In a day of horrific violence, at least 40 people are dead after far right terrorists attacked two mosques in Christchurch New Zealand. Australian prime minister Scott Morrison said one of the suspects was an Australian-born citizen and called it a “rightwing extremist attack”. This is disgusting in the extreme, with many questions to be answered both in New Zealand and in Australia as to what security precautions are taken in both countries regarding far right extremism.

Heartbreaking Paul mass murder and evil act from an evil man
Fed on blind hate and too lies, fostered by sections of social media,
You can see pure lies on facebook, host to haters, lies that we must see are every bit as evil as Islamic lies
My heart breaks for NZ it too breaks knowing the haters fuel this,in some cases Christian haters
Thanks for the chance to say how sorry most of us are this took place

Given the cowardly incompetence of Western leaders to act decisively and without fear against Muslim terror, and their irrational insistence in bringing dangerous people into our midst as part of mindless mass immigration, this act was inevitable.

It is noted that the media and the usual apologists for Islamic terror are not describing the offender as a ‘lone wolf’ with a ‘mental problem’, as they do with Muslims; no, they immediate bawled ‘terrorist’, which is probably the right description unless proved otherwise in the future, but the hypocrisy is chilling. And all the knee-jerking started before it was revealed that the perpetrator of the act of terror had selected insignificant, complacent and sanctimonious New Zealand to show how people could be reached anywhere in the world.

History tells us that when politicians oppress, ignore or treat with contempt the people they are supposed to be serving, violence is not far away. I am surprised that it has taken as long as it has. It will occur again, now that the example has been set, and it might keep on occurring until our politicians start acting, or until they are replaced by different politicians.

There have been the usual neanderthal gruntings about ‘white supremacy’ and ‘racism’. Even if the Australian terrorist is a white supremacist and racist, that is irrelevant to his attack on Muslims - Islam is not about race or colour.

One clown from the Guardian screeched how the attack is the result of ‘Islamophobia’. This person is just another scribbler among millions, but I’d put money on his never having said anything about ‘Christophobia’, or Islamic hatred of all ‘infidels’ after each of the many Muslim terrorist atrocities.

Dear Paul1405,

As I put in another thread;

Incredibly sad news.

Along with the deep sorrow I feel for the victims and their families and New Zealand as a nation there is anger.

I am going to call out every person on this site who have referred to Muslim immigration to this country as an invasion, this is in part on your head.

For every person who has hyped anti-Muslim sentiments, have referred to them as less than human, who have attempted to drive fear and division in our community this is in part on you.

To every person on the forum who has voiced support for hard right fascist parties and policies, this is in part on you.

For every single selfish sod who wants easier access to weaponry, this is in part on you.

For every race and religion baiter who has spread their poison on this forum, this is also in part on you.

The guy made much of a visit to France. This was virtually part of his manifesto;

'I believe that France has a muslim population between 20% and 30%.
The only betting going on there is when will the civil war start.
Unfortunately that is no longer a joke, people seem to be taking
it seriously. I do not read French so it is hard to get a realistic
idea of just what the feelings are in France.

People here seem mainly to talk as though the Islam problem is new.
Many are not aware and the schools certainly do not mention that
Islamic armies have been invading Europe India and Africa for 1400 years.

The whole of the middle east by the year AD500 was Christian, Jewish
and Zoroastrian. After Islam was formed the Arabs invaded Mesopotamia
and introduced Islam at the point of the sword and the three options.
Where are the Jews and Christians of those countries now ?

Between that time and today there have been about 800 battles between
Islamic armies and European armies.

The most notable campaigns were the battles for Spain, Sicily and the
Balkhams.

The invasion of France was stopped at Tours by Charles Martel in 732.
Saudi Arabia is financing the building of a celebratory mosque on the site of the battle.
Does that tell you something ?
The invasion of Switzerland seems to have ended after the Tours defeat.
Many are not aware that an Islamic army invaded and occupied the Vatican.
They were driven out by Italian local provinces.
Rome itself was weakened by the Arab slave trader's raids that over
years captured about one million Europeans and sold them in the
African slave markets. That continued with raids as far apart as
the coast of Britain, Ireland and even Iceland.

The two invasions of Austria are better known as they were defeated
at the gates of Vienna the last battle in 1683 when Vienna was saved
by the arrival of a Polish Army.'

I wondered who would raise this as a topic, I guess that it would be a left whinger banging on about right wing extremists, and I was not disappointed.

49 people are dead, and all Paul sees is a political opportunity.

My question is, what is Australia going to do about stopping the inevitable retaliation?

Dear Paul1405,

What is really sobering is that NZ had been pretty much free of the threat of Islamic terrorism due not in a small part by the fact they were not involved in bombing in the ME. Yet this is where this loser chose to slaughter so many innocent people.

It will be interesting to see just how many Australians accept they have exported a terrorist, one in part radicalised in this country by those of the very ilk as many of the rightwing zealots who infest this forum.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Really?

Go read this bloke's manifesto. It was almost entirely a political document. The whole bloody country is banging on about right wing extremists, except for people like yourself who instead get defensive. Why do you think that is?

Not a single acknowledgement of the victims except for a number either. Again why do you think that is? Are you also lock step with a particular Australian senator in believing it is their fault? It would seem like it.

Paul1405 Quote "what security precautions are taken in both countries regarding far right extremism."

Why signal out far right extremism, what about far left extremists or are they okay?

Opposition MP, Tony Burke has 'told’ the government that it has to ban Milo Yiannopoulos because of what happened in New Zealand. Idiot.

With the fuss about the incident among Australian politicians and other virtue signallers, one would think that it occurred here. Just because the terrorist is an Australian doesn't mean it's our problem. Let the Kiwis deal with it! Smarty pants Ardern was lecturing our PM a couple of weeks ago. She knows all the answers.

Dear Paul,

Truly tragic news for New Zealand, for Australia,
for us all.

The media must also take part of the responsibility
for extreme actions like these. It only shows us what
can happen when certain groups are demonised. It can
influence people's behaviour.

I feel for the family members of this young man.
They too would be affected by his actions.

There's a new mosque near us that was to have an open house
and a sausage sizzle - next week-end.
I'm not sure if that will go ahead. I was going to go along.
It's very modern - and I've never been inside a mosque.
Perhaps I should give it a miss?

What Anning said:

“The real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.

Let us be clear, while Muslims may have been the victims today, usually they are the perpetrators. World-wide, Muslims are killing people in the name of their faith on an industrial scale.

The entire religion of Islam is simply the violent ideology of a sixth-century despot masquerading as a religious leader, which justifies endless war against anyone who opposes it and calls for the murder of unbelievers and apostates.

The truth is that Islam is not like any other faith. It is the religious equivalent of fascism. And just because the followers of this savage belief were not the killers in this instance, does not make them blameless."

Is Mise,

Yeah that's going to help.

Not enough that so many were killed - now demonise them
even further.

It will continue to happen as long as people remain indifferent to the problem !

Foxy,

Anning and what he said is being discussed widely, from the PM down, so it's a relevant post and will save you, and others, looking for it.

I could be wrong but I don't think there's ever been a pro-Islamist terrorist attack in New Zealand.

Muslim immigration into New Zealand seems to have been orderly and well-managed, with Muslim immigrants becoming no more of a danger to anybody than Estonian or Filipino or Canadian immigrants, peacefully going about their business of contributing to the well-being of New Zealand.

NZ's refugee intake is - comparatively - a fraction of Australia's, so that spurious 'reason' would have been no excuse whatever for mass murder by fascists like this turd and his cronies: I hope he and his mates get 49 life sentences, to be served consecutively. Fortunately for them, there are probably not too many Muslims in NZ's jails.

These were people going about their business peacefully; they happened to be Muslim. But the bottom line is that people going about their legitimate business peacefully were murdered brutally for no other reason than they were Muslims. As Greg Sheridan wrote, today we're all Muslims. I'm inclined to agree with him. There is no place in modern society for fascism, Islamist or otherwise, no place for attacks on peaceful people of any sort.

Joe

Dear Joe,

Bravo!

Well said!

Has anyone named this 'extreme rightwing group' or is anyone who commits an atrocity labelled this to balance the violence of the left and Islam. Personally I know no 'extreme right group' The left certainly have Antifa who are violent thugs and I hear of a few neo Nazis. So which 'right wing' group did this barbarian belong to?

Dear Loudmouth,

Well said.

Dear Is Mise,

You are one very sick puppy.

You said “Let us be clear, while Muslims may have been the victims today, usually they are the perpetrators. World-wide, Muslims are killing people in the name of their faith on an industrial scale.”

So if this had happened in a NZ synagogue would you be saying 'Let us be clear, while Jews may have been the victims today, usually they are the perpetrators. In Palestine, Jews are killing people in the name of their faith on an industrial scale.'?

You really would have made a typical IS supporter, your justifying language ticks all the same boxes.

Still not a drop of sympathy from you for all the slain and wounded. All you can think about is the chance you might get to walk around with a hidden weapon on the lookout for 'retaliating Muslims'. What number of destroyed lives would it take for you to pause for just one second and think about their humanity rather than the deeply irrational threat you feel they pose to you?

And how dare you quote from that foul piece of garbage. Blame the victims was his only honest sentiment. The sooner he is gone from our parliament the better.

Look I get that you have likely been radicalised by the poison peddlers, and indeed have become one of them, not of course at Bazz's level but you had been learning.

How about you take this opportunity to reassess what you have become. It might do you the world of good.

Dear runner,

And not a single drop of supposedly Christian compassion or even thought for those who have been slain from you.

Sickeningly typical.

yes Steelie of course its you lefties who have a mortgage on compassion. You are sickening and very much part of the problem.

If Christ existed there would be a very special place in Hell for those using this thread to repeat anti Muslim trash
Never forgive those extremists on both sides'
Leave room for understanding some are so badly informed, they fall for extremist trash talk, even use it themselves
Yesterday's mass murder, much like any Islamic murder
was committed by a gutless fool armed.
And against innocent humans including at least one child
Next time you see a social media post warning others want to ban our Easter or Christmas know, truly, you are reading trash talk with no real person or event calling for such

Steele,

"You said “Let us be clear, while Muslims may have been the victims today, usually they are the perpetrators. World-wide, Muslims are killing people in the name of their faith on an industrial scale.”

I never said anything of the sort, stop grandstanding to feed your ego.

Was I wrong to attribute to you expressed feelings of compassion for Muslims murdered in Pakistan, must've misread you?

ttbn Quote "Opposition MP, Tony Burke has 'told’ the government that it has to ban Milo Yiannopoulos because of what happened in New Zealand."

Wonder if he calls for a ban on radical clerics and parents who have in the past had their children run around with behead infidel signs.

Steele,

You said,

"I believe that France has a muslim population between 20% and 30%.
The only betting going on there is when will the civil war start.
Unfortunately that is no longer a joke, people seem to be taking
it seriously. I do not read French so it is hard to get a realistic
idea of just what the feelings are in France.'

You should have paid more attention in school, having a foreign language or two is great for comprehension.

still no one able to name the 'rightwing group'. No instead just spewing out of hatred. In the US the haters are blaming the nra. Just happens the nra don't exist in NZ. The left certainly contribute much more bile and lies when it comes to these crimes.

Dear Foxy,

This came through one of the forums I read.

“As a Muslim who was raised in Australia, yesterday, for the first time in my life, when I went to Friday prayers, I was a bit afraid, and I don't think I've ever really been afraid in my country before. It's a really ugly feeling and I hate it. This has really hurt my Muslim community, and it hurts like hell.”

I have little doubt that such a person would not have felt comfortable posting something like that here. They should of course, but the toxic nature of an indecent number of contributors makes it unlikely.

Instead we have gutter morons quoting our most toxic politician.

I thought I would leave this image for you. It helped ease my anger just a touch, can't you tell?

http://i.redd.it/5tpx2u9pmdm21.jpg

Dear Is Mise,

That was done deliberately you clown. You posted it without any clarification since none was needed was it. It was exactly what you were thinking. Lock step. While I may have called you out later in the post for quoting the piece of garbage I really need not have bothered. The gap between the two of you is non-existent.

Dear runner,

The terrorist did not deny being a Christian only conceding it 'was complicated'. Your version of Christianity is distinctly right wing. Could yours be the 'group' being discussed? As for the 'spewers of hatred' I will tell you now there is no one on this forum who delivers more of it than you. You are mostly a loathsome creature and for all the time you have stalked these halls I would really struggle to find a single redeeming quality about you. Why don't you just have a crack at a more Christian way of conducting yourself

Dear Steele,

AWWWWWWW

It certainly tugs at the heart-strings.

Thank You - I needed that.

'The terrorist did not deny being a Christian only conceding it 'was complicated''

the best you can do Steelie. You are one desperate creature.

SteeleRedux, Quote "quoting our most toxic politician."

Well, which politician and what did he say?

** You are good at calling people morons etc, which incidentally is against the rules. **

** But I would like to know which politician said what? **

Steele & Foxy,

Yes, beautiful, just right !

Hi Runner,

I'm sure you mean to write that, "out of Christian compassion for all God's creations, especially innocent people, one's heart must go out to all of the bereaved in New Zealand, and condemn utterly (even if they are also, somehow, God's creatures) the murderers of innocent people, in the sureness that they will never get into Heaven". Something along those lines ?

But your computer keeps deleting those sorts of words ? I'm sure you have compassion for innocent people killed for no reason other than being Muslim ? Just as any decent Muslim would feel similarly about innocent non-Muslims being killed for no reason other than not being Muslim ?

I'm sure you meant to write that :)

But God still loves you.

Cheers,

Joe

Where was the politicians, msm, peoples indignation when these events occurred.

As stated before what happened in NZ should not have happened, just as these events should not have occurred in relative silence.

Philippines: On Sunday, January 27, Islamic militants bombed a Roman Catholic cathedral during Mass. At least 20 people were killed and 111 wounded. Two explosives were detonated about a minute apart in the vicinity of the Cathedral of Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Jolo at around 8:45 a.m
**
Egypt: An Islamic terror plot to bomb a packed Christian church on the evening of January 6, when Coptic Orthodox Christians celebrate Christmas, was foiled by police.
Four explosive devices were planted around the Church of the Virgin Mary and St Mercurius in ... Nasr City. Three were removed safely but the fourth, concealed in a bag, exploded when police bomb disposal technicians attempted to deactivate it. Police Major Mostafa Ebeid was killed in the blast,
**
Between late December and early January, authorities forcibly shut down four more churches in Egypt after angry Muslim mobs rioted to protest their existence. In one instance, on Friday, January 11, more than one thousand Muslims surrounded the St George Church in Minya and demanded its immediate closure. Not only did authorities comply, they evicted the two priests who were holed up inside the church and hauled them off in a vehicle used for garbage. The move prompted "an elated response from a jubilating, gloating mob," along with triumphant cries of "Allahu Akbar!"
**
Cameroon: Muslim militants invaded and ransacked two Christian villages the night of January 24. They destroyed 190 homes, plundered and desecrated four churches, set a Christian hospital on fire, and killed livestock.
**
Nigeria: Militant Muslims have destroyed a total of 1,125 churches belonging to one Christian denomination alone, the Church of the Brethren in Nigeria, based in the Muslim-majority northeast of the country, a January 23 report found.

Why is the finger always pointed at Muslims,
when in this case they are the victims?
Does that really help the situation or only
increase the problem?

Why don't we ever hear about the persecution of
Muslims around the globe? Just to balance things up
a bit. All you have to do is use Google.
The information just may surprise some here.

Philip S,

Don't you remember Steele's outpourings of sympathy for all those dead Christians?

I don't remember it either but I'm sure that he did.

Shortly he's going to tell us that there will be no Muslim backlash for the atrocities in New Zealand and that we need not worry.

Foxy will tell us the same because Islam is a religion of peace.

Not to defend this outrage but, when it's a muslim terrorist its lone wolf, but when it's a white supremacist its not?

Dear Lucifrase,

You wrote;

"Not to defend this outrage but, when it's a muslim terrorist its lone wolf, but when it's a white supremacist its not?"

Let's focus on our little neck of the woods as an example.

Do you really think if there was a Muslim agitator on here spewing out fear and hate toward Christians any of us would have put up with it?

Yet time and time again posters have used inflammatory language like 'invasion' and 'birth rates' and 'rapes' and 'FGM' in order to create fear and division in our multi-cultural land.

People like Bazz have fronted up every month like clockwork sewing seeds of hate.

