northern Syria, good on her.

“The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) in Syria, remains very concerned about the circumstances of tens of thousands of women and children still living in dire conditions in Al-Hawl and other camps in the region.

War has robbed the children living in these camps of their childhood. Some children don’t even have a nationality. We must treat these children – some of whom have no parents – as young people in need.”

I say bring them here & if they don't turn out, send them back !

Some do not think balance is even a word
These kids, the two mothers, are indeed victims of parents who betrayed them
Pure filth in my view those two
But we are better than them, much better, not all of us
Some are content to be every bit as hate filled as the terrorists
And I repeat some here are far more a threat to this country than the kids will ever be
Adolf Hitler used race hate to fuel his insane wish to rule the world
Some here must NEVER question why his country men and women followed him

Hey individual,
"I say bring them here & if they don't turn out, send them back !"

Sorry, no refunds and no returns.
If you touch it, you own it.

As for Paul1405, Belly, Flo and anyone else

'Wont Somebody Please think of the children'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg

You lot have grandparents disease;
Any mention of children and you all go soft and gooey like a 14 year old girl drooling over her favorite boy band.

You think that you have better morals and ethics than me but you do not.
Your just fools who are prepared to spend other peoples money putting our own kids at risk.

And I'm just someone who's prepared to make the difficult decisions based on logic rather than the soy-sipping feminised emotional responses you come to.
I'd make the decisions you lot aren't capable of making, and our country will be safer.

And for me, when these kids screw up (and they will), I won't blame them.
I'll blame you because you were the adults who were supposed to make smart and rational judgements to begin with.

Seriously if you feel a need to rescue and nurture something go down to the local RSPCA.
They euthanise hundreds of animals weekly that deserve a good home and a better life, and at least THEY would repay your love in kind.

You people want to play Russian Roullette with OUR own kids.
That's what bringing these little monsters here would amount to.

Paul,

"Petty people like you don't want them here,"

When did I ever say that I don't want them here?

I am merely pointing out some of the possibilities of their presence if you or others don't wish to discuss those possibilities then fine, but they still exist.

The people working on the 'they are just children' idea might be forgetting that it is not Muslim immigrants who cause the problems in the West, it is their children, who haven't had the horrible upbringing that these poor children have had.

Yes, Flo, they were treated badly by their parents - the very people who are supposed to be protecting and nurturing them. And, that treatment will be with them for the rest of their lives. A bad childhood means a bad adulthood, with few exceptions.

We see young adults with poor childhoods acting in criminal and anti-social ways every night on TV. We all carry our childhood experiences with us for the rest of our lives.

They are our own kids. Where is the evidence they are radicalised?

The sky is not falling a Prime Minister known for his tough stand on refugees is bringing them here

ttbn are you saying as Australian kids they have no rights. They should be punished further for choosing the parents the did. All abused kids carry the scars for a lifetime. Those who don't get the help they are entitled to suffer the most. Many even manage in spite of what they have suffered go on to be a wonderful adult. The young woman who gave birth to her third child this week as well as turning 18 has managed against the odds since her mother died to keep her siblings safe as well as her own two youngest. This in spite of herself & sister being wounded. Having no food, living in a war zone. Maybe a little credit should be given to her. It is known before her mother died, she had sought assistance to get the kids out. That would have taken guts. As would managing to keep contact with her grandmother.

Does Morrison have any choice?

Flo,

If growing up in a terrorist camp is not enough to convince you, nobody will ever be able to help you see reason. Australia has no obligation to take these children and their mother in, citizens or not. Only recently an Australian citizen was stripped of citizenship for having terrorist connections. You admit that these people will “carry their scars”, but you ignore the possible effect of these scars on other Australians, including children. Unfortunately, so does our unthinking, unknowing Prime Minister. I guess that you will never have to come into contact with them, though. Don’t worry about those other poor sods who will

Sorry, no refunds and no returns.
Armchair critic,
If that's the case then what about those who were born & raised here in a society that apparently is free & fair, yet they still became insufferable, useless morons ?

I want to highlight this thread comes from someone who ,constantly, tells us both sides of politics are unfit
Then am I far wrong in thinking the poster is from the far right
Australia is not about bigotry
Not about extremes, Morrison has done what the world community has called on all nations with people in those camps to do
Morrison, in my view, will try to empty offshore detention camps
He may even propose we take 4.000 long term refugees from Malaysia, in exchange for all on offshore detention here
Saving billions over time and in no way relaxing current policies

Belly, are you saying Morrison will rebirth Gillard's Malaysian solution. Sadly he hasn't 't the guts to do that. They need to add Indonesia to the pool, Problem solved overnight.

