'runner,
Why was it hilarious?
And why won't you answer my question about what exactly you regard as heretical?'

come on Aiden

Last Friday Palaszczuk was Queen Green and less than a week later she is champion of ADANI.

Also heresy is something that is false or perverted. Believing that stopping coal mining is going to affect the climate is false and needs science perverted (pseudo science) to form a case. The gw relgion is unravelling quickly but not before destroying many industries. British Steel looks like going under with idiotic 'carbon credits' having to be paid to the EU. Do you really think steel isn't going to now produced by countries not paying bribes to the EU. Man made GW is a false religion with many charlatans in the renewables industry and others cashing in while destroying economies and business.

Aiden says, "Are you a compete idiot? I've already told you it's MUCH LESS.
Likewise with solar.
Repeatedly asking the question won't change the answer!"

Well no it won't change the answer from a greanie ratbag, but would anyone with a brain pay any attention to a greenie ratbag. Sorry Aiden, but your assurance is not worth the paper it is printed on.

It is required that to be a greenie, you have to remove your brain, & accept as fact, no matter how obviously crazy, any bit of garbage handed down from authority. You Aiden have obviously done that, or you could follow the math on CO2 production for both windmills & battery manufacture, followed by solar panels & electric cars.

Not one of these bits of technology can live up to the hype. The same goes for transport fuel using ethanol or biodiesel. Have you noticed Indonesia getting a bit cranky with the EU. After years of encouraging them to produce palm oil for the EU recommended diesels, they suddenly don't want Indonesian palm oil any more.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if these greenie idiot bureaucrats could get something right for once. Yes unlikely for that strange religion, but it would still be nice.

Hasbeen,

Your argument looks a lot like:
• All cats have five legs
• Aidan disagrees
•Therefore Aidan has five legs
• Therefore Aidan is a cat!

You may feel you've won the argument, but even on this board, where the proportion of people who agree with you is much higher than in the general population, most people would look at your assumptions and reasoning and conclude you're stupid.

In the 20th century, low EROEI (that's energy returned on energy invested) for wind and solar electricity generation was a big problem. Indeed even in the early 21st century the environmental benefits of solar panels at high latitudes were questionable. But the technology's moved on, and even the cynics adjusted their arguments to suit the new situation. They couldn't credibly argue EROEI to ever be below 1, so instead they said it needed to be above the arbitrary figure of 7 to support an advanced society, then tried to fudge the EROEI figures by claiming non-energy inputs could be converted to energy inputs.

runner,
Nobody who'd been keeping up with events could possibly have claimed last Friday that Palaszczuk was Queen Green. Her government's idiotic new regulation requiring electricians to do the job of labourers when setting up solar farms is devastating the renewable energy industry in that state.

You're replicating Hasbeen's mistake of assuming what you think you know to be true regardless of the evidence. That's pseudoscience; real science does the opposite. Believing that increasing the atmospheric CO2 content won't affect the climate is false and needs science perverted (pseudo science) to form a case.

You're reference to "the gw religion" shows you to be a heretic. Instead of serving God you are serving the greed of the neocons who called it a religion to make it seem illogical to their fellow atheists and evil to the more gullible of the Christians. You should be exposing lies, not spreading them!

As for British Steel, its having to contend with carbon credits isn't new. Though it is an obvious hindrance to profitability, it's one of many. I'd expect the uncertainty surrounding Brexit to be a bigger factor at the moment.

600 million people voted in India (24 times the total population of Oz), and that may have only been 70% of those eligible to vote. Wow!

1 billion = 40x Oz; 7 billion = 280x Oz. Our (Oz) footprint?

But, we have to save the planet?

Ok, it's the principle, the example that counts. If we do nothing, how can we expect other developed nations to do more?

We need to accept as fact that Climate Change is real, is happening, because that is what most of the developed world believes and accepts - irrespective of what may be the relative contributions of 'natural cycles' as against industrialization and fossil fuel use/combustion.

Receding sea ice, polar ice caps and glaciers - with coincidental sea level rise and land loss; intense and frequent storms; extensive droughts; unusual intensity and frequency of floods - in many places. These are not good signs.

How about we set aside any doubts about the reality of Climate Change, and focus solely on the question. What to do? How to react?

Problem 1 = world population. Overpopulation?
2. Increasing food production demand.
3. Looming oil crisis.
4. Increasing affluence, and material demand, worldwide.
5. Increasing immigration pressure.
6. Deteriorating living conditions and increased conflict in many parts.
7. Selfish, narrow attitudes; inward focusing; over-competitiveness and unwillingness to share.
8. Unreliable United Nations mandate and operation.

While major world powers either reject any need to act or fail to do enough, all we can do is go nuclear, implement the Bradfield Scheme and the like, and build dams, increase forests and food production, and increase our defense capability - so as, in total, to endeavor to insulate Oz from inevitable future crises.

Saltpetre,
Common sense doesn't appear capable of ever catching up to stupidity. It'd be very interesting & worthwhile for someone to do a study on how a Green's mind works, if it works in the first place that is.
Clear thinking genuine environmentalists must be just so utterly dismayed at that kind of mentality !
The Greens are to the environment what the ALP is to Labor !