They have not been properly brought to account and they are ducking for cover right now. But they should be recognised for what they are, fearful poison peddlers. I'm not saying there aren't poison peddlers within other religions and countries, there certainly are. But it realy has so little bearing to what has happened in a place like New Zealand where religious violence is virtually non-existent.

Philip S,

Oh look, a whole dissertation on how we should be blaming the victims. Why are you using the events in Egypt as mitigation? One might just as easily counter with what about the Rohingas in Burma or the Uyghur in China being slaughtered or placed in concentration camps?

But none of this has any bearing on what happened in Christchurch does it. You are engaging in deflection and victim shaming because you have nothing left. No legitimacy, no argument and pretty well no morality.

Come on mate, just give it a rest. Might be time to sit this one out for a bit.

A fundraising page has already been set up to collect donations to cover the teenager's legal fees and to buy "more eggs".

An ABC report from an incident where a young man hit Sen Anning on the head with an egg ?

A clear case of stupidity !

SteeleRedux, Quote "Philip S, Oh look, a whole dissertation on how we should be blaming the victims."

You have to be one of the most ignorant people here you continually read things that are not there.

** At no point did I blame the victims or even imply they were to blame but on this thread and another you make the same assumption, but you are unable to point to the words that backup your comment. **

Pointing out that there are other events of notoriety that do not receive the same attention from politicians and msm is not blaming the victim except in your deluded mind.

** Very noticeable you even fail to show any sympathy or even acknowledge that the other atrocities occurred. **

Also Quote "But none of this has any bearing on what happened in Christchurch does it." I believe that that statement will come back to haunt you as what is occurring and has occurred around the world is going to be a driving factor that led him to do what he did.

The media et al have told us this guy's a right-wing extremist so it must be true because they wouldn't lie to us, would they? Indeed they told us this even before the perpetrator had been identified!

While I'd prefer to implement the 48 hour rule on this one, reading the Tarrant's manifesto (as its rather grandly been termed) I struggle to see how the charge of right-wing extremism can be upheld.

Extremist - no question.
Many right wing views - absolutely.

But he also called himself an eco-fascist, a 'Green Nationalst' and the nation he most admires is Red China.
He says he has been a communist and anarchist. He hates conservatism. He hates capitalism but loves environmentalism.
Not exactly right wing, let alone extreme right wing views.

Currently Australia is being excoriated for spawning such a man. But he's been in NZ for at least a couple of years and we don't appear to know at this time when he was radicalised.

Hence I want to wait for more and better information before final judgement.

But there are a few observations we can make about the response to this outrageous act. When an Islamic extremist acts, the politicians and media can barely wait for the shooting to stop before declaring that it has nothing to do with Islam. Where are the exhortations to remember that this has nothing to do with right wing politics?

Then we are told, without evidence, that the perpetrator has mental issues which somehow absolves the religion of blame. But again, no one seems to be declaring Tarrant insane.

Then there is the pleas to not blame the non-extreme Mohammedans for the acts of their extreme 'friends'. But no one seems to be running to the defence of right wingers.

I can't quite work out why the difference but I'm sure it'll come to me </sarc>

Meanwhile 40 odd people remain in hospital and in danger. Surely the political blood-letting can await a few days and a little better information.

Dear individual,

So when some teenager tosses a sammo at Gillard you say in his defence;

“Many of us have tried the polite ways to get them to listen but they don't so, do something that startles them back into some reality.”

But when that utter douche gets an egg tapped on to his scone you come over all high and mighty?

Bloody hypocrite my friend.

Philip S,

Oh lordy, lordy, did you really write that post? I mean you were kind of getting there and then you went and put in the last sentence and blew it right out of the water. It is usually pretty hard to hang yourself in one post but you have manged to do just that. Well done.

A really vile tragedy with indisputable political elements milked by Paul, Foxy, Steel (that I've noticed) trying to point the finger of contribution and causation pretty much exclusively at the right.

A lot of people died or suffered serious injury as well as the flow on harm to those around them and to the broader community.

The perpetrators were no friends to the overwhelming majority of those on the right, either by the ideology nor the acts they committed nor the for the ammunition they provide to the unscrupulous on the left to play some pretty dishonest politics with the issue.

Ultimately the blame lies with those who carried out and or provided knowing support for the attack.

At this stage I don't think any of us actually know much about the individuals involved and their path to the evil done in Christchurch so comment on the broader issues is just that and may or may not relate to their specific cases.

When we step back a layer which the attacks on the right are aimed at then there are a lot of factors at play. I'll address one that is in my view core.

The role of the left in de-platforming and censoring those who disagree with their views is I believe a significant contributor to far right extremism. Much better to have those hateful voices able to be rebutted in the public square than forced into dark corners where the only voices are voices of agreement.

Instead we have a world where large numbers of people who disagree with the modern left (many of them who consider themselves on the left) get called far right, racist, homophobes, Nazi's etc. Where there are serious attempts to censor, deprive people of income (related to their views or otherwise).

Those smugly sitting pointing the finger at anybody to the right of you as "the problem" who don't care about the excesses of the left and the role they play in polarising debate and political life could use some self awareness.

R0bert

individual,

How about a link to the appeal page for the young bloke.

To the hard right group of forum Islamophobes;

This is not how it suppose to happen is it, after all you and those like you are the good guys, and the two billion Muslims in the world are the bad guys, every last one of them.

I have to agree with SteeleRedux, you in your own small way contribute to this kind of atrocity. Its through your blind obsession with vilifying all Muslim, that the extremist takes comfort in what he does. This coward believed he was right, acting for the good of you all.

I assume most of you wackos are harmless old fuddy-duddy's, geriatrics at a keyboard, but who knows, one or two of you might be right out of the box!

Steele Redux,
the more you write here the more it becomes apparent that you et al are part of the cause that fosters the problem of intolerance.
In your defence I can tell that this a scenario in which ignorance is the pivotal role.
You most likely weren't born so ignorant & the evidence suggests your upbringing & education is the guilty part !

Luciferase,

"Not to defend this outrage but, when it's a muslim terrorist its lone wolf, but when it's a white supremacist its not?"

Well, in this case. it would appear that the main instigator was
probably not acting alone so he was not a lone wolf.
Some news accounts say that two other people are being held.

'But your computer keeps deleting those sorts of words ? I'm sure you have compassion for innocent people killed for no reason other than being Muslim ? Just as any decent Muslim would feel similarly about innocent non-Muslims being killed for no reason other than not being Muslim ? '

well Joe just happen to believe compassion is something acted upon rather than virtue signalling. What is abundantly clear is the left do have a mortgage in virtue signalling usually for political purposes. As for compassion/empathy I am not so sure. Coming out and stating ones disgust for anyone killing innocent people should be a foregone. That is why slaughtering the unborn is so abhorrent. Noticed the abc reporting on a fraction if what Trump said in order to show him in a bad light.

There are some posts that tell us that the poster
is grim and resolute and their supply of the milk of human
kindness is plainly short by several gallons.

My forefathers fought to defend this country against foreign invasion;
Now supporting the invading foreign masses is a bi-partisan issue.
- And anyone that objects is 'racist' and a 'far right extremist'.

Well I don't really give a shite.
Do you think calling me these names will instantly make me drop to the ground quivering in a state of fear in the fetal position?

I'm not heartless; to the families of the people killed and injured, to those who witnessed the events or were on the scene in the aftermath of these events to provide assistance, you all have my sympathy.

But to the greater Muslim community I'm laughing my head off, sucked in, I don't care.
Is it unlawful for me to 'not care'?
Am I to be imprisoned because 'I don't care'?

Well, I don't care.
- This is what you get -
When you start telling us we're the problem in our own countries.

Its a real shame Morrison and Shorten weren't there to take one for the team and stand in front of a bullet themselves.

Jacinta Adern demands the truth and Scott Morrison censures any discussions of such.
http://thewest.com.au/news/australia/queensland-senator-fraser-anning-will-be-censured-when-parliament-resumes-scott-morrison-ng-b881137995z

He's down at the Lakemba mosque with his tongue in the sphincter of the Australiam caliphate leaders like a good little grovelling Christian.

Well, what an amusing little shite show this is.

'There are some posts that tell us that the poster
is grim and resolute and their supply of the milk of human
kindness is plainly short by several gallons.'

yeah you find them in every abortion clinic.

SteeleRedux, Like usual you try to change the narrative so here it is again, maybe it will be more plausible if you just admit you were wrong.
SteeleRedux Quote "Philip S, Oh look, a whole dissertation on how we should be blaming the victims."

** At no point did I blame the victims or even imply they were to blame but on this thread and another you make the same assumption, but you are unable to point to the words that backup your comment. **

**__ Come on SteeleRedux try answering __**

SteeleRedux Quote "But none of this has any bearing on what happened in Christchurch does it." I will remind you of your delusional statement in the future.

Paul1405, Quote "I have to agree with SteeleRedux, you in your own small way contribute to this kind of atrocity. Its through your blind obsession with vilifying all Muslim, that the extremist takes comfort in what he does."

** Like usual you read things into comments that are not there, please show me an example of where I have vilified all Muslims for anything. **

Then you further prove to everyone that reading your comments are a waste of time, you simply can't help yourself resorting to sarcasm.
"I assume most of you wackos are harmless old fuddy-duddy's, geriatrics at a keyboard, but who knows, one or two of you might be right out of the box!"

This what I would expect from a few here.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2019/03/this-wont-end-well-language-warning.html#comment-6a0177444b0c2e970d0240a46fe557200d

Just hit the little play icon on the video

Mind the Language a bit colorful.

Yep, the idiot antagonist with camera is typical, harass people but incessantly yelp "don't touch me".

SteeleRedux, Like usual you are quick to make accusations but conveniently fail to answer, just a reminder of

Quote "quoting our most toxic politician."

Well, which politician and what did he say?

Maybe this time we will get an answer or SteeleRedux will again change the subject.

individual - Interesting no AFP or security around the idiot should have been arrested and charged on the spot. Using the airport video and the uploaded video he should be easily identified and charged.

First they defend paedophiles now they support terrorists.
How much lower can the right sink?

SR,

You are the worst type of hypocrite. You are not blaming this atrocity on the single gunman that acted alone but on everyone that opposes immigration or is concerned about the Islamic terrorism. Then you blame the Australians for the terror attacks in Aus because they were involved in the fight against ISIS. Shame on you

That you are also an apologist for Hamas and their viciousness against jews, gays and women and their day to day support of terrorism shows that you care little for the loss of life and more for the opportunity to bang your drum.

That the attack was in NZ was largely because of their lax gun laws and probably their relaxed security. This was clearly an act of racist terrorism, and no different from the atrocities committed anywhere else in the world such as in the UK, France Germany and Israel.

One day not too far away, some of us may find the Federal police on our doorstep
And it will be because they dare not overlook some things said here
It is my view they need not bother, just cranky old men not used to thinking is the problem
But the day before yesterday our world changed
Right wing lunatics ensured reprisal assaults will take place
Islamic fundamentalists and right wing terrorists, both will be empowered to begin killing again
Haters must hate, but feeding them is blind stupidity
I know Islamists are our enemies
But walking in to a place of worship? unarmed people
How truly gutless, how truly evil how truly dumb
Be careful what you say in print, remember this man was not known, that was a failure of authorities to monitor such people, a failure unlikely to be repeated

Better late than never, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has committed to strengthening New Zealand's rather lax gun laws, which seen this licenced terrorists armed to the teeth with a swag of the most horrific weapons, which he legally obtained. Unbelievably because of the gun lobby applying pressure to conservative politicians since 2005 stronger guns laws have been rejected time and again by the New Zealand parliament. Now strong action is inevitable, like in Australia the Rambo gun lobby has been completely discredited by the atrocity in Christchurch. New Zealand can now get tough with the Rambo's and put them fairly and squarely in their place!
In my view it's again time for a major overhaul of Australia's somewhat tardy gun laws as well.

Armchair Critic, probably the most disgusting post on this thread thus far. As I said we have some here, right out of the box!

Philip S, nothing to put up from your favourite Muslim bashing UK scandal sheet?

Hi Belly, well said,

BTW I see there is talk that the one issue Shooters and Hooters Party might pick up seats in NSW next week. If that should happen, and a minority Conservative government is formed, the Coalition will be under pressure from the unrepresentative Rambo's to abolish gun laws, giving criminals an open go, in return for their support.

Hi Foxy,

You said something about you were going to attend a mosque to show support for these innocent victims, but now having second thoughts, because of fear. That is what these bastards want, fear. Please go if you can, and don't let the bastards win. Mosques in Brisbane are having an open day today, welcoming Christians and others of goodwill to come along and show solidarity. I'll ring a see what time, its about 20km from me.

How about a link to the appeal page for the young bloke.
is Mise,

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-16/fraser-anning-egged-in-melbourne-while-speaking-to-media/10908650

Is that to pay his bail?

From Tarrant's 'manifesto'...

"Why focus on immigration and birth rates when climate change is such a huge issue?

Because they are the same issue, the environment is being destroyed by over population, we Europeans are one of the groups that are not over populating the world. The invaders are the ones over populating the world. Kill the invaders, kill the overpopulation and by so doing save the environment."

I'm looking forward to SR and the like explaining to us how those who pushed climate change and the over-population BS are responsible for the Christchurch massacre.

Of course that would involve SR outing himself, but he's an honourable man, n'est pas?

OTOH, we could all take a step back and recognise that someone taking reasonable political comment to extremes and distorting beyond recognition legitimate political views isn't anyone's responsibility other than the perpetrator(s) himself.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/don-t-egg-politicians-you-get-tackled-teen-who-egged-fraser-anning-speaks-20190317-p514us.html
Shadow Minister,
This must make the Lefties really proud !

What exactly was the wrong thing said by Anning ? All I have read thus far is that he drew attention to the fact that the islamisation of this Nation is most likely linked to the increasing levels of violence here. Well, I can't disprove that however, it appears that if islamists had been more focussed on integration rather than violence, carrying out this dreadful incident may never have entered the bloke's mind in the first place.
What do others think ? What do normal decent Muslims think ? Does anyone know of other migrant/refugee groups that raised so much concern that an Australian saw it warranted to take such tragic action ?

'First they defend paedophiles now they support terrorists.
How much lower can the right sink?'

actually mikk the killer describes himself as an 'eco facist'. Much closer to you than the 'right' whoever they might be.

When a person callously murders 50 innocent people there is no requirement to explain his so called "manifesto".

mhaze you might find some comfort in the perverted ravings of a lunatic, most of us don't.

A report on the ABC this morning, that Morrison raised the idea of kicking the Muslim hate can would be a vote winner for the Coalition. Seems Scum O' was slapped down by both Bishop and Turnbull. At least some in the Coalition have some moral backbone.

Paul relax, indys post only confirms some of us know very little
Yes the half wit who egged Anning, was on a mission he had camera ready and wanted fame
We must every time, protect every politician
Anning an idiot at best, will not be around for long, but his supporters here will continue to?talk rubbish
It is all some know
indy? your post questions only you,think about that,

Anning got in a couple of nice open handed smacks - not punches - before others stepped in and probably hurt the little shite much more. Good luck to Anning. Serve the eggboy right. How stupid can the midget be assaulting a man Anning's size.

For all the pointless arguing and virtue signalling, the NZ incident, like all others of its kind, will be out of the news in a few days. Wasn't it a French politician who said after the last Muslim atrocity in France that everybody had to get used to the idea that this sort of the thing was now normal, and we all have to accept it?

Reading some of the looney left posts here, it is obvious that the Left is highly delighted about a non-Muslim attack on Muslims. They will now be able to crow that it is not just Muslims who are terrorists. They have been telling what was a blatant lie before this, now they will finally be able to say it with confidence.

indy? your post questions only you,think about that,
Belly,
Great exposure of your mentality ! keep it up !

Warning to all about Steele Redux:
He posted on this thread on 16th March the first line which said;

The guy made much of a visit to France. This was virtually part of his manifesto;

The text shown in the post was a post of mine a few months ago.
The implication of the post is that I am at least a part author of
Tarrant Harrison's Manifesto.

Not true of course but the implication is there.
I have not been able to find the manifesto using google.
Someone on here I believe has it so I would like to see it.
Please email it to Graham and he can fwd it to me.

Mr Anning did more that just "smack"the young
boy. He punched - as the video clearly shows.

What needs to be asked is what was Mr Anning
doing in Melbourne - a trip funded by taxpayers.
The last time he was here it was to attend the
white-supremacist rally in St. Kilda.

This time it again was to attend a rally where
far-right agitator and convicted criminal Neil
Erikson was controlling access to the building.