Flo I wish I was, but my post explained it would be only to empty the camps,
We could then keep them empty
Morrison is no mate of mine, but he is shify, he will find a way to empty the camps
Labor must not go in to another election ignoring even its own voters vote against it on this issue
In fact the only two reasons we do not have the Malaysian solution in place is
the GREENS again, voted with Conservatives
And Conservatives value the anti refugee vote too much to give it up

And Conservatives value the anti refugee vote too much to give it up.

Well, the pro-refugee vote is something Labor values highly enough to perpetuate the problem at our peril. Why is this a problem ? Because none of the immature gits have bothered to learn about the difference between refugees & silent invaders !

"Because none of the immature gits have bothered to learn about the difference between refugees & silent invaders !"

individual,

It is likely that they do know. Creating division in society is quite deliberate. Those responsible are not fussed about whether we are invaded by legals or illegals.

This is not a black and white issue. At least not in my opinion. The issue of what is right then comes to the second question of "how do you make it work." The second issue of follow through is worth mentioning because just accepting children of terrorist back without anything else to help the situation will invite most of them to return to the ideologies they came from, or sponsor other issues regardless of ideology because of the hardship they came from. Do you invite children back only to passively watch them grow into gang members and criminals because you weren't there for them after you welcomed them back? Or do you acknowledge that you want no part of this and no added responsibility to help the troubled kids of terrorists?

If there's no follow through to help the situation then all it is is inviting disaster and hoping the investment of danger doesn't come.

That said the part about what is right is easy. "And one who accepts a child on my behalf accepts me and the one who sent me." Jesus said this, and this should be the challenge we hold ourselves to. How to live up to this standard and help the kids and youth of the poor, the criminal, the orphaned and those with struggling parents or those fighting disease and medical issues. Terrorist children would fit into this challenge as well. (I'm not saying to accept children on the condition of making them Christian, but instead to bring them in because of their need. Just putting that out there before anyone confuses the matter).

(Continued)

(Continued)

Don't come at it half heartedly, though. Don't say this is the way we should do it, and then after the terrorist kids arrive, leave them to their own and hope for the best. At the very least acknowledge this. The example of Khaled Sharrou's children would be raised by their grandmother, wouldn't they?

That is a growing population of people that are raised by their grandparents instead of by their parents. Is this fair on the grandmother to have to take on that responsibility again? I think not! If the right decision is for the children to come back, then the support for raising them (so the burden is not so heavy for the grandmother) should also be a matter. Follow through so that this is really about what is right instead of about virtue signaling and nothing more. Or if no follow through on the matter then don't even act like you mean well in the first place.

Well may as well feed the chooks
That being the right of reality few
See yes Rudd got it wrong, he did open the gates that lead the refugee boats to start up again
He [and many current day supporters of Labor,made another mistake
See even Labor voters want the boats stopped
Hurts, knowing some are true refugees, not the economic ones most are
But do the maths, we can't just let them continue to come
Open the doors some say do they understand an open door policy would see MILLIONS arrive?
Yes the Malaysian solution would have [long ago] stopped the refugee boats, and refugees arriving in our neighboring countries, end, stop, no more
Abbott had mastered the fear and loathing this subject brings
He knew letting it pass would kill the subject as a weapon
So/ we pay billions to detain people MOST Australians, yes most, do not want to come here
We torture them, and put them on display, to warn others not to come
Continued

So yes, Morrison has surprised us all, he has the smell of a John Howard, he walks with the same blue collar workers
He will find a way, as he must, to find homes for the detainees and close the offshore detention camps, forever
He Will not let the boats restart, Labor understands it too must never ever think about letting a single one arrive
Back to the numbers and a solution, maybe
If any party opened the doors we would, bank on it,be seeing millions come, importing poverty is no path to a better world
AID every western country should give 5 percent of GNP aid, to make life worth living in the countries they flee
And UN or the big three powers should go to war on those who kill innocents everytime
Consider this, if we spent on aid, all we spend on detention it would be a good start to ending the need for refugees
One day we will be wise enough to reform welfare, it too powers this subject,we however may have to wait for the next Labor government this one thinks slash and burn is reform

One thing missed here is that these are not all "children". Some are up to 17 years old, & will have fully settled ideas & attitudes, that are not going to be easily changed, if it is even possible.

Allow these & immediately you hear the cry for another 25 families. Let them in, & it will be a call for hundreds more.

How many more homeless Ozzies could be helped if we weren't filling up public housing with refugees? Thousands could be housed with the housing filled with many who are merely an increasing problem.

Bleeding hearts are the worst enemy of poor Australians.

