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Normally I support the right to protest
But who are this mob targeting and why
Meat eaters for sure, farmers too
But how can they justifie telling so many of us what to eat
Why the constant obstruction of people in their workplaces or on farms
Whatever do they think they can achieve
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 3:17:23 PM
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'Whatever do they think they can achieve'
I suspect the support of the lying liberal media is their goal.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 4:04:02 PM
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Runner your extreme view is becoming boring
How Many vegans are there, are their rights more than the farmers they intimidate
Are those unable to get to work on time not to be considered
We eat meat, its gave us the protein we needed to develop after we came out of the cave
Quaint that runner, who without doubt considers me part of that group he hates, has not noted I bought the subject up
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 4:33:30 PM
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Belly

Your intolerance is boring. This is online 'opinion' you know. Grow up.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 5:37:49 PM
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Let's clarify:

* . we shouldn't eat meat, or any animal products; so much less pastoralism;

* . we shouldn't allow irrigation for crops or food products, and certainly not for cotton or sugar;

* . we shouldn't allow timber-cutting or scrub-clearing;

* . we shouldn't allow mining;

* . we shouldn't allow commercial fishing;

* we shouldn't use oil, gas or coal products; or, of course, any metal products.

Perhaps, like John Lennon (at least in his song 'Imagine', if not in real life), we should share all the world that's then available - maybe, with the above conditions, there somehow may be no need for greed or hunger. Or any implements, tools, artifacts bits and pieces, made of any sort of metal.

Oh, and one last thing:

* . none of us should be working in any of the above fields.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 6:21:17 PM
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These protesters have obviously more time & money than normal working people. Time to cut the financial support to them !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 6:54:33 PM
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I'm sure that most people who eat meat and dairy products and eggs will continue to do so. If protesters knew that they would be met by high pressure water hoses and gas whenever they interfered with people going about their legitimate business they might think twice about acting so arrogantly. There is no such thing as a 'peaceful' protest.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 7:14:02 PM
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I read somewhere that they were having a peaceful protest. I had no idea that disrupting traffic was peaceful especially to those trying to get to work whilst the protesters are just having another bludge ?
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 9:01:48 PM
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Speaking of Vegans...
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/royals/meghans-latest-clash-with-the-queen-raising-her-baby-vegan/news-story/386ca132d37dca54463116bbd9ea7b12

“ … Bringing the baby up as a vegan simply won’t be tolerated by the monarch.”

Wow, what great standards of leadership we have these days...
QE2 lets England be taken over by the EU; allows the country to be overrun with Pakistanis, Muslims and Africans...
Queens main concern regarding Englands current peril:
- Great Grand Bubba's diet.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 9:23:17 PM
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It took police two hours to clear these creeps out, and NOT ONE CHARGE HAS BEEN LAID.
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 10:53:34 PM
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Social media, and for that matter print media, is full of its wrong but they are right storeys
How are they right
If, and it never ever is going to happen, we stoped eating animal protein we would starve in the millions
To what end? some one is sure to prove lettuce suffer when harvested
Cabbages may cry, do we then die so we harm nothing
Back to the protesters, they seem aggressive, self assured, convinced they are totally right the rest of us wrong
Even those mentioned from the media seem unaware we will continue to want our sausage at Bunnings on Saturday , it has become our national meal
And the Democracy sausage on election day, even if for some it will be hard to swallow
Cucumber sanger anyone?
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 6:09:02 AM
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Hey Belly,

- You see what I mean about people being tribal and there's no centre where there's no compromise?

I support meat.
They oppose meat.

Is there any compromise or middle ground here?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 8:12:39 AM
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The fan will be hit when one of these clowns is killed.
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 8:20:03 AM
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I reckon INDIVIDUAL is right on the mark. I bet many of these demonstrators receive Social Security Benefits of some kind, therefore most should be out seeking paid work, instead of disrupting commerce and the orderly flow of traffic in Sydney & Melbourne. I heard they completely dislocated peak-hour traffic, outside Flinders Street Station, down in Melbourne. Making many a worker late for work and possibly docked monetarily for being so. Talk about being selfish, these people.