Anning's behaviour is a pertinent reminder to all
voters of the importance of being vigilant in the
casting of their vote to ensure the people they
elect to high office are worthy of fulfilling it.

Seriously folks - these calibre of people have to be
booted out.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-16/fraser-anning-egged-in-melbourne-while-speaking-to-media/10908650

Armchair Critic,
I agree with you, and with the empathy you expressed.

I also agree with Senator Anning's press release. This event is indeed connected to our Immigration policy. At least in Aus, cannot say for NZ.

We should not be importing Muslims and others that will not integrate and have contempt for our laws and society.

While Morrison and Shorten are licking muslim arses to get some votes, we should remember a few things.

We have more than 20 in jail for terrorist acts all muslim.

Over 60 girls were individually gang raped by Lebs in Bankstown area

Muslims riorted in Sydney over some vidio and called for infidel beheadings.

202 people died in the Bali bombings and there were more deaths by muslims last week in other countries.

Sort of puts it all in perspective doesn't it.

Yes, I also think Anning is being "egged", if you will excuse the pun.
To put everything into some kind of perspective digest this;

These are attacks by moslems;
Attacks - 150
Killed - 883
Injured - 547
Suicide Blasts - 10
Countries - 22

And that is for February 2019.
Since the above on 15th March;
20 Christian farmers killed by moslems.
Two women in burqers attempted to enter church but were kept out
they then blew themselves up outside the church injuring one other person.

No great fuss made about these, no mention on media hmmm.
Has it become just like reporting motor car accidents ?

As far as Tarrant Harrison is concerned, presuming he is convicted
the NZ government should bring in the death penalty for mass murder.
Otherwise they will be stuck with an enormous bill over the next 60 years or so.
Trouble with that is it would be retroactive.
I now await the roar of hypocritical rage

Belly Quote Quote "I know Islamists are our enemies But walking in to a place of worship? unarmed people
How truly gutless, how truly evil how truly dumb"

** Stupid statement, you imply the people in the mosque were our enemies and to blame, You really outdid yourself with that statement.

"some of us may find the Federal police on our doorstep_____ It is my view they need not bother, just cranky old men not used to thinking is the problem"

** Agree 100% you have just described yourself **

Quote "Right wing lunatics ensured reprisal assaults will take place"

** How insightful, stating the obvious. The radicals will commit atrociousness against defenseless people no matter what he did **

Quote "Haters must hate, but feeding them is blind stupidity"

** Who is feeding them, I don't see anyone cheering him for doing what he did. **

Quote "unarmed people How truly gutless, how truly evil how truly dumb"

** About as gutless as locking people in cages and setting fire to them, a number of men throwing one person of a building, putting explosives in a church to blow it up when people are in it **

** Where were your statements like that when there are atrocities by radicals against Christians, non muslims and others? **

Paul1405 You prove you are nothing but a troll with all my comments here, all you could come up with was "Philip S, nothing to put up from your favourite Muslim bashing UK scandal sheet?"

Paul1405 Quote "Hi Belly, well said," Exactly what did he say that you thought warranted the congratulations?

mhaze I think SR is female.

HenryL.,

According to the Indian columnist Bhaskar Menon, the
British Empire killed with famine, sword, and fire
more people than Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, Hitler
or Stalin. In the defence of its imperial interests
it has precipitated two world wars and is now
presiding over an empire of crime that drains the poorest
countries of their hard-earned wealth. He claims that
during the days of Empire and now treachery has been
a staple in Britain's international relationships.

You can read more at :

http://www.quora.com/How-many-people-did-the-british-empire-kill-worldwide

The Western superpowers have a lot to answer if we begin
comparing the fatalities worldwide.

Does that put things into perspective for you also?

Dear Belly,

My husband asked me the question -

"Why are you honouring these people by responding
to them. Häve you run out of human beings?"

Something to think about.

Philip S said;
Belly Quote Quote "I know Islamists are our enemies But walking in to a
place of worship? unarmed people
How truly gutless, how truly evil how truly dumb"

I think you are being a bit hard on Belly, seems he meant that the
poster he was referring to considered the Islamists to be the posters enemies.

Read it back out loud to yourself Belly before posting.

Foxy,

I spend a lot of time in India and have many Indian friends Sikh, Hindu, Muslim and Christian plus a couple of Jains and all of them think that the British influence was overall benign.

The widespread use of English and their excellent railways bear this out, not to mention the Parliamentary System and the Rule of Law.

Is Mise,

I'm sure that we'd find people who would praise
all sorts of empires and rulers - for whatever
reasons. Others may weigh the pros and cons and
try to see both sides of the equation.
It's all a matter of what we have personally experienced,
trust, and know, - or for that matter what we've
been taught to believe and so on. It's all subjective.

Here's another link on the subject:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/08/india-britain-empire-railways-myths-gifts

Foxy let me say this, my return to these pages has been both warming and bought great concern
In truth I have come close to leaving for good
We always had more conservatives than others
But we had in the past very good women posters and some truly good middle of the road ones
I stay, for now, in the hope we can hold some who come here see it is not for them, and leave
Friday a murdering beast without guts, murdered people on their knees talking to their GOD
I believe in no God, but know good people do
I fear my brain dying before my body, live not far from a Gods waiting room community
Such communities exist, and some have no need to fear a brain dieing, our humanity demands we feel ill after reading some comments
Your husband is a bright man

Anning definitely only slapped the brat. Now Morrison says Anning should be charged, but it's ok to egg Anning.

MY has had his visa to speak here cancelled because of comments made about the NZ mosque attack. None of that freedom of speech nonsense for the Morrison govenment.

And, Foxy's husband of all people should know that she is too much of a know-all windbag to stop commenting on everything that is said.

Dear Belly,

My husband could see how upset the attacks on you
made me - hence his comment. He keeps telling me
to also leave this forum. But I've been here for decades
and have seen people come and go. Many such as yourself,
I consider my friends - we've shared some tough times
together and you've always been here for me. I
remember how devastated I became when I was first diagnosed
with bowel cancer, then when I had all my heart problems.
You supported me through all that and gave me hope.
I came through it all just fine - but being able to
talk with you helped a great deal. Dear Hassie stood
firmly by me as well, as did so many others.

Sharing was the norm in those days. Not so much now. We've
got a nastiness here now that didn't exist in the past.
And we see the worst of this country on offer. Which is a
shame. I feel this is a re-hashing of the narrow-minded
attitudes
and the bigotry - that my parents
must have encountered on their arrival in this country.
Even then there were the nasty types around. It appears
that they haven't died yet.

Anyway, don't leave just yet. Perhaps things will improve
for the better with new people coming on the forum. One can only
hope. Otherwise I shall have to think about taking my
husband's advice as well.

ttbn
Assault charge for alleged egg thrower

Updated 9 Jul 2010, 4:55pm

Police have charged a Perth man with assault after he allegedly threw an egg at Prime Minister Julia Gillard this morning.

The egg whizzed past Ms Gillard as she entered the ABC Perth foyer and hit a female security guard before smashing against a wall.

** But Victoria has the best police money can buy so will be interesting to see what happens **
___________________________________________________

Bazz - Belly has not retracted his post from ( Sunday, 17 March 2019 4:21:25 AM )
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=8709#278455
So I can only assume he stands by what he said, in which case my questions to him stand.

** The only one on this forum blaming the victims for what happened is Belly and of course Paul1405 for his reply to Belly quote "Hi Belly, well said,"

Belly Quote "I know Islamists are our enemies But walking in to a place of worship? unarmed people
How truly gutless, how truly evil how truly dumb"

** Stupid statement, you imply the people in the mosque were our enemies and to blame, You really outdid yourself with that statement. Please explain. **

Quote "Right wing lunatics ensured reprisal assaults will take place"

** How insightful, stating the obvious. The radicals will commit atrociousness against defenseless people no matter what he did **

Quote "Haters must hate, but feeding them is blind stupidity"

** Who is feeding them, I don't see anyone cheering him for doing what he did. **

Quote "unarmed people How truly gutless, how truly evil how truly dumb"

** About as gutless as locking people in cages and setting fire to them, a number of men throwing one person of a building, putting explosives in a church to blow it up when people are in it **

** Where were your statements like that when there are atrocities by radicals against Christians, non Muslims and others? **

Dear AC,

Look at you my friend, ticking every single box that the nob head did. Zero empathy, obvious hatred for outsiders, spending far to much time on race baiting conspiracy sites, easily manipulated, has the mantra down pat, probably single, attention seeker, and probably in the top three of OLO posters Your mindset could take you down the same path.

Dear Bazz,

I was wondering when you might slither on in. Yes your words were indeed taken for the killer's manifesto.

This is you;

“The two invasions of Austria are better known as they were defeated
at the gates of Vienna the last battle in 1683 when Vienna was saved
by the arrival of a Polish Army.”

This is him;

“Even at Vienna in 1683 we Europeans still lost over fourteen thousand good men.”

Or is it the other way around? Bloody hard to tell.

You;

“Many are not aware that an Islamic army invaded and occupied the Vatican.
They were driven out by Italian local provinces.
Rome itself was weakened by the Arab slave trader's raids that over
years captured about one million Europeans and sold them in the
African slave markets.”

Which is just a short step to;

“To take revenge on the invaders for the hundreds of thousands of deaths
caused by foreign invaders in European lands throughout history. To take revenge for the enslavement of millions of Europeans taken from their lands by the Islamic slavers.”

I would happily peg you to join AC as one of the top 3 OLO posters in danger of following said nob-head.

Now here you are, slinging off statistics like your idol our most loathsome Senator.
http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/wherestheoutrage.jpg

Dear Shadow Minister,

You claim; “You are not blaming this atrocity on the single gunman that acted alone but on everyone that opposes immigration or is concerned about the Islamic terrorism.”

Mate time and time again on this forum I have stated that I want immigration halved and you can be bloody sure I absolutely abhor Islamic terrorism just as much as I hate every form of terrorism. So why say it?

Paul_etc

"mhaze you might find some comfort in the perverted ravings of a lunatic, most of us don't."

Its not about seeking comfort Paul. Its about something you'll struggle to understand - the search for truth and understanding.

People like you and SR have simply decided what Tarrant's motives are and linked him with your political foes.

But it seems to me that if we want to understand or just comprehend his 'thinking' (such as it is) we need to look at what he said his motives and aims are. Just assuming his motives are what you'd hope they were is the opposite of searching for the truth.

The man called himself an eco-facists and green nationalist. He clearly bought the climate change hysteria and the population bomb trope. If, as you do, we are going to burden people who hold anti-mohomedian views as being responsible for his acts, then surely we can likewise burden climate/population fetishists with their share of responsibility.

Alternatively we can accept that extremists take reasonable views and extend them to extremes and that's their responsibility and their's alone. Seeking to use the attacks as a mechanism to shut-down speech you dislike works both ways, much as you'd prefer it didn't.

Belly,

"I fear my brain dying before my body,..."

Have no fear, if your brain is dead your body won't know about it.

Dear mhaze,

Oh for cry out loud.

Look mate, I had drafted a reply to your first post here which raised a couple of questions that deserved a measured response but everything since has been idiotic.

You claim; "People like you and SR have simply decided what Tarrant's motives are and linked him with your political foes.”

No, you like I, have read his 'manifesto' there are a hundred things we could pull out of it to support one bandwagon or another but there is one thing he made abundantly clear, his primary motivation was the birthrate of the invaders compared to the birthrate of white Europeans.

Hell he even repeated the same line three times as the three starting sentences of the bloody think;

“Introduction

It’s the birthrates.
It’s the birthrates.
It’s the birthrates.

If there is one thing I want you to remember from these writings, its that the birthrates must change. Even if we were to deport all Non-Europeans from our lands tomorrow, the European people would still be spiraling into decay and eventual death. Every day we become fewer in number, we grow older,we grow weaker. In the end we must return to replacement fertility levels, or it will kill us.”

This is exactly the same trope that Bazz and many others on this forum have repeatedly used to incite fear and loathing.

This was Gobell's and Hitler's and Mussolini's message too.

“The Battle for Births began in 1927: Mussolini introduced a number of measures to encourage reproduction, with an objective of increasing the population from 40 million to 60 million by 1950. Loans were offered to married couples, with part of the loan cancelled for each new child, and any married man who had more than six children was made exempt from taxation. Mussolini, who had developed a cult of personality, argued that the Italian people had a duty to himself to produce as many children as possible”
Wikipedia

We have had small echoes of it here with 'one for mum, one for dad, and one for the nation'.

Cont..

Cont..

To label this as anything but coming from the right is just wilful misdirection.

Now I am happy to further discuss the rightwing nutjob because like you I think it is important to examine his motives. My hope is that it might cause some on this forum to reassess their rhetoric and fearmongering and to recognise that words do have an impact.

I have been wondering if the killer was ever a contributor to this forum though he seems to have preferred the Chan boards.

As for me picking on the gun fetishers as well I will leave you with this. I can't speak to its veracity or the truthfullness and there is a language warning but it may well be another part of the puzzle.
http://www.facebook.com/memmbachewbaccha/videos/1887326531378466/

"In the defence of its imperial interests
it has precipitated two world wars"

In another thread I mentioned the lack of historic understanding and the anxiety to not know history that fails to support preconceived viewpoints.

Britain precipitated two world wars? When reading this view, you can just stop there. Its the most insane and inane assertion I've seen for some time and reflects someone whose hatred of the British overwhelms clear thinking and rational historic understanding. No need to examine the other claims, but if you do you see unsupported assertion based on unsupported assertion.

Dear Foxy,

Just letting you know I did attend a mosque today in a big regional town near us. It was the first religious building I had attended in quite a while outside a marriage or a funeral.

It was an open day with a memorial to those who had lost their lives in NZ but it turned out to be much more than that. There were religious leader from pretty well all the major faiths there as well as both state and federal politicians.

Unfortunately but understandably there was also an evident police presence both inside and out.

But the people there were incredibly welcoming and grateful. Food was passed around and when women were entering the mosque many asked if they needed to wear a headscarf and the answer was always for them to do whatever they were comfortable with.

There were strong messages of solidarity and I was pretty proud of those Australians who took the time to attend. We really do step up on occasions like this. Restored the faith a little.

There was a brief moment which showed some of the fear and tension that must have been under the surface. Some Kiwis showed up and did an impromptu Haka outside near the door I was beside. The first blood curdling yell had some of those next to me sitting bolt upright with fear on their faces. The relief was palpable once they realised what it was resulting in some nervous giggling.

It is only a small gesture but I was glad to have attended.

So SR, you fully intend to ignore those parts of Tarrant's thinking as reflected in his manifesto which covers things that you might agree with?

If you assume that his views on Mohomedians accurately reflect those of others who are anti-Mohomedian then it must take quite an gymnastic effort to assume his views on climate change and the environment don't accurately reflect those of others who are climate/environment/population fetishists.

An effort you seemed to have mastered.

Again, my view is that his views and his actions don't reflect on or discredit the views of others who aren't advocating violence.

And that those who want to link his views with their political enemies are merely misusing the massacre to try to shut down their political opponents

Dear mhaze,

What?

The word he uses 57 times is “invaders”, not climate change or the environment or whatever other ism you want to deflect this to.

Sure he claims ”I am an Ethno-nationalist Eco-fascist.” but he clearly disassociates himself from the left;

“For too long we have allowed the left to co-opt the environmentalist movement to serve their own needs. The left has controlled all discussion regarding environmental preservation whilst simultaneously presiding over the continued destruction of the natural environment itself through mass immigration and uncontrolled urbanization, whilst offering no true solution to either issue.”

This is pretty disingenuous from you mate. At the memorial today one of the pollies claim “He was not an Australian”. Her reasoning? Because we are supposedly a tolerant people.

Of course he is an Australian and we are going to have to live with that and face up to what it means. He is also a rightwinger and that extra burden falls to your side of politics. It is up to you lot to step up a bit further than the rest of us and confront that fact rather than shirking it.

Dear Steele,

I'm so pleased that you did go to a mosque today.

I said a few prayers at Mass this morning.

I still find it difficult how one human being
could have done these atrocities to other human beings.
Especially during a time when people are praying in
their place of worship.

Hatred is like a cancer - and unfortunately it seems
to be spreading. I think that people who persist in
spreading hatred against others need to be held
accountable. We need to differentiate between what is
hate speech and what is free speech. We need to draw
a line that must not be crossed. When people scream
about the right of freedom of speech - they need to
stop and think how it affects the people at whom the
hate is directed. The people who are being targeted.