NNS,

They will not be returning to their ideologies and brutishness; they will be arriving here with those horrors intact. We have been advised by a well-known child development psychiatrist that Australia is not equipped to deal with them.

'Deradicalisation' is nonsense. These kids have been brainwashed since birth. As the Jesuits used to say, give me the child until he is 7 years of age, and I will give you the man. In fact, it is widely believed by mental health professionals that the first 5 years are the vital ones that decide the rest of your life.

We face the very real danger of becoming just as bad as the insane haters we oppose
The two girls are the only ones born here, they are victims of TWO parents who are, or before death , vermin
And a product of the Islamic faiths belief women are secondary and the property of men
Their children only because of the mothers links are our kids too
Come on! any one truly think they will be on our streets murdering us?
Any chance once re-established here they may be able to openly condemn IS tell other Muslims how wrong their brain dead parents got it?

Bleeding hearts are the worst enemy of poor Australians.
Hasbeen,
yep ! I have long been saying Australia's worst enemy is from within.

Belly,

"So yes, Morrison has surprised us all, he has the smell of a John Howard,..."

Don't you dare insult our Prime Minister.

No joy in praising Scomo, but truth has a value far more important than any bigoted view
He has won election in bad times, may fall because of that
But it will take every effort for my mob to remove him
We will and it will be the next election, but do not take him for granted

Not_Now.Soon,
>Is this fair on the grandmother to have to take on that responsibility again?
Far fairer than any alternative!

_______________________________________________________________________________________

This thread has reminded me why I despise the conservatives so much: they're ruled by fear, and they want to deny people a fair go based on what they imagine those people's views t be.

No one at this time has any idea of what these kids think. According to what has been published the elder girl has managed to keep in contact with grandmother. I would suspect at great danger to herself. How do you know they don't hate their father.
How do believe we in Australia would be safer if we abandon them overseas, leaving them with no hope. Before answering, recall the bridge in London & Bali.

To ttbn.

I don't have the answers for the youths being brought back. I think I read there were eight of them. The risks are just as you and others have surmised. And it's likely that if they don't already reject the ideologies they came from then there's nothing anyone else can do to help them. Therefore my point is more directed at those who think it's the right thing to do to bring them back. What else are they prepared to do for the risk of bringing them back? The risk is being ignored, and basically does what was criticized of earlier. Wanting to do the right thing and let everyone else (or at least the conservatives) clean up the mess.

That said, my view of what's the actual right thing to do is what I said earlier. But without a means to do it, having good intentions falls short.

To Aiden.

If you want the grandmother to raise the kids then there should be support for her to do so. If the state drops off kids on a woman is on a limited income or soon to be on a limited income from retirement, then the state should offer to help to compensate the burden. Same goes for her safety. The kids are not her own and they don't know her. If they get violent, who's there for the grandma? Can she defend herself against kids raised up in by terrorists? Passing the buck don't equate to a fairer alternative. There might be other option and resources available for the grandma, but the attitude I read here from those who are wanting to bring back the kids because it's the right thing to do, is an attitude of recklessness and half hearted crap. The criticism of virtue singling is all this amounts to. Doing the right thing is more then passing the buck and letting someone else deal with the consquences.

Aiden while sharing your views about conservatives may I remind you
This thread was started by a far far right poster and is inhabited by a few others from that lost group
No danger exists to anyone from these kids
Bank on it Morrison would not have taken this action if he saw any risk
This world is a mess, just a simple thing like this, brings our horrible thoughts and views
But in reality humanity is slipping back into a darkness not unlike the dark ages
We should see the whole thread as evidence we need to restart evolving

NNS,

The people who are barracking for these children and Morrison’s appalling decision are not really concerned about the children themselves; that’s just a cover for their wish to change the face of Australia to something very unpleasant for those of us not like them. The don’t see it as importing trouble into the country; they don't see any risk; it’s all about wrecking the joint.

The Thought that those of us who want to welcome these kids back
And in doing so support the view of our recently elected PM
is in any way traitorous, or an attempt to change our democracy, is insane
Some who do not want them back, at least believe they are a threat
Others seem to hate blindly
Bank on it most Australians, from all sides, are not blind haters, most back the PM

pffft.... democracy don't get me started Belly.

Democracy is flawed.

If 50 percent say 'yes' and 50 per cent say 'no';
And you go ahead and do what you want anyway bringing them back...

Then that just means you have some kind of bs ideology where you mistakenly thought you had some 'right' with which you could impose what one half believed upon the other half that did not agree.

What right do one half of the people have to impose what they believe upon the other half?

And how exactly is that democracy?