Back in the day, they had the Public Order Act (C.Wealth), {'three or more persons, gathered for a common purpose'} which empowered authorities to take direct action against those who would seek to cause trouble. Unfortunately, there were many of those in the judiciary who treated the matter with some degree of hilarity, cutting many of these disruptive people loose. Whereupon they'd merely go back out and repeat their offending behaviour, thus undermining all efforts of the police.

The only way to deal with them is to lock the ringleaders up, deny them bail, and hold them in custody until all demonstrations cease, or merely fizzle out.
Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 10:35:13 AM
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Where do you find a new Joh Bjelke-Petersen when you desperately need one?
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 11:18:54 AM
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Hasbeen hopefully in prison, the place the first one should have died in
O sung Wo well many are middle income just as is the case with the greens
It seems income has very little to do with very bad manners
Truly what if we gave up meat, milk, eggs, animal products?
Lard heads come in all shapes and sizes my question is are the rights to protest bigger than a farmers right to not have his property invaded
think not
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 12:32:15 PM
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I agree with you BELLY. No one has the right to dislocate the privacy, or to trespass upon the lawful activities of another. Neither are they empowered to take matters into their own hands in a case where those activities are unlawful. That's the role of the police.

Whether they choose to consume meat products, is a personal choice for them alone, and not something the vegans have any right to attempt to obstruct. Food choices are just that; a personal choice. And nobody else's damn business.

Any attempt to harass, threaten, intimidate, menace, bully or pressurize any primary producer, should be met with the full force of the law. After all hasn't life been hard enough for these people, battling the Banks, droughts and now floods in part, without putting up with these dimwitted Vegan demonstrators!

Take 'em on, and charge them - there are sufficient legislative options available, for the police to act! Not in Victoria, I will admit, they don't field a Police Force down there. Their Socialist Labour Government under the bespectacled Mr. Danial ANDREWS is 'everything' from what I gather?
Posted by o sung wu, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 1:35:08 PM
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o sung wo yes agree
two hours ago the government announced it would legislate for 12 month prison terms for farm invaders
Agree pleased to see it
See not every thing one side does is wrong
Without animal products indeed half of humanity would starve to death
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 4:58:44 PM
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How about the normal, meat and dairy eating majority demonstrates against and harasses these vegans? Our society is extremely tolerant toward minorities and nutters. Fat lot of thanks we get for it.
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 7:44:38 PM
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No Belly we have to keep some cells free for kiddy fiddling Labor leaders.

Old Joh would sort these out these clowns, as he did with the electricians , probably the reason you hate him as much as you hate Trump
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 9:20:49 PM
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I'm puzzled about a couple of things:

* . tofu - it's made from soya beans, which is grown, like other crops, using irrigation; down with tofu;

* . If a future vegan dictator banned meat, hw many pigs, cows and sheep would there need to be in Australia ? Pigs of course, we need to make silk purses from their ears; some cows, if milk is till allowed and if dairy farmers are allowed to use irrigation; and baby sheep, those cute little baa-lambs. No, maybe not even cute little baa-lambs. So no animals then ?

So maybe we will have to live on natural-grown vegetable matter. But that will support far fewer Australians, so most of us will have to submit to being dropped into the giant Saddam-type mincing machines - in the national interest.

Hmmm, who might they be ? Obviously, anybody over, say, fifty five - and of course all those between forty five and fifty five should have their voting rights withdrawn. Anybody who has expressed 'hate speech', i.e. an opinion at variance with those of vegans and their uncritical allies. Bogans maybe. People in affluent electorates who don't vote Green.

Ain't Utopias great to plan ?

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Wednesday, 10 April 2019 9:34:33 PM
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Hasbeen leave it alone old mate
Sadly your post puts on display a bitter old fella willing to use almost anything
Not the truth, to insult the party that gets the highest primary vote in this country
EG the one most want to lead us
You will, no do not go away, the pro Pell thread
The one that put his conservative views above that of CHILDREN badly treated
You know, oh yes you do! any pedophil is a grub, that I have demanded a few in my party who have been such filth be treated as such
YOU Hasbeen put on display, just why this worn out twisted weak thing we call federal government, must be put on the other side of the house, lies will not change that
Your low shot, and low and weak it is, says more about you than you would wish
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 11 April 2019 6:50:44 AM
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These malnourished Fwits should be treated as eco terrorists both physically and legally.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 11 April 2019 8:05:15 AM
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"These malnourished Fwits should be treated as eco terrorists both physically and legally".

