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I think we are overlooking something, while the scare campaign has failed
First no one will be marched in to car sales yards and forced to buy an EV
But how will future governments taxus,29 billion dollars, that is how much tax petroleum products bring in
As we will, without doubt, move on the EVs will maturity win? will EVs be allowed to be cheaper? will another way of taxing us be found
We live in interesting times
Posted by Belly, Friday, 12 April 2019 6:10:34 AM
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"APRIL 11 2019 - 10:30PM
NSW Taxi Council floats possibility of electric Bathurst taxis"

http://www.westernadvocate.com.au/story/6023061/nsw-taxi-council-floats-possibility-of-electric-bathurst-taxis/?cs=115

Now, here's where EVs would shine, and charging between trips would be no problem.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 12 April 2019 7:41:45 AM
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Agree buses already and some trucks do so
It is unwise to measure support for new technology by today's standards
That too will develop as the market does
Posted by Belly, Friday, 12 April 2019 12:24:53 PM
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http://www.tesla.com/en_AU/supercharger

"Plug in for about 30 minutes and grab a cup of coffee or a quick bite to eat while you charge"

Not even a Tesla Supercharger claims a 100% charge in 8-10 mins, let alone a home charge system.

Nothing wrong with EV's, but on the facts there is no basis for subsidizing them or putting taxes/impediments in front of those who want/need ICE's, which will surely come. I repeat my previous link highlighting little carbon abatement will come from greater EV penetration,
http://contrarian.live/2019/04/11/swedish-study-on-ev-co2-footprint-will-surprise/?fbclid=IwAR05D6lpyFUJgw70Z8JaT4Ln6XQG3uwZW6z7YGL2qJ1rr1ujNjoSMNpGXpk
Posted by Luciferase, Friday, 12 April 2019 12:29:23 PM
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Luciferase, electric cars are not about co2 abatement but about cheaper
motoring and a more usable driving system.
It will take some years for the capital costs to fall, about 2025 is
the prediction.
The Nissan Leaf has been awarded the cheapest car to run in the market.
Not as cheap as my mates, zero dollars in six or 7 years.

Most of the waffle is about time to charge.
What must be understood is that because you can charge at home and
that is what the vast majority will do it changes everything.
When you need to get more range, for example you are more KM from home
than your dashboard tells you have in the battery you go to a public charger.
Isn't that what you do with a petrol car ?
You do not set the charger to charge the battery to full charge but
enough to get you home. Two reasons for this, less time on the charger
perhaps five minutes instead of 40 minutes and cheaper.
Also less time on fast charger better for battery life.
When you get home you then plug in your home charger.

It is a new way to manage your car. It will take some getting used to.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 12 April 2019 1:29:25 PM
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No argument about running cost, Bazz, and fuel diversity is worthwhile too from a national security standpoint.

However, given the info from the Swedish study, why a subsidy what won't work much towards reducing world emissions through EV usage, and especially where the main electricity source is fossil-fueled? Even in Norway (hydro) the break-even emissions point for EV's is up towards 100K kilometres (see the link).

Admittedly, because batteries are manufactured overseas, Oz is not responsible for their manufacturing carbon footprint but why encourage EVs with public money when much more abatement overall can be achieved by investing the same public money more effectively?

Carbon abatement policies on all sides in Parliament is run on ideology, not facts. Australia is so screwed.
Posted by Luciferase, Friday, 12 April 2019 2:13:01 PM
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