Everyone has the right to live however they choose so long as it doesn't affect others in an adverse manner.

The choice you make has the potential to affect me an an adverse manner.

And why is it that you care more about these kids 'feelings' who've never set foot in the country than you do about the feelings or opinions of those fellow citizens who do not agree?

Why cant you respect true democracy by showing respect to those citizens who do not agree?
Democracy shouldn't be a free pass to impose upon those who disagree.

Your position should be this:

'I support them and I want them to come back to Australia.
- But I'm just one citizen and half the country disagrees and its not ethical to impose what I believe upon them.
Therefore I'd love you to come, but because its a divisive issue I can't support you coming whilst half the country disagrees.
I believe in democracy, I have to respect the wishes of my other fellow citizens and not create or support disunity'

That should be your position.

Anyways...

These people turned their back on Australia and joined the caliphate.
They were told not to go.
Why should I have to pay for their stupid choices?
Why should anyone have to pay for their stupid choices?

If THEY play the stupid games,
It's THEY that should win the stupid prizes.

They wanted to put religion before country and go fight for the caliphate;
Let Islam take care of them, not Aussie taxpayers.
Let all the Sunni Muslims in their mosques, as well Israel and the Gulf states all pass the plate around and they can pick up the tab for this mess.
They're the ones who wanted to make war in Syria not Aussie taxpayers.

ACC you and I do not know why the wives went
The faith puts women in the near slave t men basket
Today more want to return
I put my faith in the government
Too do not believe the woman quoted is telling us the truth
See that faith tells its followers to lie
And they have mastered that
If Morrison brings them here it is fine by me

I know a young woman from an islamic nation who simply wanted to join her mother & brother here. She has an absolute clean record, saved for six years to get the $5000 for a Visa application to come to Australia & still she had her Visa refused & the money is gone.
Perhaps she should join ISIS & then apply to come here ? Probably have a better chance !

Indy, and what type of visa was this person applying for, and from what country? Family stream permanent resident visa. How did they incur costs of $5,000. I would make my application through The Australian Governments Dept of Immigration and Citizenship. No need to employ some dodgy immigration agent, and get ripped off, save myself some money.

Indy such people often pay in the tens of thousands to independent providers and still do not get in
The thing is not about costs it is the tests they must pass before being granted a visa
Failure there and its all over

Paul1405 & belly,
An Indonesian who's mother & brother live here & she was on holiday here. Whilst on holiday she was advised by Aust Immigration staff to apply for permanent residency via a last remaining relative Visa which cost $5000.-. She was supported here & had her own savings also whilst waiting for ten months for a decision. She was not permitted to work in that time. She then received a Visa refusal on the grounds that here brother was at some time during the application period back to visit his very ill father so, the decision was made that she had a relative in Indonesia. No further correspondence will be entered into, case closed.
Her money is gone, 10 months twiddling thumbs & that was it ! She is eligible to apply for a study Visa but not to stay here. Studies are an average of $35,000.-.
Now can you see the discrepancy in the Visa business ? Anyone who has the money to pay for some pretend UNI study can get here, a normal working person who simply wants to start a new life has no chance. Of, course she could possibly board a leaky boat & come here with all expenses paid but she won't because she is a decent young woman.

is not about costs it is the tests they must pass before being granted a visa
Belly,
I wish it was like that, alas !
have you ever watched the TV shid you notice how many people actually land in Australia with a Visa but then get sent back ? How on earth did they get a visa ? I tell you how, they paid !
So, where were the credentials in those cases ?

shid

ooops, typo, should be 'show did"

Indy in truth I find your posts here confronting
See the thread is an expression of hate of children being brought back
You highlight what you see as unfairness in the very opposite direction
I often see , and feel hurt, such stories, even kids being sent away, by our government
Sometimes sign a petition to try to keep them here
Hope you understand we , one day, will understand why governments do these things

understand why governments do these things
Belly,
Govt has only so much to do with such situations, it's more a case of individual bureaucrats fostering their agenda under the protection of corrupt or incompetent heads of Dept.
I clearly recall a Union President telling me "I'll do everything I can not to cooperate with this (QLD LNP) administration" !
I think it's wrong that senior bureaucrats don't change when new Govt takes the reigns.
No matter which Party !
Lower rank bureaucrats don't always follow official guide lines & many innocent people cop the short end of the stick. Many such bureaucrats have the mindset that they have a right to dictate to the Public no matter how much utterly undeserved pain it may cause.
Current Affair shows are constantly bring up such issues. The problem with these bureaucrats is that they only look at black & white, no shades of grey. Life's not like a bureaucrat imagines yet we're governed by the authority given to them no matter if they can handle it or not !