There are people in society that benefit from growth and there are people that are harmed by growth- we need to talk to those that are harmed by growth. Fear of self harm will get people to act to reduce harm to themselves and hopefully also to the world.

Liberalism cannot work in the current world- we just do not have enough resources for everyone to live like the western world does. There is just not enough land, fresh water, energy.

It doesn't necessarily follow however that the western world is to blame- but that is another conversation.

Anyway hopefully this goes some way to answering your question David F. I may have some more on your primogeniture comments later- I have acknowledged that there are some issues with that system- but it is only by critically investigating different solutions that we can find ones that work for our communities.

I'm happy that you have been able to spend some time with your family over Easter- this simple thing has become somewhat of a luxury in the contemporary world.

There is nothing like family- especially your own- it's the basis of the community

I am currently compiling a reply to Belly's latest post but in respect to those on OLO I want to be sure it's well constructed and not off-track.

I am happy to see that nearly all of us agree: the root problem is overpopulation, whereas nationalism and globalism are only its symptoms. We have differences over which of the two is more tolerable than the other as well as technical differences as to how to achieve a reduction in population, yet we do have a rare agreement here on OLO - hurray!

yuyutsu yes well done, but another issue arises
Did you say you are Buddhist? in any case my contributions to another thread, targeting all Muslims,brought to my mind that faith
Whilea is the truth for any group, a few extremist exist in that faith I do not believe ever, terrorist acts would come from that faith
Yes population,it is already too big, we rush to a dreadful day humanity will not be able to grow enough food supply enough water and it should be humanity's next issue to resolve

Dear Belly,

Almost there, I follow the Hindu religion. And yes, extremists can be found everywhere, including violent ones who fail to understand that violence only distances them from God.

Regarding your concern about food and water, I think that materially, with science and technology even more humans can be squeezed on this planet. What concerns me most, rather, are the social and moral repercussions of this squeeze and the technology that is needed to support it - the quality of life rather than the material standard of living.

the quality of life rather than the material standard of living.
Yuyutsu,
I go along with that ! Of course we could fit another few billion humans but then we'd have to forfeit human rights !