Very sad, very sad that a place like New Zealand should
after having recovered from earthquakes now has this
to get over.

Not to defend this outrage but, when it's a muslim terrorist its lone wolf, but when it's a white supremacist its not?

Your husband is a bright man
Belly,
coming from you the poor husband must feel just so insulted.
Anyhow, no-one's even trying to look at the root of all this trouble, stupidity ! Foxy does nothing but scroll through Google to find bad stuff on white men as do Paul1405 & Steele Redux.
I can only put that down to some degree of the root of the problems.
My guess is that no matter how many more such dreadful deeds are perpetrated, these do-gooders will continue to object to a National Service which would give troubled young people a different & more sober view of life & living with others. As stupidity is a side product of indiscipline I wonder about the mentality of those who object to enlightenment. There was one perpetrator but there are many do-gooders who now have blood on their hands too.
Will they now work towards a solution ? No, all they'll do is continue to ridicule those who care !
Tearing at scabs is their expertise & rubbing salt into the wound is a refection of their character.
I just hope the NZ atrocity will make the mollycoddled, multi-racial self-righteous creed brigade wake up to become worthy people !

SteeleRedux Quote "He is also a rightwinger and that extra burden falls to your side of politics. It is up to you lot to step up a bit further than the rest of us and confront that fact rather than shirking it."

** Just out of interest who are you calling on to speak out against the people who perpetrated atrocities in Australia and other countries in the name of Islam. **

Quote "Of course he is an Australian" You finally got something right problem is he is only one of over 25 million.

Foxy More crying for this event far more than she ever gave to victims of Islamic radicals Quote "Very sad, very sad that a place like New Zealand should after having recovered from earthquakes now has this
to get over."

Your bias shines so brightly an appropriate nickname for you would be Lighthouse

'The Al Noor mosque in Christchurch targeted by Brenton Tarrant produced at least two terrorists, from a very small congregation: al-Qaida recruit Daryl Jones, killed by a drone, and Christopher Havard. The parents of these boys say their sons were radicalized by extremist preachers at Al Noor. The boys were in Yemen with the guys who trained the Charlie Hebdo killers. A 2014 story at Stuff.co.nz (now scrubbed from the internet) quotes a mosque attendee who says, “A visiting speaker from Indonesia talked about violent jihad and plenty shared his views.” Three questions: How many news reports have you read these details in? If you’d known that this mosque was a terrorist factory, would it have changed your feelings about the news at all? Finally, how does it make you feel to learn that the media has been not just ignoring these facts but deleting stories to hide them over the past 24 hours' posted by Milo Yiannopoulos

no wonder Milo has been banned.

Throw an egg at someone in Western Australia get charged, throw an egg at someone in Victoria guess what police are not going to charge him.

Assault charge for alleged egg thrower - 9 Jul 2010, 4:55pm

Police have charged a Perth man with assault after he allegedly threw an egg at Prime Minister Julia Gillard this morning.

The egg whizzed past Ms Gillard as she entered the ABC Perth foyer and hit a female security guard before smashing against a wall.

** People wonder why the crime rate in Victoria is so low. **

No matter how the rabid right forum Islamophobs try to justify the atrocity committed by of one of their murderous own from the word he wrote, the fact is his actions speak for themselves, he killed 50 innocent people for no other reason than they were Muslim. Like you lot he has an irrational hatred and fear of these people. Good to see that tens of thousands of Australians turned out today to lend sympathy and support to those affected by this tragedy. It well and truly shows you haters represent the beliefs of the crazed one percent.

BTW; Anning was with the like minded today, friends and supporters at a Queensland gun show.

runner you are pathetic.

'No matter how the rabid right forum Islamophobs try to justify the atrocity committed by of one of their murderous own from the word he wrote, the fact is his actions speak for themselves, he killed 50 innocent people for no other reason than they were Muslim.'

yep well I am for the death penalty for this murderer. How about you Paul?

800,000 ignorant yahoos are said the have signed a petition to have Senator Anning removed from parliament. They haven't heard of the Parliamentary Privileges Act 1987, which, even if other politicians were prepared to give up that protection, could not be amended or dropped before the next election.

800,000 dropkicks will just have to continue wailing and gnashing their teeth until, in a few days time, their goldfish memories will allow them to move onto something else they don't understand.

Philip S, the best you can come up with is defection to a teenage egg thrower. Gee in your eyes the action of the egg thrower is on a par with the actions of a psychopathic murderer. We have news for you, and its not from your UK Scandal Sheet.
You can join runner in the pathetic boys corner.

Would anyone like to take a bet if we go back through Paul1405's history we will not find he has ever put up a thread like this for any of the victims of Islamic terrorists?

This is the same Paul1405 who congratulated Belly on a posted comment.

Here is a quote from that comment "I know Islamists are our enemies But walking in to a place of worship? unarmed people How truly gutless, how truly evil how truly dumb"

Good call Paul you support blaming the victims just like belly.

Islamists are not my enemy or of most of the people on here radicalized people are.

ONE MILLION rabid know nothings have put their name to that, me being one of them'
Any chance, any at all, that poster above is totally out of touch with this country
We justly hate terrorists, gutless murderers
Show me how this human filth who shot people on their knees is different
Hate speech is going to be watched much more, as it should be
Hate is often linked to low ability to understand the world as it is

Some of the most vile posts have been by opportunistic left whingers who have attempted to link the attack in Christchurch with conservative posters on this forum.

Just about every conservative poster has condemned the attack in no uncertain terms, which is in stark contrast to the posting history of the left whingers who have seldom if ever condemned the attacks on churches or Jews.

That is disgraceful.

"Armchair Critic, probably the most disgusting post on this thread thus far. As I said we have some here, right out of the box!"

Well I would've tried a little harder had I deliberately set out to get up your nose Paul.

But one can't really with validity overstate or understate the truth.
The truth is just the truth...

I think your comment is similarly disgusting, that you advocate collective punishment on NZ gun-owners for the actions of one man.

"New Zealand can now get tough with the Rambo's and put them fairly and squarely in their place!
In my view it's again time for a major overhaul of Australia's somewhat tardy gun laws as well."

I'm one of the few people in this country that actually tells the truth without butt-kissing some suffocating PC agenda;
You should be grateful for people like me, unless you prefer the liars.

You can beat me with truth, ethics, and arguments that hold merit;
And if you cannot, then go kick yourself off a cliff.

So how about you put your big-boy pants on and grow up a bit.
- I've never killed anyone you idiot -

Not the case at all Shadow;

//But to the greater Muslim community I'm laughing my head off, sucked in, I don't care.// Armchair Critic

//Armchair Critic, I agree with you, and with the empathy you expressed.// HenryL

In with that pair I throw Bazz, Philip S and mhaze to name but three, whose line of argument echos the same sentiments.

Then there was your first comment;

"I wondered who would raise this as a topic, I guess that it would be a left whinger banging on about right wing extremists, and I was not disappointed." The cold bloody murder of 50 innocent people is "banging on", no compassion, no sympathy for the victims or their families.

How about a comment on your man Morrison from the ABC report, that when the Coalition was doing badly (when weren't they) Morrison suggested to Cabinet they kick the Muslim can as a way of lifting their political fortunes, Morrison was slapped down by Bishop and Turnbull. Give them a bit of the Howard lie, the 'Tampa Affair' and children overboard.

"Look at you my friend, ticking every single box that the nob head did. Zero empathy, obvious hatred for outsiders, spending far to much time on race baiting conspiracy sites, easily manipulated, has the mantra down pat, probably single, attention seeker, and probably in the top three of OLO posters Your mindset could take you down the same path."

Firstly, empathy was shown, unless you were skim-reading.
So you can't go saying I'm a psychopath.

Secondly, it's not 'obvious hatred for outsiders', you assume.
What it actually is: hatred for a foreign UN multicultural agenda which is deliberately tearing this nation at the seams;
Born from my love of this country and the people who 'traditionally' lived in it.

I want the future of this country decided by Aussies not foreigners;
Real Aussies not Australian Globalists, and if you don't like my opinion or objections in relation to our current path, tough.
I have every right to express my opinions without be labelled terrorist.

Thirdly it's the sites you read which drive race and minority agendas.
Probably the same crap which praised the little egg-cracker this morning.

'Easily manipulated':
Unless, you understand how actual manipulation ACTUALLY works;
with 'Blame Card' 'Guilt Card' 'Victim Card' 'Using emotions no-one can argue with' etc.
Then don't talk to me about being easily manipulated.

Entire country should take an advanced course: 'How not to be manipulated' imo.
Manipulation pours from every orifice of our media.

You're just annoyed it doesn't work on me and that I'm not 'presenting' for you with my ass-cheeks pulled apart like everyone else.

"Your mindset could take you down the same path".
No, I've got ethics, and won't support an 'end justifies the means' mentality.
I'm certainly NOT going to jail for ALL you idiots that voted to allow this to happen.
You want to destroy the country being useful idiots to the two-party paradigm that supports globalism.
I'm not going to destroy my life trying to right the wrongs you lot created thinking that democracy was working in our interests.

I'll just blame the useful idiots like yourselves.

Good to see your posts again Armchair Critic.

Nobody bothers to ask me why 'I don't care'.

The reason I don't care is because in this battle; between globalists pushing a multicultural PC agenda and nations existing sovereign citizens - I support the nations existing sovereign citizens, every time.

I'm not going to support foreigners who are happy to walk dog-shite into the nations carpet and don't support our laws or way of life.
All you have to do is scream 'racist' and most of you people would be happily to let a Muslim crap right in your loungeroom floor to try to prove you aren't racist.

I'll save all my empathy for the Australian victims of this stupid globalist agenda.
I never invited the Muslims or anyone else to come here.
I support the ones who say "Stop Islamic immigration".

And I'm sick of being lectured and bullied into compliance by leftist political and global interests;
- i.e. 'foreigners interests'.

I don't support what Tarrant did, but I don't have to care either.

Dear AC,

Okay so the takeaway message from your posts is that egg-boy exercises your thinking rather than a mass murderer.

You might be comfortable with that but I will let you in on a little secret, 99% of the Australians I know would consider that abnormal and concerning.

Not that we don't know there are small pockets of this country where this morally bereft thinking has hold, but it isn't how we like to think of ourselves as a nation.

And no, I certainly will not strike you of my list of someone who would entertain such murderous thoughts as your primary concern isn't for the innocent lives you would take but rather the likely prison term and how it would ruin your life.

Paul1405 Quote "You can join runner in the pathetic boys corner." I hope your mum packed you a nice lunch before sending you of to primary school, your words are what one would expect from that age group.

** Paul1405 I notice you failed to address this point. **

"Would anyone like to take a bet if we go back through Paul1405's history we will not find he has ever put up a thread like this for any of the victims of Islamic terrorists?"

SteeleRedux Quote "Dear AC, Okay so the takeaway message from your posts is that egg-boy exercises your thinking rather than a mass murderer."

** Odd how I received almost the same from Paul1405, plagiarizing not good form.

Posted by Paul1405 "Philip S, Gee in your eyes the action of the egg thrower is on a par with the actions of a psychopathic murderer."
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Belly Where was your outrage before when atrocities were carried out by Islamic terrorists, you go overboard here by comparison.

A quote from here by Belly "If Christ existed there would be a very special place in Hell for those using this thread to repeat anti Muslim trash" Posted by Belly, Saturday, 16 March 2019 3:27:21 PM

Then later we have "I know Islamists are our enemies" Posted by Belly, Sunday, 17 March 2019 4:21:25 AM

** Looks like you just reserved your place in hell. **

** Islamists are not my enemy radicalized people are **

Dear Steele, Paul, Belly,

Political commentators tell us that the white nationalist
movement is spreading worldwide pushing lone-wolf attacks.
The live-streamed massacre of now 50 in New Zealand mosques
underlines the reach of the movement that preaches so called
imagined "European ideals", rejects immigration, and shares
vicious threats and attacks over the internet.

Mr Anning, and apparently quite a few on this forum are
influenced by this line of thinking. That should not come
as a surprise to any thinking person considering the
history of this country. The following link explains further:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/mar/17/australians-are-asking-how-did-we-get-here-well-islamophobia-is-practically-enshrined-as-public-policy

Terry Barnes came out against common sense this morning in The Spectator by saying:

"Starting with Morrison and Dutton, we must demand answers from those supposed to protect us and the rest of the world from dangerous Australians.

A single, dangerous Australian. What about the dangerous non-Australians who are actually a danger to Australians. Tarrant was never a danger to Australians or our country. Morrison and Dutton have no duty care to New Zealand or non-Australians.

Paul and other intelligent posters
Note the quite silly slur, and know my post history reinforced my view all terrorist are filth insane and need removing
I REFUSE TO TALK TO THAT POSTER
We will see rednecks murder more in the same insane mold as the offender
We will see reprisals, because of that act
The answer is and always will be, getting the Muslim community [by far the biggest number of victims] to continue working with us to rid the planet of Islamic terrorists
And now true low filth have started to murder?
Suffer far less freedom on the net as authorities demand an end to hate speech

Watch the UKs experience with chasing "hate speech".
The UK police have been charged with that duty.
It has developed to the extent that George Orwell's 1984 has become true.
When someone posts a comment that attracts their interest they then
investigate you and question you on your thoughts !
They actually ask what you were thinking when you wrote the post in question.
True it is not a joke they really are doing that.

I did see one comment by a German, that the Stasi are back and are
chasing people up over what they write and say. However does not seem
to be reported a lot.

Beware the public servants keenness to become the public masters.
I wonder if all this Anning Hate Speech is generating files.
After all pollies are sensitive about threats.

funny enough I have not heard one hateful word from Anning. You could argue insensitive or bad timing but hate? Death to the Jews, death to the infidels, mock beheadings of Trump, nothing to see? Oh well just when you think the left could not possibly get any more irrational.

Belly YOU said __ "I know Islamists are our enemies" __YOU NO ONE ELSE.

** At least have the intelligence to say you made a mistake or meant something else. **

** Unless you clarify your statement it will be associated with you at every opportune time. **

Foxy Your link is so far left Jason Wilson deliberately leaves out the atrocities perpetrated against others by Islamic inspired teachings and radicals.

** Biased links are one of your specialties, you have outdone yourself with that one. **

Paul,

Your banging on about right wing extremists would not be so bad if you also banged on about the Islamic extremists responsible for far more attacks on civilians. But coming from a party of known anti semites, I shouldn't be surprised.

To make it worse, you and some anti semites on the site are quite happy to disgustingly try and link this horrific massacre to the conservative members of the site.

Perhaps with the next Islamic attack I will refer to your responsibility.

Paul1405 To make matters worse Belly said "I know Islamists are our enemies" in a comment above and you complimented him by saying "Hi Belly, well said,"

Please explain?

Anning's utterances are rightly to be construed as untimely and insensitive, but they are not far from the mark.

Just how could the murderer at the mosque have been stopped?

Has anyone got any constructive answers?

Is Mise

'Has anyone got any constructive answers?'

answers to what? The killers motivations, is it possible to stop it happening again?, was the murders more influenced by free 'hate' speach as the leftist claim or by total lack failure by Governments in put a spotlight on Mohammed's teachings and shutting down and labelling anyone who does a bigot or Islamophobe? Personally I don't believe Governments,press or the left want constructive answers because to a large degree they ignored all warnings and are responsible for the mess. The sad part is that this tragic event will just push things deeper under the carpet.

Philip S.,

I told individual on another thread - and I shall
repeat it for your benefit here.
Putting up links to broaden discussions is
normal in debating. If you can dispute what is
being said you usually provide evidence for your
own claims. Attacking people is a sign of insecurity
and intellectually lazy. If you disagree with what
Jason Wilson claimed in the link I gave earlier -
show us where he's wrong with evidence.

Is Mise,

How could the young bloke have been stopped?
Read the link I gave earlier.
And then take an intelligent guess.

The appalling, smug sneering and leering of Leftist posters is summed up by Arthur Chrenkoff in his blog, where he has posted a piece titled 'Never let a crisis go to waste’.

He writes: “One of the consequences of the terrorist attack on Christchurch mosques will be an reinvigorated effort by the left to silence and censor speech and debate on topics they consider out of bounds”.

He put up some ridiculous tweets as examples, but he could also be talking about the Leftist posters here.

Tarrant was apparently concerned about mass immigration (as many of us are) and the 'replacement’ of locals. He describes it as 'white genocide’, which is no more weird that the self-haters’ yabber about aboriginal genocide, if you are into that sort of thing.