They are most certainly bullies, wanting to force their peculiarities onto the majority. As usual, the government doesn't have the guts to pull them into line. Our weak Prime Minister says that, if farmers, shop keepers etc decide to take civil action against these thugs, the government will support them. Pathetic! There are laws that could support them, seeing these vegan thugs in jail, eating prison grub.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 11 April 2019 10:25:12 AM
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Morrison has belatedly admitted that he could do something.

Vegan protesters who target farmers’ homes could face a year in jail under new laws, if the Coalition is re-elected.

He promised to introduce laws banning people from inciting criminal activity against farmers, with jail terms up to 12 months.

Unfortunately, he seems to have left it too late if he is expecting to be re-elected.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 11 April 2019 11:18:34 AM
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Dear Belly,

The protesters had not discussed their plans with
police and they put community safety at risk with
people being unable to access vital services.

There are 5 major trauma hospitals in the CBD.
Ambulances need to be rerouted because of these
intersections being closed.

Police have ended up charging 39 people after
their illegal protest shut down one of Melbourne's
busiest inter-sections during peak hour disrupting tram
routes and forcing ambulances to be rerouted.

Inexcusable behaviour!
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 11 April 2019 11:28:35 AM
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Dearest Foxy,

Please be careful, that can be interpreted as 'hate speech', since, after all, you seem to be disagreeing with the protesters.

Perhaps, after all, there is instead a legitimate place for ridicule and derision ?

Bill Leak would have had a great time with this sort of stupidity.

Love,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 11 April 2019 12:17:29 PM
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Foxy yes, amused to find posters think how much they eat, or that they are all dole bludgers,makes them behave like this
A truth,vegans have every right to be vegans
And B%gge all chance of forcening the rest of us to become one
Secondly until they convince me my Tomatoes do not scream when I eat them I will continue to eat what I want to
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 11 April 2019 1:18:27 PM
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Hi Belly,

Yes, vegans have the right to be vegans. Homosexuals have the right to be homosexual. Religious people have the right to their beliefs, as long as their practices don't conflict with Australian law, as Foxy rightly points out. People have the right to be Left, and the right to be Right. In fact, we all also have the right to be bigots, bearing in mind that what is to one person, simple and self-evident truth, to another person can be bigotry. I suppose the cast-iron definition of a bigot is someone who disagrees with me.

But none of them have the right to force their views on anybody else, not even on the people who support the same ideas as I do.

Surely one mark of a democratic society is that we expect, and tolerate, different viewpoints ? And that people with different viewpoints can argue their case civilly, having enough empathy with those who disagree to try to understand where they're coming from ?

Perhaps they should be teaching that at universities ? Certainly one learns that at the University of Hard Knocks which both of us attended for many years :)

Cheers,

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Thursday, 11 April 2019 1:39:37 PM
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These protesters should have done things correctly
according to the law. They should have contacted the
police. They should have held their protest in an
are that did not disrupt things - or do potential
harm to other people - like putting community
safety at risk, people unable to access vital services,
ambulances being rerouted, people and students late for
work/lectures, causing traffic conjection and so on.

They certainly had the right to protest, but not at the
expense of everybody else.

Not planned properly.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 11 April 2019 1:49:18 PM
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Well folks the web sight first made me aware they use terrorist tactics
In fact promote them
Farmers do not need these fools invading their farms
Few know chicken farms are under lock down, to protect from infections
Yes they have rights as do I and they are in my view, well out of line
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 11 April 2019 4:11:41 PM
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Dear Joe,

«Yes, vegans have the right to be vegans. Homosexuals have the right to be homosexual.»

This is not good enough!

Why do people want rights? To have a right means that someone else did you the favour of allowing you to do what you do, that you live how live only by their generosity and grace.

Rather, the correct approach is that vegans should never be denied their natural freedom to be vegan and homosexuals should never be denied their natural freedom to be homosexual. How dare anybody even conceive of such a sick idea as if they may interfere with other people's lifestyle?

«Religious people have the right to their beliefs, as long as their practices don't conflict with Australian law, as Foxy rightly points out.»

