Aidan,

You seem to know what you're talking about, but this one creaks:

"Shorten's NEG will address that, bringing prices down."

Surely that's a bit of a hopeful call? My understanding is that Shorten's plan to meet higher emission reduction targets relies heavily on carbon credits sourced from overseas.
Two aspects to this:
The credits will cost, with logical increased electricity and consumables costs passed directly on to consumers; and, such carbon credits are somewhat unreliable as to their efficacy - as some, or many, in the past, have proven to be spoofs.
As for other industry remediation, any improvements will cost, with the cost passed on.
Not that improvements shouldn't be made, but is this really a 'winning' formula for Oz, while other much greater emitters do almost nothing?

On another aspect, regarding electric vehicle aspirations, or other alternatives - including hydrogen.
Now we know hydrogen is explosive - or at least highly flammable (and with an intense flame not visible to the naked eye). So, that doesn't look like a good way to go.

However, I recall seeing many years ago an automotive design engineer (who I think worked for GMH), who had built a car which had an internal combustion engine fueled by hydrogen - which was produced onboard the vehicle itself from the hydrolysis of an onboard water supply. Emissions - water vapour. No carbon involved, and just a good battery required (and I expect, a nifty carburetor, and a great alternator).

What happened to this? Patent(s) bought up by the oil industry?

And, CO2 emissions used to grow oil-producing algae, or in greenhouse horticulture? Just a different kind of 'battery'?

Many options, so why should we stick to just one track?

Latest Election News;

A Liberal Party spokesman on RAPE OF WOMEN Mr Gurpal Singh the parties candidate for the Victorian seat of Scullin has resigned. According to SBS, Mr Singh reportedly dismissed a woman who detailed her experience of being raped by her husband. Mr Singh said in a Facebook post that he had "no sympathy" for the alleged victim and questioned why she had remained with her partner.

The post said the alleged rape victim had "skimmed her lover, husband and father of her two children for all these years. And now she alleges Rape". Mr Singh commented that the husband was the "real victim".

Looks like instead of heading to Canberra, good old Gurpal might be heading back to the Punjab. ITS GOODBYE GURPAL!

Paul saw it could gloat for hours about the number who had to leave tail between their legs
But on both sides
Well past time both sides of politics stopped their branches being full of people who in the end are not running anything
Poor candidates are a problem based on branch stacking and poor branches
Still good news, in place of some very very bitter stuff seen here as defeat seems sure
Labor this day tells us how it will fund its promises
And watch the awful stuff follow
Not sure why I got a warning, on posting a link, in the capitalism thread
Warned me this site is not an article site but a place for us to use our own words
Then let me post
Surely a mistake?
It all truth our views, our links, will not swing this election
Dumping Turnbull did that last year

Ex-politician, Neil Brown has come up with a truism in his weekly Spectator column this morning: “without a card to copy from, most voters would not know how to cast a valid vote if their life depended on it”.

Given the vacuous garbage being voiced here and in public in the lead up to the current election, there is doubt that most voters would be able to read the cards. And how many of the rabbits will know that certain candidates listed really shouldn't be on the card because they have dumped for something that they said years ago that might have upset those nice Muslims, homosexuals, gender-benders or abortionists.

It's all too much for the average voter, and it is quite cruel to actually force people to vote when they really don't know what it's all about

Another warning for Australians about to vote comes from David Flint, who thinks that the 2019 election is the most important since 2007, because we run the risk of being governed by “ … a cabal of thieves, thugs and constitutional vandals whose key project to constrain carbon dioxide emissions by 45 per cent will deliver …. a suicide note ….”.

He didn't mention that the leading vandal, the opposition leader, can't even cost his madcap scheme. But we all no that, don't we? Perhaps not, because there are still too many people who ignore the fact that our Chief Scientist advises that no economy-crushing action by Australia will make the slightest difference to the climate.

The rubes who ignore the Chief Scientist are the same ones who are always saying 'believe the science’; 'the science is in’. Deadly silence when our top scientists speaks honestly, though. And, ignore the fact that the UK has reduced its emissions to pre-Victorian levels with no effect whatsoever, while the politicians we are forced to the ballot box by remain the world's most fanatical devotees of discredited theories.

No wonder that they have to force people to vote in no-real-choice elections.

Flint, vainly no doubt, again points out that not even the scandalous IPPC makes the stupid - and completely untrue - claim that the climate hysterics make about 'increased extreme weather events” occurring because of climate change. Bawling Bill is still talking up this twaddle. And the government is letting him get away with it.

A shift to the right in the Senate is the only thing that will protect Australia from lunatics for the next three years - no matter which mob of lunatics is in government.

Here is Peter O'Brien's take on Bill Shorten, union official and pretender to the prime ministership:

“ Shifty, deceptive, cynical, self -serving and treacherous, as both Rudd and Gillard can attest”.