So, from that point of view, Fraser Anning's and Milo Yiannopoulos's comments that the atrocity was about immigration are true, even if the knee-jerkers don't like it. Chrenkoff goes as far as to say that the use of firearms instead of a bomb is to increase the rage of the gun banners, cause further polarisation, which could lead to general civil warfare. The loud-mouth Left might like to pause in their bellowing and ponder that one.

Tarrant is many of the things these Leftist jerks scream at people to shut them up, and he admits it; so the name-calling is not going to be of much use in the future it seems, comrades.

Dear runner,

Sorry mate but that wasn't the answer our good ol Is Mise was after. He wants a shiny new special constable's badge so he can walk around with a concealed weapon to 'stop those pesky terrorists in their tracks'.

Dear Is Mise,

You are starting to get a little embarrassing young fella. might be time to put a sock in it.

SBS says that PM Ardern has "burnished" her leadership with her public emoting and dressing like a Muslim to hug people. That would have been her intention. That's politics. There's nothing like a food tragedy as far as politicians are concerned.

One poster wants his outrage noted, I want to note he has time and again lurched in to territory usually reserved for childish temper tantrums
I million plus poll saying they want Fraser Anning out of parliament
The world has expressed it shock and support for New Zealand
We are a better world for that kind of people existing
Not hate filled rants

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Shadow, just to let you know when the Lindt Cafe outrage was discussed on the Forum, like with this psychopathic killer I condemned that maniac as I condemn this maniac. Funny how the Forums rabid right were not cheering for that fellow in the same way they can be seen cheering for this maniac.

Do you agree with Armchair Critic //But to the greater Muslim community I'm laughing my head off, sucked in, I don't care.//

Were you laughing your head off as well. According to you "Just about every conservative poster has condemned the attack in no uncertain terms" Finding it hard to reconcile laughing ones head off, with condemning the attack.
I gave you five names of those who have used deflection, victimisation and minimisation to negate the whole incident as being all rather regrettable.

Philip S, it was clear in Belly's post, which I agreed with, that his reference to Islamist, was to mean those who in the name of Islam seek to commit outrages against innocent people, not meaning all Muslims. But if you want to make a fine point of it go right ahead. do you have a link to the UK Daily Mail on this, or is it not their kinda story. You know, refugees getting a concession to ride on the bus is far more news worthy with your lot.

Issy, if New Zealand had half decent gun laws, outlawing the sale of such destructive weapons as used in this atrocity, along with better surveillance of those holding gun licences, those nutters primed ready for action like this bloke, this may have been prevented. The Council of Licensed Firearm Owners (New Zealand) will be doing their best to thwart gun reform for the same selfish reason all other such organisation try to prevent gun control reforms.

Feeble, the only word to describe the usual suspects telling us we did not take a stand against ISLAMIC TERRORISTS
Blind too, in fact they know the charge is lunacy
Paul you cop it because you are never going to be from the lost right
But that should make you very proud
Post ScoMos defeat many will see the very right is very much out of touch with most of this country Anning a million plus and growing, love it

Shadow Minister said;
Perhaps with the next Islamic attack I will refer to your responsibility.

At the normal rate you won't have to wait long. The day after the
Christchurch massacre a report said 20 Christians had been killed
but another report said 88 had been killed. Not sure if it is the same
incident or another attack. I don't keep them as they would fill my hard drive.

a few more Israeli's killed over the weekend. Hamas handing out candy to celebrate! Silence from the loudest condemners of violence. I suppose sensible thinking people in Australia will know that the press are sort of like the UN. Hundreds of accusations and condemnations against Israel but silence when it comes to Hamas and Hezbolah.

Runner, I remember when the planes crashed into the Twin WTC Towers
seeing the moslems dancing in the streets and celebrating.
3000 dead, many from other countries including Australia and some
hundred firemen dead.

The odd thing is moslims kill more moslims than others do.
When I read of the attack on the Kabalah mosque by other moslims I only
felt sadness, I didn't dance in the street.
What do you feel when ancient monuments like Palmyra are being smashed
by sledge hammers ?

Foxy Your link above is totally biased Jason Wilson is totally one sided which equals biased.

Please supply his indignation to the following events.

List of Islamist terrorist attacks - by Foxy's favorite

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

** Thousands of dead and thousands injured. **

If Jason Wilson is not biased he would have had to make reference to at least some of the above. Not one reference to the deaths of thousands = biased.
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In Egypt, Islamists Attack Coptic Christian Pilgrims November 2, 2018

Islamic militants opened gunfire on two buses carrying Coptic Christians en route to an ancient monastery in Upper Egypt, killing seven and injuring more than eleven.

In 2017, attacks against Christians included two Coptic church bombings during Palm Sunday processions, killing over 45 people and injuring over 130. In May 2017, gunmen killed 28 Christians who were traveling to the same monastery that the Christians killed in Friday’s attack were visiting. In December 2017, an Islamic extremist shot and killed eleven people at a church in Helwan, Egypt.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/christians-egypt-unprecedented-persecution-report

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/islamist-terrorists-attack-coptic-christians-egypt/
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Belly makes further comments but fails to address the most contentious comment made by anyone here so far, therefore it means he stands by his statement and believes it 100%.
Belly YOU said __ "I know Islamists are our enemies" __

Paul1405 Quote "it was clear in Belly's post, which I agreed with, that his reference to Islamist, was to mean those who in the name of Islam seek to commit outrages against innocent people, not meaning all Muslims."
** If you are right why does he not say that, YOU are wrong it is clear what he said, you say "was to mean" rubbish only he can say what it was meant to mean, but in plain English __ "I know Islamists are our enemies" __ Means exactly what it says.

Steele,

"Sorry mate but that wasn't the answer our good ol [ole] Is Mise was after. He wants a shiny new special constable's badge so he can walk around with a concealed weapon to 'stop those pesky terrorists in their tracks'."

I'm 85, I don't think that I'd make the grade.

How do you think that the murderer could have been stopped?
Give us the benefit of your wisdom.

Foxy,

That's about prevention, not stopping; stopping comes after starting, so what's your take on how he could have been stopped?

Philip S.,

Your reply to Jason Wilson's article in The Guardian
that I cited earlier was not by showing us WHY the man
is wrong in what he wrote about "how did we get here?"
But by claiming the author is biased because he did not
write about the atrocities that Muslim extremists
commit.

Wilson was writing in this instance about what caused
a young man to do what he did. What influenced the young
man into taking the action that he took.

Perhaps you need to read it again so that you may get
the message. You seem to have missed the point entirely.

We're all aware of the atrocities that extremists commit.
However, the NZ incident was against peaceful-people
praying in their place of worship. I don't understand
you seem to be almost excusing the behaviour of this
very misguided young man - because of the behaviour of
Muslim extremists. Shame on you.

Foxy,

Did you pray at Mass for all the Egyptian Christians who were murdered whilst at their worship?

I don't remember your posts on the matter, perhaps they are with the posts about the Christians murdered in the Philipines?

Benn looking for Steele's as well, but no luck.

Phillip,
Foxy used to use links from 'New Matilda' But has changed to quote links from the 'Guardian'.

Can't say I have noticed much improvement after reading a few links recently.

WHERE is the world MSM on these very recent events.

While the media is focused on the New Zealand shootings, the recent death toll of Christians in Nigeria has reached 120 with this week’s slaughter of more than 50 by Fulani Muslim militants in the Kaduna state of Nigeria, the Christian Post reported.

The Fulani jihadists, who have become a greater threat to Nigerian Christians than the Islamist terror group Boko Haram, stormed the villages of Inkirimi, Dogonnoma, and Ungwan Gora in the Kajuru Local Government Area last Monday, destroying 143 homes, killing 52 people, and wounding dozens more.

The assailants reportedly split into three groups, the first of which fired upon the people, the second set fire to buildings, and the third chased down people fleeing from the scene. Victims of the assault included women and children.

Monday’s incident followed an attack the day before in the Ungwan Barde village in Kajuru, where 17 Christians were killed and dozens of homes were burned.

http://metrovoicenews.com/nigerian-muslim-militants-kill-120-christians-in-three-weeks-where-is-the-outrage/
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'Pure Genocide': Over 6,000 Nigerian Christians Slaughtered, Mostly Women and Children

Church leaders in Nigeria have said that Christians are experiencing "pure genocide" as 6,000 people, mostly women and children, have been murdered by Fulani radicals since January.

"What is happening in Plateau state and other select states in Nigeria is pure genocide and must be stopped immediately," said the Christian Association of Nigeria and church denominational heads in Plateau State in a press release last week.

The church leaders said that "over 6,000 persons, mostly children, women and the aged have been maimed and killed in night raids by armed Fulani herdsmen.,"

The press release also pleaded with the international community, as well as the United Nations, to intervene in the Fulani attacks, fearing they might spread to other countries as well.

** anyone see these in the MSM or Morrison lowering the flag or stupid celebrities crying. NO **

http://www.christianpost.com/news/pure-genocide-over-6000-nigerian-christians-slaughtered-mostly-women-children.html
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HenryL Thanks, that is why I included before one from the Guardian that she failed to show people, it probably did not fit with her agenda.

Is Mise,

I pray for the whole world.

For all of us to make a case for a
new humanist approach in which character and
humanity count more than skin colour,
heritage, religion, gender, sexuality, age,
and all the things that divide us.

I pray for patience and understanding, and for
all of us to be given the strength to see that
the war of identities must end, whether it is
on public discussion forums, in public life,
or blood stained places of worship.

Pray with me.

HenryL.,

I also referred to - The Australian, Sydney Morning
Herald, Herald Sun, New York Times, Washington Post,
The Spectator, Quadrant, and many, many, other
sources. I referred to books, magazines, films,
TV programs, and even to conversations with members
of the public, friends, neighbours, colleagues,
Family, and so on.

I trust you do the same.

Philip S.,

What is your agenda?

Foxy,

Have you managed to work out yet how the murderer in Christchurch could have been stopped?

Pray for guidance.

Steele,

I asked you the same question; made any progress yet or is it too hard?

Us Mie,

So ...... you're suggesting that somehow people in the left were at least partly responsible for the white-supremacist massacre in Christchurch ? That Foxy and Steele somehow should have done something to prevent Tarrant from murdering fifty people ?

The fact: that an Australian white-supremacist murdered fifty defenceless people in Christchurch. It seems nobody else was involved. There is no evidence that he was somehow a dupe of the left. He planned this attack over at least a couple of years, on his own.

Can you at least concede that ?

Joe

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personally I find white supremist abhorrent. They are however far outweighed by black supremist. Interesting that when any one of the dozens of Islamic attacks take place its always a lone wolf. I suspect this 'white supremist' and eco facist, while not alone in his murderous ideology is far more alone than the Islamist who rejoice over the deaths of Jews and infidels. Few if any Australians including Fraser Anning would be rejoicing over these deaths. I certainly for one would not even post if I felt I was contributing to any deaths. The reality is the restriction of free speech and open debate about Islam, Marxism, abortion or any other contentious topic produces time bombs. It appears that the likes of abc etc have felt its alright for 50 years to mock, ridicule and demonise Christians. A number of olo posters are no different. Definetly double standards.

Dear runner,

You wrote;

"I certainly for one would not even post if I felt I was contributing to any deaths."

Rarely, very rarely actually, the clouds seem to lift and you come out with something halfway decent, and it would be churlish of me not to acknowledge it.

Thank you.

'
Rarely, very rarely actually, the clouds seem to lift and you come out with something halfway decent, and it would be churlish of me not to acknowledge it.

Thank you.

well Steelie with all due respects if a peace loving community depended on your snarling, dishonesty and views I am sure we would be all stuffed.

There are some here looking for a public service job as chief censor
and administer of correct thought.
China has developed a system that would make them very happy as they
could hear everything said,everywhere the target went complete with video,
everything typed on their keyboards, even everything they thought.

Stating the truth is no excuse, the censor is not interested in such
irrelevancies as what is important is not to stress their delicate
equilibrium with facts.
The attack on free speech is more dangerous than any terrorist.

And with all due respects as well your vision of the world would have your lot gathering stones to 'sort out' gays and those who have had an abortion.

But that is not to say very occasionally we find common ground. Of course it is unlikely to happen with any great regularity so we should acknowledge it when it happens.

Which I just did.

'And with all due respects as well your vision of the world would have your lot gathering stones to 'sort out' gays and those who have had an abortion.'

as I said Steelie your dishonesty is breath taking.

Bazz, there is a difference between free speech and hate speech. What Steele posted from 2014 shows you indulge in hate speech. You are defiantly an Islamophobe.

Shadow, where is your response to the ABC report which was aired again tonight, that Morrison tried to engage the Coalition in "kicking the Muslim Can" for political gain. Do you still support the Abbott assertion that no one has ever been harmed by an Islamophobe.

What about the other aspiring leader that dud Dutton, a dog whistler who plays a dirty game of vilification for political gain. Do you still support Morrison, Abbott and Dutton.

What about that lying grub Howard trying to exploit the Christchurch tragedy by linking the Labor Party in NSW to softer gun laws. Desperate and disgusting I say.

Paul1405,
You need a frontal lobotomy & need a bottle in front of me !

Paul,
The difference between hate speech and what I have said is that
I NEVER at anytime advocated violence.
That is the line not to be crossed !
You need to understand the meaning of the word.
You can argue with me about what I have said, whether it is wrong or
right and if we cannot discuss the subjects mentioned in my posts
then that is censorship.
The accusation of Islamaphobia is an excuse to prevent free speech and
is a tool used to restrict what you talk about.
The suffix phobia means revulsion or fear of to what it is attached.
It is a bluff, Oh you terrible person that is Islamaphobia !
All that shows is that you do not have any answer to another's argument.

PS I will be glad when we can get back to arguing about electricity.

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I'm still trying to get hold of the toxic comments by Anning. All I have read thus far is straight forward logical & what most people said. Can anyone please post the toxic version ?

Asked by news.com.au whether the 17-year-old’s actions where worthy of such praise, Mr Shorten defended the teenager.
“He’s not a villain,” he said.
“He’s a frustrated young person looking at the toxic nature of what this man’s saying… I understand where he’s coming from.”
Mr Shorten didn’t completely excuse the egging, saying if one of his own children had done the same, “I’d say that’s not the way to get your view across”.
But he went on to criticise the actions of the men who tackled Mr Collins after incident.
“How many neo-nazi loving thugs does it take to wrestle a 17-year-old?” he said.
“I think the reaction by the goons around the Senator was so over the top, it just actually shows you what we’re dealing with in the fringe elements of Australia.”

I posted this on wrong post

really interesting to read through Tarrant's manifesto. Multiple conclusions will be drawn from it but he blames the rape by a muslim immigrant of an 11 year old school girl in Sweden for tipping him over the edge. He also attributes Candace Owen (must admit I never heard of her) as being very influential. Believe it or not she supported Hilary in the last US election and now supports Trump. She is a black African. He liked the way Owen exposed the 'lying liberal establishment. He seemed to have mixed views on Trump.

Paul1405 Quote "there is a difference between free speech and hate speech." Your quote plus your congratulations to Belly for this comment __ "I know Islamists are our enemies" __ shows you both indulge in hate speech. You both are defiantly Islamophobic.

You tried to get out of it by saying Belly meant - - BUT you could not know what he meant only he could and he has not corrected what he said so it stands.

Dear runner,

Yes the rape of young girls can often be a call to arms. When five Christian soldiers raped, then killed Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi along with her family it became a rallying call.

"The Mahmudiyah rape and killings involved the gang-rape and killing of 14-year-old Iraqi girl Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi and the murder of her family by United States Army soldiers on March 12, 2006. It occurred in the family's house to the southwest of Yusufiyah, a village to the west of the town of Al-Mahmudiyah, Iraq. Others of al-Janabi's family killed included her 34-year-old mother Fakhriyah Taha Muhasen, 45-year-old father Qassim Hamza Raheem, and six-year-old sister Hadeel Qassim Hamza Al-Janabi."

I wonder what atrocities their actions justify?

mhaze If you have the manifesto check for anything related to this statement, seems like BS but cost nothing to check.
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If you are reading this from the U.S., beware: The goal of the shooter was to cause a crackdown on gun rights in the U.S.! His manifesto was clear on this point:

Won’t your attack result in calls for the removal of gun rights from Whites in the United states? Yes, that is the plan all along, you said you would fight to protect your rights and the constitution, well soon will come the time.

Whatever is actually going on with this incident, New Zealand is just the top of the iceberg.
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Lot of crackpots around but it does not hurt to see if there is some validity in what some say. A quick search for various words and see if there is any connection with the above.

