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Shorten is no Bob Hawke

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Boy, did i get it wrong ?! I thought Labor might win it by six to ten seats. So I'm not as smart as i thought.

The Labor Party and the working class seem to have deserted each other: Labor chased the left/Green vote and abandoned the battlers, the 'bogans'. The Labor Party is now more the party of the well-educated, comfortable but relatively powerless (i.e. a class which thinks it rightfully should be ruling, being virtuous and superior). 'The working class can kiss my arse', eh, Belly ?

And with the evolution of working-class workers (to a large extent) from 'bogans' into self-employed tradespeople and contractors and small business-people, who do they vote for ? It seems they flocked to the Coalition. Can the Labor Party ever get them back ? Perhaps only if they cut their links to the Greens and move away from trying to imitate Greens policies.

Morrison won from the centre: surely there's lesson for Labor ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Sunday, 19 May 2019 1:11:23 PM
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Well I too got it wrong, the polls got it wrong
And my ALP got it wrong six years ago
Bill Shorten did nothing as a Union head others do not do
He [and yes I hurts still] knifed Kevin Rudd
Then Gillard
I hoped the man who I knew would return after a victory
He never returned and now we go back six years
ALBO, ANTHONY albanese was elected by rank and file, NOT Bill
The caucus put Bill in over our stated wishes
We get to vote in leadership matters
Bill if nothing else brought us back together
But he too busted us in the first place
ALBO please lets us then start trying to bring the center to us
Scomo gets power again, just in time for a very real coming financial crisis
The Senate? ALBO should combine whenever he can to get government bills passed isolate the chooks
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 19 May 2019 4:14:58 PM
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Here's a song for Bill.
http://youtu.be/s_8KR-n2fBQ
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 6:29:02 AM
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Perhaps the reason for the surprise on the left is because of the biased leftist media. This correlates with the Trump situation and with the fall of Russia in the 80's. We need to disband the ABC and use Trump like strategies to allow debate at our Universities on Traditional Conservatism and its rationale. There are no absolute "goods" or "bads"- despite the Communist Trotskyist claims of the Labor Party hostage takers- astro-turfing within the Labor Party- but it is still important to have principles- they should be principles of the people and their values- not the principles of ideologues. It's incumbent on us to learn about the systems of government so that they reflect our values. Even though the Liberal Party is still "Classically Liberal" (Economic Freedom) it contains many more Conservatives than the Labor Party. This Liberal Party win is a small step in the correct direction for Australia but much more work needs to be done for the Australian people to understand the necessity of "Conservative Principles" for the future of Australia. If we don't create a "Traditional Conservative Australia" we don't conserve Australia.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 7:35:30 AM
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From Troy Bramston a labor ex staffer who knew both Shorten and Hawke:

"Labor must face up to the fact it has won a majority of seats at only one federal election since 1993. That election was Kevin Rudd’s victory in 2007. For the past 26 years, Labor has held a majority of seats in parliament for one term. At the next election, in 2022, this statistic will nudge 30 years. It is a dismal record.

Much was said about the death of Bob Hawke last week. In my tribute published in The Weekend Australian, I noted that while he wanted a Labor victory, he was concerned about Labor’s drift from the centre ground. Hawke never subscribed to class warfare or the politics of envy.

He was concerned Labor had reverted to a 70s tax-and-spend approach, did not understand the importance of aspiration or how markets could produce better economic and social outcomes than regulation and intervention. This assessment was startlingly prescient."
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 8:28:01 AM
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http://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/it-s-weird-bill-shorten-stuns-colleagues-as-he-lobbies-against-anthony-albanese-20190521-p51pni.html
Bill! leave bloke, you now by this action tell us voters got it right!
I got you wrong, warning, never ever let solidarity blind you, it did in my case
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 6:10:07 AM
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