Oh Turnbull was his real self Belly, a sneaky lying lefty, prepared to say anything to buy a few votes, then follow his chosen lefty path as sneakily as possible.

He was the equal of Shorten in that regard, just kept a little less left because he knew his party would not stand too much stupidity.

Pity the Labor lot don't gave anyone sensible like Hawke & Keating today, able to bring useful policy forward into legislation.

Hasbeen mate I see you as part of the problem confronting the LNP
Well aware Shorten is not popular, not however why
Maybe the mud stuck, that false charge about funding by a firm
See you are not supposed to hear this, but firms, big and small, hunted the AWU
They wanted an AWU agreement, not ever a CFMEU one
They, from family micro to huge internationals, huntered me too
No crime was committed,in those days EMPLOYERS saw in Bill a future PRIME MINISTER not a standover man, they wanted to be part of that
Hasbeen if only, if you could only see, that center exists, it will never ever say yes to a purely left or purely right governing party
Your party, after it loss, will fight to again be that big tent party it must be to govern
Just as mine has

AWU Australia's Weakest Union, the CFMEU and another leftist mob now part of them bought that name up
Because, true, bosses weary of midnight black balaclava wearing THUGS invading even homes made the AWU great
Not sure what the relationship is like now, but the delegates from the thugs and mugs union mostly became mine, see workers are not radicals

Hey Belly,

"Good news AC! my vote cancels your vote".

Well we make a pretty pointless pair then.
One step forward, and one step back, doing the democracy shuffle.
(That's me taking the step forward and you dragging us back btw)

"And that uniformed tripe about no center is either a desperate attempt at ignoring the truth of a failure to understand politics".

Truth, ethics and arguments that hold merit mate:

It doesn't matter if you jump up and down and throw stuff all around the room;
Or if you put you fingers in your ears and loudly say "Lalalalala not listening..."
- None of that will change the truth -

And the truth is; there is no centre where no middle ground or compromise exists.

I don't care if you beat your fists down on your table saying "Damn that AC he can't be right!"

Sorry mate, but the truth is the truth.

Here's another aspect.

- Bipartisan issues. -

What if Labor supports US wars and LNP supports US wars?
How do the people vote for NOT getting involved in wars?
Answer = They can't, they have no-one to represent them except to go out into the streets and protest.

There's no middle ground. No compromise. No democracy.

"May I? you know it is my view only the ALP is fit to govern"
Of course you can say whatever you like;
It's your right to.

I may not support what you say but I'll always support your right to say it.
You can make fun of me or humiliate me too if I slip up and deserve to be told off, or even if it just helps you get your point across.
I don't care what you say or how you say it, but your argument should hold merit or you risk being called out on it.

Just because a centre faction exists in the parties doesn't mean it exists for all issues in the real world.

- Checkmate -

AC right now a truth I can not hide from, has me by the throat
See I do not mindlessly support my party
I have opinions, and while understanding it would help my image if you never heard them truth matters
My sugar bag joke, the one about the joke who lead NSW Labor to defeat, it sees me blacklisted
Yet it is a view shared, by hundreds of yes, thousands of my fellow voters in this state
We have an illness, it maybe fatal, it is named solidarity
IT DEMANDS *group speak, group do as you are told think*
Never find me under that filthy rug
Like the LNP we have our very own *REFUGEE PROBLEM * see both sides can not fill meetings, people are refugees from them
IF new members come, they never return
We bore them we shout this is how we do it,and we are not changing!
So my friend insult? if you wish,but know my thoughts are not set in stone
Every party in this country should start every meeting with these words
*tell me/us what you really think, not what you think we/I want to hear*

A postscript, it is my view I think much like those we need to win elections that in rejecting me the very people we must tell our story to are too rejected