Thanks

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-18/christchurch-comments-see-man-banned-from-internet/10913566
If we read this link, and give considered thought to its contents, we must surely see many more may find them selve in this type of trouble
Hate is no answer
Muslim terrorists, thankfully, are a minority of that faith
White supremacists are a minority of our community
Both feed on lies, both are a threat to our way of life
Once we,here in this country, could rightfully look in disgust at Americas KKK now we have our own, sharing a common baseless hate and fear of? you tell me
But do not tell me every Muslim is a terrorist, it is as dumb as saying every Catholic is a pedophil

[Deleted for defamation. Poster has been suspended for a month.]

It is literally beyond belief that here, in 2019, there are still people who think two wrongs make a right !
With that mentality still abounding is it any wonder conflict flourishes ?
The guilty blaming the decent is nothing short of insanity !

I have googled Fraser Anning to find out what he actually said that got people so riled up. Has it been removed from the Internet because I can't seem to find it ?

'When five Christian soldiers raped, then killed Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi along with her family it became a rallying call.'

and which killers manifesto was this written on Steelie. Making up lies again in order to avoid even trying to get the facts. You are definetely part of the problem along with the lying liberal media.

and which brand of Christian might these 5 soldiers be Steelie. From Amercia they are just as likely to be eco facist like yourself.

SR

Your comment: "So why on earth should any of us 'lot' take any responsibility for a Islamic terrorist attack? We are not using the same style of inflammatory language, nor stoking similar fears of the other, nor making calls to action as the Islamic inspired terrorists."

Of course you are.

"What is really sobering is that NZ had been pretty much free of the threat of Islamic terrorism due not in a small part by the fact they were not involved in bombing in the ME. Yet this is where this loser chose to slaughter so many innocent people.' is revolting victim blaming of innocent Aussies.

Your overt support of the terrorist Hamas also queers your pitch.

I also note that the complete silence of the left for Islamic massacres of church goers such as the one in Jakarta a couple of months ago. The recent attempt by Aussie muslims to bomb a Sydney plane etc.

Of the 85 people arrested for terrorist related offenses in Aus recently how many were white supremacists? Guess.

I'd still like an answer to the question of what could have been done to stop the murderer in NZ?

Steele,

Have you considered how you anti-gun owner fanatics have contributed to the safety which terrorists have come to enjoy in our society?

A society where it is an offence to possess anything for the purpose of self defence?

Feel proud of yourselves, your sacred anti-gun laws have never stopped a criminal or a terrorist yet.

The murderer of Curtis Cheng was stopped (permanently) by armed men, Special Constables, men who would not have been armed if the rabid antis had their way.

Shadow Minister,
Islamic apologists are no better than the extremists, as are all apologists for extremists in everything !
Steele Redux et al are so hell-bent on making two wrongs a right, they'll never get it right.
They are cogs in the gears of violence ! Surely that has become crystal clear from their posting past. Depriving them of the oxygen they waste is the most effective way to combat their insidious agenda !

Have a read of this about the plight of Christians in the Central African Republic.
http://www.opendoorsusa.org/christian-persecution/world-watch-list/central-african-republic/

Now tell me where I can join the multitude laying flowers on a street corner somewhere.

How can I find the ABC coverage and the condemnation by the PM, Labor and the Greens et al?

“Terrorism is the price we pay for living in a diverse open society” (Sinclair Davidson, Catallaxy Files).

If it wasn't for stupid politicians who think nothing of endangering us and our country in their experiments with social engineering and vote gathering, we would never have had the toxic 'diverse open society’ which brings the price. We were never asked if we wanted a diverse society. It was forced on us by dictatorial, treacherous Australian politicians. It is they who should be paying the 'price’.

The first price that needs to be charged is at the ballot box. Do not vote for the current crop of politicians, socialist Green/Labor or gutless LNP. Let's see what a voters’ strike does to them.

Philip S,

Yes I do have the manifesto. Unlike most I feel its important to see what Tarrant thinks were his motives rather than simply relying on others to tell us what his motives were, motives that they simply assign to him because it suits their political agenda.

Yes, he does talk about the incident instigating a left wing backlash in the US and further attempts to remove the 2nd amendment. His thinking is that this will cause increased resistance from the pro-2A people and it will descend into a civil war. Ultimately his hope is that North America will end up being broken up into tribal/ethnic groups, re-establishing white dominance of the continent.

We continue to be told that he is of the right. But the manifesto shows him opposing conservatism and capitalism. He's an environmentalist and admires Red China over all other nations. Right wing extremist? Hardly.

In addition to the manifesto, I also decided to watch the video. Initially I was going to avoid it but when the NZ government made watching it illegal and Australia was making similar noises, it became clear I had no choice but to watch it. If they want to take away my rights, I have a duty to use them. The video is certainly confronting in parts but, again, it ought to be watched to understand how this went down.

Also from the manifesto, he says that he was radicalised in mid
2017 while in Europe. This was after he left Australia. But that will be suppressed so as to continue to accuse the right in Australia.

One final issue that won't be discussed - 40+ died in the first mosque, 7 in the second. The difference? No one fought back in the first. Someone somehow armed themselves in the second and did fight back.

Interesting isn't it that clowns like Steely think it is OK for lefties to physically attack anyone they disagree with, & get all upset if the attacked retaliates in any way.

Remember the whining by the attackers when a couple of them attacked Andrew Bolt when he was going quietly about his life.

I suggest the lefties start keeping their hands to themselves, they don't appear tough enough to handle it when the attacked defend themselves.

Do be careful Steely, or real life just might come along & smack you in the face, but if it is not a lefty doing the smacking, they won't do it from behind your back.

"A man who was inside a Christchurch mosque when it was attacked has been hailed as a hero for confronting the gunman, chasing him off and preventing more deaths.

Instead, he picked up the first thing he could find — a credit card machine — and ran outside screaming "Come here!"

Mr Aziz, 48, has been praised for saving many people inside by leading the gunman on a cat-and-mouse chase before scaring him into speeding away in his car.[ at the first sign of resistance the coward fled, he probably thought that Aziz had a weapon]

But Mr Aziz, whose four sons and dozens of others remained in the mosque while he faced off with the gunman, said he thinks it is what anyone would have done.

A close up of Abdul Aziz, who has dark brown eyes, dark hair flecked with grey, and light stubble.
PHOTO: Abdul Aziz, 48, is being hailed as a hero for preventing more deaths during Friday prayers at the Linwood mosque. (AP: Vincent Thian)

He is believed to have killed 42 people at the Al Noor mosque before driving about 5 kilometres across town and attacking the Linwood mosque, where he killed seven more people."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-17/christchurch-shooter-rushed-by-worshipper-abdul-aziz/10908992

Key points:
Abdul Aziz distracted the gunman as his youngest sons begged him to return inside the Linwood mosque
He found a discarded gun and pulled the trigger, but it was empty
Mr Aziz was born in Afghanistan but left as a refugee and lived in Australia for 25 years
Abdul Aziz did not hide when the shooter advanced toward the Linwood mosque during Friday prayers, killing those in his path.

While we try to work out who's to blame for Christchurch, it seems the left in the USA already know...it was caused by Chelsea Clinton!

Please stop laughing...this is serious.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/chelsea-clinton-accosted-by-muslim-students-at-christchurch-terror-attack-vigil/news-story/cf911146702f4a5cb855a6815e0f1cf9

But don't ever tell Paul/SR/Belly that the left are just using the massacre for political purposes...they'll get all high-and-mighty in their indignation.

mhaze,
I'm waiting for our brigade to blame the conservative made GW for the massacre ! Oh, and, of course, Joh Bjelke Petersen.

yeah individual, the killer was wearing a maga hat. Just ask Justin Smollet and Steelie. Lies and misrepresentation is part of the days work.

Paul1405 I got banned before for 24 hours before for calling you a liar. I am now calling you a liar for your past comment. Graham, Paul1405 needs to back up these statements if he can't he needs to be challenged for the lies. If he can prove them I accept being banned but if he can't he should suffer the consequences.

Quote "Phil, for years on the forum you have trotted out your vile anti Muslim rhetoric, trying to apply a broad brush to all as evil subversives intent on world domination. Time and again you claimed that all Muslims, because of their religion, were subverting Australian society. In your world view no Muslim could be trusted, there was no such thing as a moderate Muslim, all wanted Islam to dominate over all others."

Provide evidence of these accusations.
1 Time and again you claimed that all Muslims, because of their religion, were subverting Australian society.

2 In your world view no Muslim could be trusted, there was no such thing as a moderate Muslim, all wanted Islam to dominate over all others.

3 Accord to you Australia was in danger of being overrun by Muslims in the form of asylum seeking refugees.

** Your evidence has to be direct statements I have made, not your usual made up versions. **
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Your quote congratulating Belly for this comment __ "I know Islamists are our enemies" __ shows you both indulge in hate speech. You both are defiantly Islamophobic.

He may have since said other thing BUT he still does not retract or provide an explanation for the above statement he made, which is the most outrageous statement on here.

I don't think it is unreasonable that the Christchurch offense will
have a long run on the news etc. It is after all just across the ditch.
We have much closer contact with NZ than anywhere else.
However as we saw the NZ attack was on Friday, the attack on Nigerian
Christian farmers was Saturday, 85 killed, the killing of three and
wounding of nine in Holland was Sunday and I have not heard yet of what
has happened today but we are 11 hours ahead of GMT.
The sad thing is this is not unusual, almost every day there is an
"incident" not always fatal.
Knifing is common, a 900% increase in London. Not all a moslem act.
Just feel lucky that we are remote from most of it.
Hope all that is not too Islamaphobic for you gentle souls.

"I know Islamists are our enemies"

Forgiveth Belly, he knoweth not what he sayeth and he willn't admit it even though he doeth.

Philip S; I read Belly's post closely and it was typical Bellyese
and I am sure he was quoting the other person involved to illustrate
their words.

Some have been attacked on here for saying that moslems are undermining
Australian societies.
Well this certainly is not helpful;

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. (4:89)

Hmmm
Islamaphobic ?
Perhaps the Koran should be banned for being Islamaphobic ?

Well informative the last few posts,not able to comment on one but can on my own
YES I have a form of dyslexia
Too drift from subject
But YES no way around it Muslim fundamentalists, in my opinion, are evil, yes fundamentalists including but not confined to terrorists
YES again we will, or are already, fighting against them
In fact all extremes are evil the extreme right every bit as much as any
TRUTH has become a victim, as the foot soldiers from both sides preach hate
Bellisms?
May I look at your own rants, please do, look at your post history
I WILL NEVER be one of the ranters, always be me,and will always hope some balance is returned to the forum

lets see what happened over the weekend

an atheist kills 49 muslims in NZ
muslims kill 85 Christians in Nigeria

the regressive are blaming 'Christians'. I tell you what, even on meth you could not follow their warped logic. No wonder the regressives still excuse the likes of Justin Smollett

btw any memorial services for the Nigerian Christians in Australia? We have plenty of Nigerians in Australia. Any mosques running services for steelie to go to?

Hasbeen was the clown who some months back on the forum advocated the nuclear destruction of 200 million Pakistanis on the grounds of get them before they get us. Is that still your opinion Hasbeen?

mhaze

//Someone somehow armed themselves in the second and did fight back.// To suggest someone at the second mosque "armed themselves" with possibly a gun is untrue.

//he (the killer) probably thought that Aziz had a weapon// Is Mise trying to find an out for gun carrying citizens. Inside the deranged mind of the killer are we?

Want someone to blame, in their own small way our little band of Forum Islamaphobs have contributed to this horrific tragedy. Fess up and take your responsibility and stop with the deflection, you are all guilty.

Dear Belly,

Part of what Waleed Aly stated on Friday was:

"Every things we say to try to tear people apart,
divide people, demonise particular groups, set
them against each other, that all has consequences,
even if we're not the ones with our fingers on
the trigger."

In other words -

We must urgently make a case for a new humanist
politics in which our character and humanity count
for more than skin colour, our heritage, our sexuality,
our religion, our gender, our age.
The war of identities must end, whether it is in public or blood stained places of worship.

Indeed Foxy, such is human nature [sadly] some will continue to divide even ignore truth
We will never get the perfect world, because of that human nature
But the very wrong very right are enabling more hate
And they need to think about that

Its good to see Aly's evolving views.

In 2013 Aly was of the view that we needed to treat terrorism as a "perpetual irritant". You know, just get used to a few 'infidels' dying every now and then. That was of course in the days when Mohomedians were terrorising on an almost weekly basis.

Aly has now decided that terrorism isn't a mere irritant.

I wonder what changed his mind?

Paul,

"//he (the killer) probably thought that Aziz had a weapon// Is Mise trying to find an out for gun carrying citizens. Inside the deranged mind of the killer are we?"

English Lesson (No 1 in this series)'See "probably" a qualifying adverb.

"probably

adverb

almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.
"she would probably never see him again"
synonyms: in all likelihood, in all probability, as likely as not, very likely, most likely, likely, as like as not, ten to one, the chances are, doubtless, no doubt, all things considered, taking all things into consideration, all things being equal, possibly, perhaps, maybe, it may be, presumably, on the face of it, apparently"

http://www.google.com/search?q=probably+definition&rlz=1C1CAFB_enAU718AU718&oq=probably&aqs=chrome.4.69i57j0l5.23784j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Comprendre?

Hi Issy,

Are you in favour of New Zealand introducing tough new gun laws? Note this deranged killer was a member of a gun club, they PROBABLY trained him in the use of these murderous weapons. Then there is the gun shop that sold these killing machines, they PROBABLY demonstrated the finer points of their operation to the maniac.

"probably

adverb

almost certainly; as far as one knows or can tell.
"she would probably never see him again"
synonyms: in all likelihood, in all probability, as likely as not, very likely, most likely, likely, as like as not, ten to one, the chances are, doubtless, no doubt, all things considered, taking all things into consideration, all things being equal, possibly, perhaps, maybe, it may be, presumably, on the face of it, apparently"

Paul wrote:

"//Someone somehow armed themselves in the second and did fight back.// To suggest someone at the second mosque "armed themselves" with possibly a gun is untrue."

Well that's good because I didn't mention a gun. Paul inserted that so that he had something to complain about.

OTOH.... http://news.sky.com/story/many-more-would-have-died-hero-mosque-worker-grabs-nz-attackers-gun-11666492

Now there's a dilemma. Paul can't possibly bring himself to dispute a Mohomedian because...reason. But he equally can't admit that an armed man reduced the death toll. OMG....what to do?

Change the subject.

What to do?

Take his foot out of his mouth.

I made some comment a few pages back about islamaphobia.
This example of where it is going you might find interesting;

June 2017. Lincoln, Lincolnshire. Daniel Courney, an American
missionary, was arrested in the High Street quarter after a Muslim
passer-by told police that he had made Islamophobic comments.
He was charged under Section 5 Public Order Act 1986.
On September 14, 2017, the Lincoln Magistrates' Court convicted
Courney of using "threatening and discriminatory language."

It appears that the police do not take similar action against moslem
speakers or demonstrators. There is some further information on the
religious situation for street preachers.
If you are interested here is a link;

http://tinyurl.com/y6bd46ct

yeah Bazz if all the Christophobes were charged with hate speech we would not have enough courts. The left are champions at double standards. Certainly Marxism/feminism and Islam are closely related. They are both totalitarianism ideologies.

Only in the mind of the alt right and their supporters can reason be found to blame the victims or forgive the foul thing that murdered them
We will never see a purely white Australia, even if some dream about it
We will always see social media lies that Muslims want us to cancel Christmas and Easter, constructed lies and fools can not see that
The saddest thing is alt right needs desperately to lie, to spreed fear, to even clutch Adolf Hitler to its breast, never understanding he would have murdered even most of them

The more right, the closer to the left !
Who's actually blamed the victims ? Any quotes available ? Or is it just a matter of the Lefties desperation to incite hatred in accordance with their ideology of taken advantage of the one is born every minute Bellys' of this world ?

Issy,

The one with his foot in his mouth is you, you don't know what to say as you avoid the question;

Are you in favour of New Zealand introducing tough new gun laws? Given your past forum history me thinks not!

How about a comment on the culpability of those that sell guns to, and then train a mass murderer in their use, firearm dealers and gun clubs. Remember you "friends" at the St Marys Gun Club who licensed and trained a child killer.How do they sleep at night.
BTW The distraught mother of Jack and Jennifer, you're probably forgotten their names, but they were the two kids murdered by another gunnie, later committed suicide, more blood on the hands.

