Foxy,
From reading your posts, I gather that you hold George Pell in such disdain that you care not if he gets a fair trial and you do not care if his trial sets a precedent relative to persons being convicted by allegations and not by reasonable evidence. Such a precedent would affect all Victorians, if not all Australians

I hope a future appeal will be upheld and the case dismissed or new trial ordered for the benefit of us all. The current situation is that Pell was convicted without any evidence presented. Soley on statement by his accuser.

In my opinion that is simply not good enough. I certainly want to see proven abusers pay dearly for their crimes, but it has to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. In this case I expect the appeal to be upheld.

It is not the first time a court has wrongly convicted someone. I suggest the cases of Lindy Chamberlain and Pauline Hanson are good examples

HenryL.,

Cardinal Pell received a fair trial. 12 decent and
conscientious Australian citizens off the street
listening to the evidence of the victim and
listening to everything that was outlined including
all the improbabilities were absolutely convinced
beyond a reasonable doubt that Cardinal Pell did
something dreadful to this young man and his companion.
The jury were convinced that this happened.
I accept the verdict.

Dear Henry,

Thank you for your comments. Well said!

This case instils horror in me and must increase any honest person's anxiety, of being thrown in prison for some crime we have not committed. Who cares about left, right or centre - it is now more likely to happen to any of us at random.

Prison is a horrendous place and it is so cruel and wrong to throw people in there. One could argue that it is necessary in order to protect society from dangerous persons when no alternatives are present, but how possibly could a 77-year old frail gentleman still be dangerous?

For this selfish desire for revenge, it is not George Pell that is punished, but the rest of society who will have that many more nightmares and anxiety-based illnesses including heart attacks and strokes as a result. The victim himself has and will suffer the most for being unable to forgive for over 20 years.

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Dear Josephus,

«The boy was 13 years so was old enough to be able to reject any advances, and if it happened, where was his parents that it took 20 years to come to court?»

Neither you or I, nor anyone else in this forum, I believe, would have told our parents under the circumstances, since they would then also find out that we committed the great crime of desecrating the blood-of-Christ.

By failing to forgive Pell and going after him even over 20 years later, the victim sabotaged his own life and ability to forgive himself. The other victim even lost his life as a result. What a pity.

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Dear Foxy,

«it is likely he will await his fate from a jail cell.»

We may not know Pell's fate, but Pell himself does already and need not await the verdict of some human court.
He knows what he actually did or did not do in his life and that like the rest of us, he will have to account for it all in the final judgement before God.

'Cardinal Pell received a fair trial. 12 decent and
conscientious Australian citizens off the street'

amazing how you could know that Foxy. So the previous jury were not. You write some pretty dumb things. I was once on a jury for a similar charge. The jury was not what I describe 12 conscientious Australian citizens.

Foxy knows that Pell had a fair trial. She knows that the jury men and women were “decent and
conscientious Australian citizens”.

Piffle! She knows nothing of the kind. The jury listened to what the complainant had to say, and chose to believe it; 'evidence’ was not involved.

No decent person would say that justice has been served in this case.

Yuyutsu,

"Neither you or I, nor anyone else in this forum, I believe, would have told our parents under the circumstances, since they would then also find out that we committed the great crime of desecrating the blood-of-Christ".

What are you on about?

How could anyone get to the consecrated wine other than the Priest and the Communicants?"