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Posted by ttbn, Friday, 1 March 2019 9:02:54 AM
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Dear Is Mise,
Thank you for your explanation about sacramental wine. I stand corrected. Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 1 March 2019 9:39:07 AM
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Yuyutsu,
That's OK, see my post in Articles in reply to you on the same subject, I'll bet the 2014 Brother John May Reserve Release Shiraz at $110 a bottle doesn't get used up in Masses, nor even in masses. Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 1 March 2019 10:06:31 AM
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One of Foxy's mantras over the years is to judge not. Well the hypocrisy is so clear to see. She is in the mould of the lying feminist who accused Kavannaugh. All about sides and ideology not truth and justice.
Posted by runner, Friday, 1 March 2019 10:32:48 AM
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I don't understand these personal attacks on me.
I take no "delight"as some claim in this very, very, sad controversy. Nor am I venting any "rage." The ones doing the venting are others. The claims against Cardinal Pell are on the record. There have been multiple accusations going back to the 1960s. These cases were dropped due to victims dieing. Not due to findings of innocence. Here is a timeline link that gives the dates: http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/26/rise-fall-george-pell-timeline More details are given in the book I cited earlier. My husband was educated at a very well known Catholic school. He was an altar boy throughout his childhood and is familiar with the robes the clergy wear. Also, while studying Architecture and Town Planning at Melbourne University he did a thesis on St. Patrick's Cathedral in Melbourne. He was given access to all the inner spaces and structure. He also has first hand knowledge from fellow students who had been sexually abused by their School Principal. The Principal's "favourite" lad put his father's shot gun to his chin and blew his head off. That Principal was moved to another school to continue his work. Many Catholics still strongly believe in our faith but trust is going to have to be built from the ground up by bishops and priests before their pronouncements on morality will be taken seriously again. runner, It wasn't me who judged the Cardinal. It was a jury of 12 Australian citizens who found him guilty - despite all the "ďmprobabilities"presented to them. They believed the complainant. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 1 March 2019 11:13:37 AM
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Paul,
You mentioned "detailed evidence". That is exactly what I have been and still am looking for. Except for the accusers statement all has been disclosed. So why has not the accusers statement been made available? I have no truck with Pell. If I see any evidence that shows guilt beyond reasonable doubt I will change stance immediately and advocate maximum penalty. I am one who advocates capital punishment for heinous crimes. But I believe guilt has to be proven. In this case there is no proof, it is simply one persons word against another. I have yet to see anything to indicate it should have gone to trial and lack of evidence by the prosecution should result in acquittal. Maybe the defense did not take it seriously enough and, thought lack of evidence, took it too easy. If that is the case they were wrong. A precedent has now been set for all Victorians to be convicted by the courts on accusations alone. Posted by HenryL, Friday, 1 March 2019 11:45:33 AM
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“The flimsy case against Pell rests on the absurd idea that, while wearing a cope, over an alb, tied with a cincture, over a cassock, over street clothes, he sexually assaulted two choirboys, during High Mass, while leaving the door open. If that defies logic, this is not about logic.”
Another priest who has worn a robe or two himself, also offers this:
“A bishop wearing cope over an alb, tied in with a cincture, over a cassock, cannot sexually abuse anyone. This is surreal.”