Yes, I told Foxy many times that this statement amounts to a disgraceful wholesale denial of freedom of religion. She never seemed to understand what I said though. The "practices don't conflict with Australian law" clause means no religious freedom at all, because the Australian law-makers can legislate whatever they like. Nothing stops them from banning each and every religious practice at their pleasure. Oh, should I thank them for still "allowing" me to believe what I want (so long as I do not act on it)?

---

As for this thread, as a vegetarian I am ashamed and disgusted by the violence of vegans. I see being a vegetarian or a vegan as a privilege and blessing. Those who eat meat are missing out as they are not yet spiritually mature enough to abstain from this particular form of violence. It is, however, their loss alone and none of my own business. What do these foolish vegans gain by replacing one form of violence by another?
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 11 April 2019 5:22:12 PM
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Yuyutsu just [finally] beginning to understand you, yes it is not the fact they are vegans that stirred me to start this thread
While never a chance of being a vegan, I did try to be a vegetarian
Almost made it
And believe it or not a lay Preacher helped me
It however is wrong to act in the way they have
No doubt not all but too many
As is always the case extremists seem to have infiltrated what should be a group concerned about their own diet not trying to head butt a brick wall
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 11 April 2019 6:19:28 PM
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I care more about the meat on my plate than I do those vegans...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 12 April 2019 1:14:57 PM
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AC like any group, if they had the power it would not be meat on your plate
Roast spuds with lettuce? carrot pie with beans?
My snags with eggs are on the way, no vergys this time
How would we live without any animal products?
Truly how many would die, all over the world
Posted by Belly, Friday, 12 April 2019 4:35:34 PM
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Hi AC,

I wonder what a vegan would taste like ? Perhaps deficient in protein, and of course in carbohydrates (since carbon is a poison), but all that tofu and kale and avocado and foreign-sounding stuff like chia and quenoa and acie or whatever - surely that must add something weird to the taste. They might be a bit bony, like chicken legs, but one might go down well with a strong Shiraz.

Or vegan carbonara ? Or vegan and potato pie ? No, a bit bland. Vegan vindaloo - now you're talking !

Mmmmmm, let me at one of those vegans !

Joe

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Friday, 12 April 2019 5:12:12 PM
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Millions in India live on a strictly vegetarian diet and they are OK, it's the chillies and spices that make the difference!!

I was once forced by circumstances, (there was no meat available), as I was among vegetarians and had, perforce, to adopt a vegetarian diet and I started to put on weight.
These days I eat little meat, usually only old chooks, rabbits, hares and a bit of venison and then only about once a week.

For lunch today I had thinly sliced cucumber, shredded carrot, tomato, slightly sour plumbs (beaut with sufficient salt) and cheese.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 12 April 2019 9:19:37 PM
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Is Mise I am overweight, always have been, but your diet today brings back memories of failure
Lost 18 kg in 6 weeks, no meat fish once a week, two meals a day fruit only
Settle for the joy of a good steak or today a Bunnings sausage for sure
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 13 April 2019 6:24:37 AM
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Belly,

I haven't tried a sausage at Bunnings but I did once buy some sausages from Bi-Lo (now Coles), they were terrible so gave the rest to the dog.

He sniffed them and then looked at us with disgust and walked off.

Truly, I've never seen such disdain in a dog's expression!!
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 13 April 2019 7:58:32 AM
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I'm planning our Easter Sunday Lunch for our
family. I want to do a Pork Loin Roast with
all the trimmings. The kids want a barbeque -
so we're still negotiating. Maybe we'll do both.
I love pork and beef snags - available from our
butcher and Coles have very delicious "Pork
and Cider" sausages - that I can highly recommend.

No, I couldn't be entirely a vegan. Not yet anyway.
Although the family loves my Russian salad, my potato
pudding (Kugelis), potato pancakes, Red Cabbage,
Semolina pudding, my various fish dishes.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 13 April 2019 10:56:18 AM
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I wonder if vegans are aware that, without meat in Australian diets, there would be no animals. No little piggies, no moo-cows, no baa-lambs, no chooks. And only wild goats and camels and donkeys and horses. Domesticated animals would become nearly extinct in Australia. Millions and millions of animals would no longer need to exist or reproduce.

Only if we keep eating meat can they survive. Yes, they would have short lives, but most animals would reflect on the juxtaposition and say, "Well, that would be better than no life at all, all things considered."