Paul,

"The one with his foot in his mouth is you, you don't know what to say as you avoid the question;

"Are you in favour of New Zealand introducing tough new gun laws? Given your past forum history me thinks not!"

No, because they would achieve nothing.

"How about a comment on the culpability of those that sell guns to, and then train a mass murderer in their use, firearm dealers and gun clubs. Remember you "friends" at the St Marys Gun Club who licensed and trained a child killer.How do they sleep at night.
BTW The distraught mother of Jack and Jennifer, you're probably forgotten their names, but they were the two kids murdered by another gunnie, later committed suicide, more blood on the hands."

Nice rant, but I see all concerned as culpable as those who sell cars and other vehicles, or as culpable as the medical profession who kill so many each year.

"Analyzing medical death rate data over an eight-year period, Johns Hopkins patient safety experts have calculated that more than 250,000 deaths per year are due to medical error in the U.S. Their figure, published May 3 in The BMJ, surpasses the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC’s) third leading cause of death — respiratory disease, which kills close to 150,000 people per year."
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us

http://www.medicalerroraustralia.com/observations/18000-plus-killed-every-year/

Of course gun or even better, weapon reform is needed because of the huge number of dim-witted characters running free in our midst.
There is no justification whatsoever for a private Citizen to own an automatic or other kind of assault weapon.
For self-defence as in dangerous wildlife, recreational shooting, target shooting etc. a single firing gun is more than adequate. By that I mean a gun that has either bolt or lever action to reload or a hand gun that requires trigger action for each round.
If that doesn't make sense to anyone then we're too far down the shute already !
Cubs don't train & license killers, they do exactly the opposite, they press safety foremost !
Killers are trained by hate speech & lately even more effectively by reverse psychology as used by the progressives ! By saturation pushing the supposed Hate of the extreme Right they achieve their insidious agenda of turning people against conservatism which is not extreme right, it's simply is caring for the future of all but which doesn't suit the Progressives' clamouring for power !
I leave it up to the reader to work out on whose hands the blood is.

individual,

I agree with you but would just point out that,

"There is no justification whatsoever for a private Citizen to own an automatic or other kind of assault weapon"

Private citizens here and in NZ are not allowed to own automatic or other kinds of assault weapons (all assault weapons are automatic).

Perhaps if police in NZ had been present at either mosque they could have stopped the murderer; then again, perhaps not, as the NZ police are unarmed (mostly).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/18/5-countries-where-police-officers-do-not-carry-firearms-and-it-works-well/?utm_term=.be746b469b5c

Issy, nice try at deflection. I fail to see the relationship between medical death rates in the US, and the need for gun law reform in New Zealand. Is there any possibility that when the person selling these high powered weapons to this maniac, or the ones giving instruction in their us, do you think the though might have crossed their mind; "what is this person going to do with this powerful weapon". No maybe they were to busy thinking of the dollars they were making.

Are you in favour of New Zealand introducing tough new gun laws?
No, because they would achieve nothing.

Well New Zealand law makers along with the NZ public beg to differ.

And tell me Issy what part(s) will actually achieve nothing, since you are the only person on earth who at this moment knows what the NZ government proposes to introduce as gun law reform. They haven't even put a package together, you are an amazing future teller.

Made up your mine without even knowing what will be proposed! Foot in mouth.

Paul,

"Made up your mine without even knowing what will be proposed! Foot in mouth."

My mine is not made up, it's just a tunnel into a hillside and I don't work it much these days.

I was just wondering if you would apply the same criteria to car dealers and medical suppliers.

Would you care to answer the question as to what could have been done to stop the murderer, Steele and Foxy obviously can't or won't.

Give it a try!

Abdul Aziz should be awarded NZ's highest civilian award for bravery,

"The New Zealand Cross (NZC) is New Zealand's highest award for bravery not in the face of the enemy[2]. It was instituted by Royal Warrant on 20 September 1999[3] as part of the move to replace British bravery awards with an indigenous New Zealand Bravery system. The medal, which may be awarded posthumously, is granted in recognition of "acts of great bravery in situations of extreme danger". The medal is primarily a civilian award, but it is also awarded to members of the armed forces who perform acts of bravery in non-operational circumstances (given that the New Zealand gallantry awards may only be awarded "while involved in war and warlike operational service (including peacekeeping)".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Cross_(1999)

Abdul Aziz, of NZ, will go down in history as a selfless hero, and long may he be remembered.

Issy, for your peace of mind we could ban all sporting and recreational gun use. Criminal activity using a firearm could land you with an extra 20 years in jail. The possession, sale or distribution of a firearm for any other purpose that those accepted professional reasons, police, military, some licensed professionals gun users, but a relative few only, should land the offender with 5 years imprisonment.
The Rambo gung ho brigade will just have to be satisfied with their thumb and forefinger and going bang, bang, and watching replays of 'Gunsmoke', no imprisonment for bods like you doing what you love with fingers and TV's.

Paul,

Save us the 'humour'
and tell us how the murderer could have been stopped?

"no imprisonment for bods like you doing what you love with fingers and TV's."

Careful Is Mise, that's what they tell you now. But once they've got what they want, they'll up their demands. 'Gunsmoke' will be banned before you can say "Sam, go and get Matt." (catch phrase from the show)

Of course, as we've seen in Britain ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0003h5n ) once the guns are gone, then they'll have to come after the knives. And instead of banning 'Gunsmoke' they'll be banning 'Jim Bowie' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiMU4rZEVoA

"I'm waiting for our brigade to blame the conservative made GW for the massacre "

Well as it turns out its the fault of EVERY white Australian.

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/03/christchurch-shootings-white-australian-guilt-new-zealand.html

Somehow, even though the bloke carried out the massacre in another country, had been living in that country for a few years and, by his own admission, was radicalised by events in Europe while he was in Europe, its all our fault.

Who needs logic when you have a political mission to pursue.

Private citizens here and in NZ are not allowed to own automatic or other kinds of assault weapons (all assault weapons are automatic).
is Mise,
So why are these weapons in the country in the first place then ? Or, are there crooks in the Army who steal them & then sell them to fruitcakes ?

Paul,

"Criminal activity using a firearm could land you with an extra 20 years in jail. The possession, sale or distribution of a firearm for any other purpose that those accepted professional reasons, police, military, some licensed professionals gun users, but a relative few only, should land the offender with 5 years imprisonment."

Why bring this up?
When I pointed out to you that increases in penalties for the criminal misuse of a firearm were opposed by the Greens you had nothing to say; changed your mind and now agree with the SF&F Party?

changed your mind and now agree with the SF&F Party?
is Mise,
That is one of the dreadful traits of fence-sitters & opportunists in general. Just wait for allegiance to change again when they see the other side producing better results !

The PRESIDENT of Turkey today threatening to send Aussie visitors home in body bags. The religion of peace at it again.

TURKEY, the criminally insane lead of that country has gone beneath our contempt
Fellow Muslims, who AGAIN say it was wrong BUT should leave our country right now
All in all Turkeys Dictator is every bit as bad as the insane murderer
Cut all ties with that country send the diplomats home cancel Anzac and all trade and travel to the evil things country

Hi Belly,

"Erdogan, while campaigning for local elections, presented the attack as part of an assault on Turkey and Islam and warned anti-Muslim Australians would be "sent back in coffins" like their grandfathers at Gallipoli - a blood-drenched WWI battle."

Me thinks this bloke is the Leader of the Turkish version of the Liberal Party. Doing badly in the polls and thought he would take a leaf out of Morrison's book and "kick the Aussie can" and hope its a vote winner.
As it has been reported on the ABC Morrison suggested to his mob that they should "kick the Muslim can" as a vote winner. Or maybe the Turk just reads the OLO Forum.

individual,

"So why are these weapons in the country in the first place then?"

They aren't, it's just that the media use "automatic" and "Assault rifle" as catchwords,

Issy, trying to dodge a bullet there old son, well lets just call them killing machines and be done with it. Agree? How are you going with the thumb and forefinger along with the bang, bang. Watch a few reruns of 'Gunsmoke'and you'll be right.

I have not been able to read the document he put on the internet.
It probably is evidence so it will have been removed.
Someone that has read it said that he is not far right winger but a moderate lefty.
It seems to be assumed that anyone like this killer has to be a right
wing white fanatic.
Why ?
Why can't you have left wing genocidal maniacs like Stalin, PolPot etc ?

Paul,

Just give us all the benefit of your wisdom and tell us how the murderer could have been stopped?

It's a simple question although Steele and Foxy are dodging it as well.

Maybe, if it's too hard, you could get together and formulate an answer.

I await the replies with bated breath.

Its all about deflection isn't it Bazz, Pol Pot, Stalin name whoever you like among the nastiest in history. Someone said, well blow me down, someone said, who said, another one of your fellow Islamophobs. This is about people like you who hold extremist opinions about ALL Muslims. Sure, in a population of 2 billion some are going to be bad guys, but all, but you claim all 2 billion are bad. Do you agree with Hanson, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

Your out is, you don't condone violence, did you know Heinrich Himmler was physically sick after the one and only time he witnessed a Nazi death squad in action. Did that make him less culpable in the mass murder of 6 million innocent people? Me thinks not!

Issy, it could have been stopped if Islamophobs the world over did not collective act to radicalises this maniac, and set him on his murderous path. They can all take a little bit of the painful reality for every time they vilified ALL Muslims without giving it a second thought. For all we know it could have been a post by one on here, about the evils of Muslims everywhere that finally drove this maniac over the edge. No one knows.

As Abbott said; "Islamophobia did not kill anyone" Sure got that wrong!

'For all we know it could have been a post by one on here, about the evils of Muslims everywhere that finally drove this maniac over the edge. No one knows. '

yep true Paul. Could be a young girl who was forced to marry an old man complaining or a woman who had objected to circumcism. It certainly does not take much of a trigger to set off violence among many muslims. The left are also pretty good. Just get someone they disagree with and the Antifa thugs see it as a great opportunity to show their true colours.

runner no one, I think, is excusing the faults, and there are many, in the Islamic faith
That faith, like every faith, needs an update
Needs an understanding every God is claimed to be the only one,
The creator
If so we need to know why he/she created the others, was it to give us someone to hate
HIGHLIGHT true and existing problems in the Islamic faith
But do not ignore massive crimes against children by perophils in the Catholic Church

runner, after considering carefully the pros and cons of religion as a way of betterment in ones life, I'm an atheists. I believe the vast majority of the 7.5 billion people on the planet are essentially good.... born, live their life, and die. If you can get from the cradle to the grave and have a reasonably happy life in between, all well and good, many don't even achieve that. In a short time after death, we are forgotten, its as if we never lived. The belief in a god that is waiting to give us an eternal afterlife in paradise is a nice thought, but all it is, is a hopeful dream. Religion gives hope to millions that their life is worthwhile and they will be rewarded after death by the merciful loving god in some place of peace and happiness called heaven where they will live on for eternity. I suppose in that way, even if the hope is a false hope, religion does achieve something, and if religion in some way leads to a betterment in one life that's also a positive. Unfortunately far too often religion has been used as a means of hate and intolerance, a way of perpetuating unjustified persecution of millions, the evil side of organised religions. The evils of religion is not restricted to one particular religion, but is spread among all in some form or another. I don't blame all the evils of Islam on all Muslims, just as I don't blame all the evils of Christianity on all Christians.

Issy asked how could the Christchurch tragedy be prevented, remove all the evils from all religions, that might be the answer. Something is terribly wrong if one soul believes he has to go and kill 50 other innocent souls because he feels there is something terribly wrong and threatening with their religion. Is this what we have come to expect from organised religion in our modern world? Hate for the other person, rather than love. This maniac was wrong in what he did, and there is no justification.

But do not ignore massive crimes against children by perophils in the Catholic Church
Belly,
It was actually Julia Gillard who instigated the commission into that.
We're still waiting for the Muslims to do one into their practices.

I see that we are to spend over $100,000 to improve the security of mosques.
Fair enough, but has anyone done a risk study on Churches ?
Using figures for the world then churches are at far more risk
than mosques.
As far as I am aware there has been no problem in Australia for churches.
Do we have to wait for an incidence ?
We did not wait for an incident for airports.
I went to an meeting at a Jewish establishment in Sydney and the
security there was obvious at the gate but more subtle elsewhere.
They have had threats but as far as I know nothing serious.

'Issy asked how could the Christchurch tragedy be prevented, remove all the evils from all religions'

we could start by eliminating the evils of secularism whereby about 100000 unborn babies are butchered in Australia alone each year. Kind of puts things in perspective.

Strangely enough it appears this killer in NZ was an atheist or at least an eco warrior who believed the planet is overcrowded with humans. Kind of makes your conclusions totally off the mark Paul. Not surprising that anything that does not fit your narrative and Christophobic nature needs to be twisted.

Paul,

You are talking prevention, what I am asking is how the murderer could have been stopped once he had started killing.

I'll give you (and invisible others) a few clues;

You could use reason,

"Don't do that, it's unlawful".

"You'll be sorry for doing this."

"STOP!"

or,

Something more positive.

Over to you.

Blow the dog whistle long enough and dont be surprised when some dog comes running.
All bigots on the right are complicit in the Christchurch murders.
The constant vilifying of non white, non christians that the right continues to spout daily has led to this tragedy and many others.
I hope the authorities finally start to take right wing extremism seriously now and start locking up these nutters before they start killing more innocent people. And while they are at it silence the enablers on the internet who support them.

I wonder if anyone sees the double standard and/or hypocrisy here:

"All bigots on the right are complicit in the Christchurch murders."

ALL?

How are the complicit...
because they said that all muslims were complicit in the Islamic terrorist attacks.

ALL?

So its wrong to say all muslims are responsible but valid to say all right-wingers are responsible.

Double-think lives.

'All bigots on the right are complicit in the Christchurch murders'

and the 95 Christians murdered by Islamist in Nigeria over the weekend. Oh according to mikk pointing this out will set off another lone wolf attack like the muslim guy who shot all the homosexuals up in America a year or so ago.

don't worry mikk just because you are being used as a useful idiot it won't protect you anymore than anyone else.

mikk well said in fact all bigots on any side are wrong
You see the defense of this act by throwing an equally evil act in to the ring
We know evil exists, and on both sides the very right however seem to know very little

Given your line of thinking in your ideal world Issy. I imagine the people inside the Mosque should have been in a position to return fire with their arsenal of automatic and semi-automatic killing machines. Lob a few hand grenades in the direction of the would-be assailant, blast away with the Howitzers positioned on the minarets. Then like Rambo himself the Imran could have led the charge of the 500 onward ever onward etc etc.

I see Issy you are still living in Dodge City.

Some good news announced by New Zealand’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern

"The (gun) ban will apply to all firearms now defined as Military Style Semi-Automatics (MSSAs) and will also include assault rifles." This applies from 3pm today, with legislation in place by 11th April.
Ardern says she anticipates broad support for these laws across the country, including New Zealanders who hold gun licences.

There will be both a buy back, and a gun amnesty in place.

Not the kind of news you like to hear Issy.

Paul,

So, as usual, you make fun of the dead.

Every mosque, church, school etc., etc., ought to have armed guards for the foreseeable future, or do you not think that there will be reprisals?

There will be reprisals is mise maybe not in places of worship but we will see them
The NZ PM has become a statesWoman, head and shoulders above our leader
Maybe we need a new law, never ever to be released in every case
Imprisoned on their own, forever and not social media or outside contacts
Never let their names be seen or heard again

It's to be hoped that the NZ Government now arms their police force.

I wonder would anyone oppose such a common sense idea?

Paul,

I couldn't care less what NZ does with their gun laws, I don't go to NZ to hunt and anyway I haven't used a semi auto rifle since my days in the army, except for a couple of .22rf 'Gevarms' that I used to use for rabbits; got a lot more than I paid for them in the BuyBack.

Issy, the thrust of your argument is always armed confrontation, get em' before they get you. Time and again your selfish argue that gun control laws don't work. That line has been shown to be completely wrong.

Issy, a question for you; How could the maniac have be prevent from legally owning his arsenal of killing machines?

You seem rather smug that you were able to profit from the Port Arthur massacre, made a few bob for yourself!

Paul,

Of course, the thrust of my argument is get them before they get you; do you think that it should be "Let them shoot us first?"

The NZ Government acted fast after the horse had bolted, if they are so wise after the event, surely they were well aware that they had a perceived problem before the event, so why didn't they act?

Why was the killer not on their radar?

