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Posted by Belly, Friday, 19 April 2019 4:02:46 PM
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Belly, what are you? three years old.
Just to put your mind at ease, as it appears you are concerned, otherwise you would not have mentioned it, but, I don't lose sleep over you or your petulant and childish announcements or comments. You see unlike you, not wanting to admit it, I 'am' bothered by someone who makes unfounded and unprovoked offensive and baseless comments about another person. But I respect ones right to say whatever they wish, and so too, my right of rebuttal. So by all means, you have my blessing to ignore me and my comments from now on. I prefer engaging with people of substance, and open minds, who think beyond the obvious, and who are prepared to consider all views, and not those demonstrated by yourself and your subjective and ideologue mates here on OLO. BTW, if your going to ignore me, don't post a response to me or my comments. Just a little suggestion that might get you back in the 'cred club', after shooting yourself in the foot. (again) Posted by ALTRAV, Friday, 19 April 2019 9:51:28 PM
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Belly said-
CM it remains my view you are an extremist Not terrorist just someone with extremist views Answer- I generally don't find it very useful to use the word extremist but feel free to use it if it pleases you. Be aware that you are playing the man rather than the argument- ad hominum- this is felt by some as a "fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem If you consider minority views as extreme then your accusation may be true. I'm unsure whether they are minority views- and even if they are do they serve the peoples interest or not. There are two points here based on the above. 1. Is the White Australia policy valid or invalid. 2. Is the White Australia policy viable. On point 1- the validity of a policy will be based on a number of beliefs these being valid or invalid based on some arbitrary standard. If enough people support a particular arbitrary standard then this can become a culture or a law. It is important to have standards- but I wouldn't say they are necessarily authoritative from a historical perspective. It's often useful to analyse the underlying reasons for policies in the context of their creation. On point 2- The viability of a policy will be based on political factors usual to the implementation of governmental policies. These can include finance, public support, legality (the laws can be changed), enforceability, institutional support, and others. Paraphrasing Ayn Rand- Atlas Shrugged- "by what standard do you pass judgement". "Their system relies on the consent of the condemned". Belly seems to be straddling the political divide at times- many think it wise to be moderate- the illness of do-gooders- perhaps he will come to an alternate conclusion- perhaps not. Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 20 April 2019 12:23:53 AM
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Posted by Belly, Friday, 19 April 2019 6:37:40 AM
Comment1- Too while storys like this morning SMH about two Muslims telling the court they had no right to charge them makes my blood boil I understand it is just two total idiots who SHOULD BE SENT HOME Answer1- At least Belly can see that the Muslims mentioned in the SMH article are inconsistent with the Australian context. Comment2- We however must understand we can live together Answer2- At some level all the peoples on the planet need to live together- however that still leaves wide scope for implementation. The leaders of France, Germany, and the UK have apparently admitted that multiculturalism is a failure. There appear to be many issues with multiculturalism that while not being strictly illegal do cause simmering conflict with the host population. Whilst these conflicts may not be seen as significant to some- some do find them unacceptable. Sometimes the best way of living together is to stay on your side of the fence- in the cultural context this means having strong borders. Comment3- Not them, but that is the case for every race or creed some are more trouble than they are worth Answer3- I would argue that some races or creeds are too incompatible to be worth the effort. But at least Belly seems to be acknowledging that certain people are unacceptable in Australia. Comment4- An unspoken truth exists, some one, UN ? is pushing this world towards one people one planet, and we do not have the power to stop them Answer4- At least Belly is seemingly able to acknowledge that there is a powerful elite movement towards "one people one planet" as he calls it and the national populations appear not to have the power to stop them. ie. the world is becoming more tyrannical. Some believe that one should not bow to thugs so when confronted with such it is their duty to fight no matter the odds. Maybe this is where Belly and others diverge. The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance Posted by Canem Malum, Saturday, 20 April 2019 12:44:45 AM
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CM as much as it will raise the ire of the fairies and dreamers on OLO, I am one such person you mention in the closing paragraphs of your last post.
I have always tried to explain that even though there are those out there who believe that if you say people are nice, they will automatically be nice, even though they have declared the opposite. I have lived among Muslims, in a Muslim country, and have no qualms or grief with them, until there is a conflict of interest or religion or social differences. As you point out, this multiculturalism is not working. I believe it has worked in the main, but there are always the exceptions to everything in life, and in this context it is the Muslims who have exposed themselves to scrutiny, as possibly never before. The gypsies are a problem in Europe, and have been for as long as memory serves, but they are not a threat to life and limb as is declared by the teachings of the Koran. The gypsies are merely a nuisance who simply conduct petty crimes, mainly stealing, pick-pocketing and so on. But they shy away from corporal crimes such as physical attacks and worse, unlike some races we are now seeing in Australia. The group I mentioned earlier and am reluctant to mention again, for fear of mass attacks of verbal excrement from the ideologues, are responsible for all the woes of the world for decades, and I cannot figure out what exactly they hope to gain, apart from what they have said, their goals are. To rule the world, but this would mean they would have to align themselves with the other despots also looking to world domination like China and Russia, just to name two. Ah well, I can't wait for the next installment from the kids in the OLO kindergarten to see where this post takes us next. Posted by ALTRAV, Saturday, 20 April 2019 2:09:21 AM
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CM NOT EASY telling how I feel about this, see while understanding not all from any faith are a threat
Some are, the same can be said about WASP It gets harder here, but as you said or was it that other poster? We have a right to our opinions Islam, like all faiths, is a useful tool to keep the kids quite [us] No God ever existed And just as our [or better maybe your God] empowered Catholics to molest children, some at least are pure evil [followers] It is my view some followers, not near all,of Muslim faith, are not fit to live with, these two bigoted men for a start Not nice my views but in the end faith in the thousands of Gods we created must surely ask if one of them did make us all he/she must have lost the plot to make so many imitators And let every one of them at some time, murder in his/her name Posted by Belly, Saturday, 20 April 2019 5:50:45 AM
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But I do know about that group, and question if it has nothing to hide why they do not open the doors to everyone
It remains my view a great deal of behind the scenes things are going on
And that we have no control over them
Including however a true conspiracy by the very right, to blacken any other form of government
While I understand everyone has a right to their views I have given enough opportunity to some and will avoid contact