Apart from the farmers who would keep some of their animals as pets, and a few eccentrics who might like to breed rabbits to shoot, or jervils to power their air-conditioning.

Hmmmmm, we might have to re-visit that vegan diet again ......... Vegans in hot sauce; vegan sausages; vegan and potato pie.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Saturday, 13 April 2019 11:39:44 AM
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From every side of politics we seem to, for the most part, agree
It is not ok to run a website naming, giving full addresses,off farmers so you can invade their property
Not shutting down, insulting those who protest for far more important things, and stop people's movement
And at the heart of that matter a clear minority, want the rest of us to stop eating what we wish
This thread reminds there indeed is a center a place both sides of politics live, on many issues
Not turning red neck but a past copper Bumper Farrell would have stopped this mob in about a week
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 13 April 2019 12:16:54 PM
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is mise in truth Bunnings snags can be dreadful, grumpy old bugger sold me a by low snag on one slice of bread no butter full price
Understand his group lost the right to fund raise after snags thrown away by some
BUT yes snags have suffered from the high price of meat
Rectub, hope he is ok, would know if you want a snag go to your butcher
Our fundraisers know the best butchers and he sometimes even donates them
PS that old bloke,he truly made life hell even for fellow fund raisers on his stand, shoot me if I get that bad,please
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 13 April 2019 3:45:26 PM
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It won't be long before they offer Soylent Green biscuits !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 9:25:38 AM
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individual,

Now that was a film!!
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 10:11:58 AM
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Need to taste good to win me over indy
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 12:37:13 PM
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Belly,
Insidious agenda is never sweet !
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 1:15:59 PM
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On this subject, I am a vegetarian and have not eaten meat for the last year, I still have milk and eggs sometimes. I feel much better, and my fitness has improved heaps, I train at the gym three times a week, and train for rugby sevens one night and play one night, it makes me fit. Dose everyone here eat meat?
Posted by Wahine, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 3:15:06 PM
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Hi Wahine

I eat meat/chicken about 4 nights per week in various forms. I think most people are happy for those who choose not to eat meat. The objection is when we are sold lies by warmist about cow farts and activist who destroy people's business's. The activist rarely have any compassion for unborn babies while defending cock roaches. No doubt it depends what study you go to that will prove eating meat is good/bad for ones health. I am convinced that to much meat is not good. Its a matter of balance when it comes to eating. We all know the 90 year old smoker/drinker who defies every bit of logic and the ultra fit vegetarians who have died of heart attacks at early age.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 3:25:31 PM
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Wahine,

I not only eat meat, but I also shoot the animals that I eat, mostly rabbits and hares.
Venison I get from my mates who have their freezers full. I particularly like it corned.
The chooks just get the axe (literally) when they stop producing eggs. I mainly eat salads though, keeps the weight off.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 3:37:03 PM
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Wahine a lot older I have tried vegetarian life, did not work for me
Am however one of runners warmists so meat is good for the brain that much is clear
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 3:45:14 PM
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I had a friend and neighbor who was vegan but she was no trouble to have at a dinner party as she said just leave the meat off my plate. Easy done. She had whatever veges we had.

Myself I have meat once per day, everyday. Or seafood. It is not a proper meal unless it has meat, just a snack or filler until dinner time. Nothing better than a good stew/casserole or a roast with gravy.

Vegans have a right to eat what they want and so do I. But I would not dream of forcing someone else to comply with what I want. Ridiculous that we have to resort to special laws to protect farmers. Strong action needed to put them in their place.
Posted by HenryL, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 4:41:46 PM
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You need food for the brain as well as the body. Does anyone know of any vegans that have made positive contributions to society ?
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 6:27:41 PM
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Wasn't Jesus a vegan?

I can't imagine Him eating animals.

Can you?

However to add to this, I believe that Albert Einstein,
Leonardo da Vinci, Mahatma Gandhi, Thomas Edison,
Paul McCartney, were all vegans. Just to name a few.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 16 April 2019 7:17:24 PM
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Foxy,

Jesus distributed loaves and fishes. Not very vegan.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 22 April 2019 5:57:29 AM
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So funny, indy thinks vegans are idiots?
Well partly right indy the violent terrorists invadeing farms are
Still we have seen politicians take offence too and even promise prison for the worst of them well done!
Posted by Belly, Monday, 22 April 2019 7:20:22 AM
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