If he could act with impunity then what hope is there of catching the next one?

They should arm the police and with the number of weapons handed in, they should be able to equip each police car with two rifles and 100 rounds with little cost to the taxpayer.

New Zealand tried several times since 2005 to reform gun laws, but selfish vested interests with political clout prevented reform. Now that mob have lost their credibility completely, gun law reform will be a reality there.

It's a terrible shame that 50 innocent people had to die before circumstance and public opinion forced the selfish vested interests, the gun lobby, to stand aside and let common sense prevail in New Zealand.

We are so fortunate in Australia that Howard was able to get decent gun laws implemented which have saved many lives in Australia, base on the American experience with their lax gun laws. But Australia must be ever vigilant that those financed here by the American gun mob, the NRA, are not allowed to subvert our robust gun laws, which the constantly seek to do.

Still Paul This achievement would be impossible in America
What a truly great Prime Minister NZ HAS

Hi Belly,

Not knowing a great deal about NZ politics, mostly what the wife has told me. I was very surprised Labour won the election, given I had been over there a short while before and Labour were running on empty with about 20% support. I thought Jacinda Ardern at 38 was going to struggle to hold a minority government together, particularly one involving that wily old fox Winston Peters, a distant relative of the wife's, both loved and hated by the Maori people. The wife calls him Winnie-the-Pooh, but I know she has a soft spot for him. Some are so unkind as to call him the Maori version of Pauline Hanson, he's not that bad. No mucking about with WP, he's off to Turkey to sort them out at the moment, not bad at 73. All in all this has made the Coalition stronger, and raised the political stocks of Jacinda Ardern. Some going over the top and giving her the "statesman" tag, the wife likes her, as she likes our man Bill.

Know a little about over there Paul, and think that bloke will deliver the address of a good taxidermist to the idiot dictator
Well she is just great and NZ has landed on its feet with her

Paul,

"New Zealand tried several times since 2005 to reform gun laws, but selfish vested interests with political clout prevented reform. Now that mob have lost their credibility completely, gun law reform will be a reality there."

Indeed they did but the pollies caved in to a perceived possible loss of votes.

What is going to stop the reprisal attacks, or do you really think that there won't be any, especially as the Turkish PM has virtually called for some?

How are we to stop the next lone terrorist?

Is Mise one of those four arrested on day one, turned out to be a vigilante trying to help police
Yes had there been guns in the Church less would have died
But we both know guns should never be in some hands
overall think NZ did a great job
Very moving day over there

Paul,

How are we to stop the next lone terrorist?

Plead?

//How are we to stop the next lone terrorist? plead?//

Being a little sarcastic there Issy.

De-radicalisation is the answer, but we also have to stop the dog whistling from some conservative politicians like Morrison, who saw no harm in wanting to "kick the Muslim can" for political gain. Abbott and Dutton have both engaged in baiting as well. People like Hanson and Anning have been totally out of order with their hate speak.

What is YOUR answer to this question?

What is YOUR answer to this question?
Paul1405,
my answer to you is if you don't like hate speech why don't you stop your insidious delivery of it ?

Dear Paul,

Prejudice never survives a personal inter-action,
and the more we can do to foster not just
tolerance that other people might have a different
culture than us - but actually foster inter-cultural
relationships and facilitate a real discussion between
people of different backgrounds the more we are going
to change people's perceptions and prejudices.

I think that the NZ Prime Minster's wearing of the
head-scarf was a beautiful gesture and her words
of "We are one," still echo in my ears. Well done
and spoken.

cont'd ...

Dear Paul,

Waleed Aly is going to sit down with the New Zealand
Prime Minister on Monday (6.30pm - The Project). He's
the only one who's been granted a person-to-person
interview since the tragedy,

It should be worth watching.

Paul,

"... But Australia must be ever vigilant that those financed here by the American gun mob, the NRA, are not allowed to subvert our robust gun laws, which the constantly seek to do."

Utter baloney, you have been pushing the deliberate lie about locals being financed by the US NRA, never once have you offered any proof because you can't prove a lie.
Though in typically Greens' fashion you repeat it in the hope that the gullible will believe you.

Give me one example of subversion of our gun laws?

Foxy,

Care to tell us how the murderer in NZ could have been stopped?
Or are you going to run and hide?

"Care to tell us how the murderer in NZ could have been stopped?"

- You need a good guy with a gun to stop a bad guy with a gun.

AC straight out of the Trump book of lies and untruths
A man with a gun confronting another is war, on our streets
No man, no gun, should be out target
Trump is in deep trouble, America no longer the leader of the free world,give yourself some wriggle room, to back away from him as his world crumbles

The gunnies has started their anti gun control campaign in New Zealand.

"New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has received death threats, local media reports. A photo of a gun and captioned "You are next" was sent to the Prime Minister.
A social media post tagged to Ardern and NZ Police and had the same photo with "next it's you".

Police are investigating and taking these death threats most seriously.

Issy, can you shed any light on the above? Other Islamophobs, do you agree with this kind of action? Just put a simple yes or no, with your nick, there will be those who will be very interested with your answer.

Paul,

Who sent the threats?

Greens, perhaps?

Belly,

You have obviously never faced a man with a gun.
The only way that the murderer in Christchurch could have been stopped is for a man or a woman to have shot him, preferably in the head as he may have been wearing body armour.

There was no other way, except Divine intervention, and you don't see that as an option.

Issy trying to deflect, given the maniac was one of your very own, a licensed gunnie, its safe to say these threats also camr from one of your own gunnies, not from from anyone else.

Issy, considering this maniac was one of yours, and also an Australian, have you been able to check your membership records to see if you had signed him up here?

There was no other way, except Divine intervention, and you don't see that as an option.
is Mise,
No, there was no divine intervention ! If there was the gunman's gun would have jammed before the first shot !

Paul1405,
Are you imported or home-grown !

Paul,

For gun owners to have threatened the NZ PM is counter-productive, for the anti-gun people such threats are productive.

I put my money on 'productive'.

Anybody who could be bothered to read any of the nz killer's manifesto will see that his worldview certainly seemed much more in line with Steelie and Paul then anyone else on olo. An eco facist who admired communist China and saw himself as defending women by destroying Islam. Oh well as usual the regressives accuse, drop bombs, allow the lying liberal media to report lies and then move on to the next story before facts are established.

rubbish runner but as it is the best you can do not looking for better from you
THE nz murderer is a product of the right of reality mob

Issy, gunnies and their close relatives, the white supremacists, are a thick lot and you can't expect them to work that out.

Indy, are you trying to defect this murderous mongrel away from you and the rest of the forums Islamophobs, no can do, you and the rest of the like minded can take 100% ownership.

Paul,

As a self-avowed member of the non-thick, have you managed to work out how the murderer could have been stopped once he started?

no can do,
Paul1405,
Thank you for exposing yourself & proving my point !

Having looked through the manifesto I note that the creep was a communist at one point. He currently hates Turkey, capitalism, conservatives, the left and a few other things. His communist past could explain why he got caught up with identity politics and had no constraints about murdering people. As I said, the great horror of this is the idea that killing people satisfying a set of parameters was seen as a beneficent act by this person. The wonderful thing about Western civilisation is its tolerance of diversity.

Look at this man, this badly developed under achiever
Was he once communist? not so sure
I am sure he, always, was an idiot
His every written word points to a self opinionated man with little true knowledge or understanding
IF you in any way support him or his actions, in any way
*Then you must support every filthy Islamic terrorists right to murder too*
Hate grows on little things and is always wrong

"rubbish runner but as it is the best you can do not looking for better from you
THE nz murderer is a product of the right of reality mob"

No, I don't think he can be considered right-wing Belly.
He was an eco-fascist, which is left-wing.

The guy seemed to be concerned with climate change;
Primarily with immigration and birth rates, and that he believed invading immigrants are the ones overpopulating the world.

- But hey don't let the truth get in the way of a good anti-right narrative -
Your leftist media comrades won't allow a good crisis go to waste
- Blame the right anyway -

Foxy,

I agree that Jacinda Ardern has done a good job in showing that New Zealand cares, and while normally abhor the self loathing virtue signalling of non muslim women who wear the hijab, this time it was appropriate, and Jacinda does compassionate virtue signalling to a Tee, and the rest of the world lapped it up.

Similarly, I have always been troubled by New Zealand's lax gun laws, but given the low level of gun violence there was very little appetite for change, but now the mood has shifted.

Other than virtue signalling compassion Jacinda's performance has been light weight and her decision to be interviewed by a far left whinge muslim in Waleed is sure to be the puff piece of the century with Waleed fawning over her

Armchair critic, you oldmate, in claiming anyone interested in the other view on climate change is some type of ecofascism ask questions of you
Any anti Islam terrorist is still a terrorist, and more likely to be from the very wrong very right

I agree, Belly. The motivation isn't relevant, but using the tragedy for the purpose of vilification is counterproductive. I think of "First they came", except I believe the process starts with "First they came for XYZ and I was happy because I didn't like them.".

My recent life has seen friendship of 35 years or more murdered
By one nation
A mate, once very very bright, true Christian, lifelong supporter/understander of true Conspiracies
Saw a need to hate every Muslim
I dislike that faith
Every faith, but know the very best, and worst, of people, follow a faith
I can not bring myself to believe God, the one I once loved, or any other, created other faiths so we would have someone to hate
I look at every elected member, past and present, of one nation, does he?
Surely that look, on its own, proves that party is a parking spot for voters who want to waste a vote
That it can never ever achieve anything
BUT if it could just maybe it would be turning us into American style haters , even killing each other on the streets
Take your brain into the polling booths not your mindless fear of difference

Trump is now innocent Belly thinks One Nation are the worldwide bad people.

Quote "Take your brain into the polling booths not your mindless fear of difference" That advise did a lot for Labor in NSW.

Bring on the federal election.

Noted Ignored

[Deleted for abuse and breach of site rules.]

The German police have arrested 12 men, hiring a truck arranging
weapons and planning to kill as many Germans as possible.

If they had succeeded who would have been responsible.

A Human Rights lawyer in Iran who was helping women who have refused
to wear the Hijab has been sentenced to 150 lashes and 38 years gaol,

NZ women are wearing Hijabs in sympathy with muslim women.
It looks more like an insult to me.

Bazz,

It is an insult, an insult to oppressed women everywhere.

Got something to say Foxy et al, or is (are) your voice(s) muffled by your veil(s)?

I've never known kiwi girls to be all that bright...

Is Mise Quote "Got something to say Foxy et al, or is (are) your voice(s) muffled by your veil(s)?"

You are asking for the dreaded link.

Belly "Armchair critic, you oldmate, in claiming anyone interested in the other view on climate change is some type of ecofascism ask questions of you
Any anti Islam terrorist is still a terrorist, and more likely to be from the very wrong very right"

I've not sought out the manifesto, not sure I want to but my understanding is that his written position is broadly eco-fascist with enough other bit's to suggest that overall the positions are a side offshoot of the extreme left.

More obvious is that part of the main intent was to accelerate the divisions in society which he seems to have achieved successfully. There is video supposedly of him in Pakistan late last year praising the Pakistani people. Not something the normal white supremacist is likely to go for. I don't have any reason to think that it's not him but again have not dug far enough to be certain. I don't know how much I'd trust anything he wrote but not a lot else to go on.

There is a point where the so called extreme right and extreme left are not all that different.

Theoretically the extreme right are anarchists but modern neo-Nazi's and similar do seem to more broadly associate with the right that the left although in my view having very little in common with the majority of those on the right. Eg people who idealise the National Socialist Party keep getting called right wing and there are some pretty strong arguments to be made regarding where Germany's Nazies fitted on the political spectrum. Almost nobody wants to own them so lots of apportioning them to the other side.

I don't think that there is a good case to be made to consider that murderous thug belonged to anything recognisable in either of our political world views.

R0bert

PAUL1405
Since my original post calling out Paul1405 for proof of his accusations he has been on here with 18 comments but totally ignored any reference to his original LIES, GUTLESS WONDER.

Paul1405 You claimed I said things "time and again" But you can't provide 1 quote from me to substantiate your libelous comments.

This absolutely proves what I have stated before and got banned for Paul1405 is a liar.

Apologize to most here but this gutless wonder needs to be held accountable.

_________________________________________________
R0bert,

The same belly who belongs to this epic fail.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 17 March 2019 4:21:25 AM

On the 11th line of this comment Belly states quote "I know Islamists are our enemies", he has since contradicted that statement but failed to categorically retract it

Philip S,

You should realize that Belly thinks that 'retraction' is being put back into mechanical splints.

philips it is my intention to report you
No way around it being kind to those who are not as informed as they think is not working in your case
Graham, the constant abuse is not needed in debate
PS again, please leave me out of your mindless ill informed rants,surely [some doubt must exist] you can understand I do not want to hear from you

As things start to cool down with the events in Christchurch questions are starting to be asked. Particularly of interests is the question of lack of focus by authorities on right wing extremism. While Muslim extremism within is real and extremely dangerous, and rightly authorities give it much attention, have they failed to give enough attention to right wing extremism.

I agree with the claims that right wing extremism has not been given the attention it should have.

A link from the 'Washington Post' but it does have relevance for our part of the world,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/is-it-terrorism-post-nz-attack-muslims-see-double-standard/2019/03/24/67b41d58-4e1c-11e9-bdb7-44f948cc0605_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.c95063d05bef

Posted by individual, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 7:34:31 AM

I have googled Fraser Anning to find out what he actually said that got people so riled up. Has it been removed from the Internet because I can't seem to find it ?

Answer- I think Neil Erikson has posted the uncut video on YouTube. Annecdotally Fraser Anning said that Muslim Immigration has led to the killings in New Zealand. To me it's classic Socialist/ Communist hair trigger response- but I'd be willing to listen to rational comments in relation to this. Anning has been consistent in his views from his initial speech in parliament. This is a good opportunity for the Communists to push their propaganda. You could call Anning's speech as "prediction/ prescient" but the Communists would say he "caused the killings". National leaders have been known to influence the stock market by commenting. The Communists believe that all wars are the fault of the Industrialists.

// This is a good opportunity for the Communists to push their propaganda//

Canem Malum who do you believe are the Communists pushing propaganda. Its more like you suffering from Reds under the beds paranoia.

Canem, try his parliamentary web site. It should still be there.
My impression of it was it very badly timed.
If he had said it as late as now it would not have had the same
reaction. It was not all that out of line with much that has been said
many times without causing such a reaction.

Meanwhile, in NZ the powers have imposed ruthless censorship on the Manifesto.

"The ban, issued on Saturday, means anybody caught with the document on their computer could face up to 10 years in prison, while anyone caught sending or forwarding it could face 14 years. Some say the ban goes too far and risks lending both the document and the gunman mystique"
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/world/oceania/christchurch-terrorist-attack-sparks-free-speech-debate-in-new-zealand-20190325-p5175n.html#comments

So much for free speech.

There is a website offering a download of the entire Manifesto for 99 cents.

I can understand the ban in NZ as it is evidence in a serious crime.
That is not unusual. But gaol for someone having it on their computer ?
If there was a link in an email or webpage would that be an offense ?
Of course those penalties would not apply in Australia, I presume.
Is the ban a court order or a government order ?

A day will come, bank on it, when we all will have less online freedom because of some things the very few say and do

No word from that crazed off the planet extremist ALTRAV, aka the Il Duce, on this. Is he banged up in New Zealand?

Ho Hum

Yes Belly, I am afraid you are right. Whoops not THAT right.
Aside from what happened in NZ it was on the cards anyway.
The way that Facebook and similar use their platforms for censorship
and manipulating the advertising has put them under the scorn of a
number of countries.
So much so that they may have to split their company into two different
Facebooks, one European & others and one US & others.
Watch this space as they say.

"A day will come, bank on it, when we all will have less online freedom because of some things the very few say and do".

It's already in the works Belly.

Take this article from last year.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/26/theresa-may-calls-g7-leaders-help-prosecute-foreign-fighters

"Make no mistake, the fight is moving from the battlefield to the internet. In the UK, we are already working with social media companies to halt the spread of extremist material and hateful propaganda that is warping young minds. I am clear that corporations can do more. Indeed they have a social responsibility to now step up their efforts to remove harmful content from their networks."

"Today, I called on leaders to do more. We agreed a range of steps the G7 could take to strengthen its work with tech companies on this vital agenda. We want companies to develop tools to identify and remove harmful materials automatically."

Why would she call on other G7 leaders for a UK policy issue?
- Why? Because they are all more or less working in concert -