Dear mhaze,

Oh for cry out loud.

Look mate, I had drafted a reply to your first post here which raised a couple of questions that deserved a measured response but everything since has been idiotic.

You claim; "People like you and SR have simply decided what Tarrant's motives are and linked him with your political foes.”

No, you like I, have read his 'manifesto' there are a hundred things we could pull out of it to support one bandwagon or another but there is one thing he made abundantly clear, his primary motivation was the birthrate of the invaders compared to the birthrate of white Europeans.

Hell he even repeated the same line three times as the three starting sentences of the bloody think;

“Introduction

It’s the birthrates.
It’s the birthrates.
It’s the birthrates.

If there is one thing I want you to remember from these writings, its that the birthrates must change. Even if we were to deport all Non-Europeans from our lands tomorrow, the European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death. Every day we become fewer in number, we grow older,we grow weaker. In the end we must return to replacement fertility levels, or it will kill us.”

This is exactly the same trope that Bazz and many others on this forum have repeatedly used to incite fear and loathing.

This was Gobell's and Hitler's and Mussolini's message too.

“The Battle for Births began in 1927: Mussolini introduced a number of measures to encourage reproduction, with an objective of increasing the population from 40 million to 60 million by 1950. Loans were offered to married couples, with part of the loan cancelled for each new child, and any married man who had more than six children was made exempt from taxation. Mussolini, who had developed a cult of personality, argued that the Italian people had a duty to himself to produce as many children as possible”
Wikipedia

We have had small echoes of it here with 'one for mum, one for dad, and one for the nation'.

Cont..

Cont..

To label this as anything but coming from the right is just wilful misdirection.

Now I am happy to further discuss the rightwing nutjob because like you I think it is important to examine his motives. My hope is that it might cause some on this forum to reassess their rhetoric and fearmongering and to recognise that words do have an impact.

I have been wondering if the killer was ever a contributor to this forum though he seems to have preferred the Chan boards.

As for me picking on the gun fetishers as well I will leave you with this. I can't speak to its veracity or the truthfullness and there is a language warning but it may well be another part of the puzzle.
http://www.facebook.com/memmbachewbaccha/videos/1887326531378466/

"In the defence of its imperial interests
it has precipitated two world wars"

In another thread I mentioned the lack of historic understanding and the anxiety to not know history that fails to support preconceived viewpoints.

Britain precipitated two world wars? When reading this view, you can just stop there. Its the most insane and inane assertion I've seen for some time and reflects someone whose hatred of the British overwhelms clear thinking and rational historic understanding. No need to examine the other claims, but if you do you see unsupported assertion based on unsupported assertion.

Dear Foxy,

Just letting you know I did attend a mosque today in a big regional town near us. It was the first religious building I had attended in quite a while outside a marriage or a funeral.

It was an open day with a memorial to those who had lost their lives in NZ but it turned out to be much more than that. There were religious leader from pretty well all the major faiths there as well as both state and federal politicians.

Unfortunately but understandably there was also an evident police presence both inside and out.

But the people there were incredibly welcoming and grateful. Food was passed around and when women were entering the mosque many asked if they needed to wear a headscarf and the answer was always for them to do whatever they were comfortable with.

There were strong messages of solidarity and I was pretty proud of those Australians who took the time to attend. We really do step up on occasions like this. Restored the faith a little.

There was a brief moment which showed some of the fear and tension that must have been under the surface. Some Kiwis showed up and did an impromptu Haka outside near the door I was beside. The first blood curdling yell had some of those next to me sitting bolt upright with fear on their faces. The relief was palpable once they realised what it was resulting in some nervous giggling.

It is only a small gesture but I was glad to have attended.

So SR, you fully intend to ignore those parts of Tarrant's thinking as reflected in his manifesto which covers things that you might agree with?

If you assume that his views on Mohomedians accurately reflect those of others who are anti-Mohomedian then it must take quite an gymnastic effort to assume his views on climate change and the environment don't accurately reflect those of others who are climate/environment/population fetishists.

An effort you seemed to have mastered.

Again, my view is that his views and his actions don't reflect on or discredit the views of others who aren't advocating violence.

And that those who want to link his views with their political enemies are merely misusing the massacre to try to shut down their political opponents

Dear mhaze,

What?

The word he uses 57 times is “invaders”, not climate change or the environment or whatever other ism you want to deflect this to.

Sure he claims ”I am an Ethno-nationalist Eco-fascist.” but he clearly disassociates himself from the left;

“For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist movement to serve their own needs. The left has controlled all discussion regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true solution to either issue.”

This is pretty disingenuous from you mate. At the memorial today one of the pollies claim “He was not an Australian”. Her reasoning? Because we are supposedly a tolerant people.

Of course he is an Australian and we are going to have to live with that and face up to what it means. He is also a rightwinger and that extra burden falls to your side of politics. It is up to you lot to step up a bit further than the rest of us and confront that fact rather than shirking it.