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Pell: Disgraceful Decision

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Is Mise,
Be prepared for another sex abuse crisis for the RC church as now apparently nuns and other lay women are speaking out.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-16/catholic-church-headed-for-another-sex-abuse-scandal-nunstoo/10817270

Apparently there is now a group called 'Voices of Faith' made up of catholic women.

I saw one statement that vastly many more victims than was uncovered by the child sex abuse scandal
Posted by HenryL, Saturday, 2 March 2019 11:43:11 AM
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cont'd ...

mhaze,

The vast majority of sexual assault cases now come down
to the complainant's word.

To ensure trials are still fair legislation now requires
the judge to give jurors specific directions to balance
any unfairness against the defence of complainant when it
comes to word-on-word cases.

Jurors are commonly told they must consider that the defendant
may be deprived of an alibi (if the complainant cannot specify
the time of the alleged offence) and is at significant forensic
disadvantage due to the passage of time. They are told it is
up to prosecutors to prove guilt, not up to the defence to
prove innocence.

They are told it is not uncommon for child abuse victims to
forget exact dates and peripheral details, or to report only
as an adult.

The jurors in the Pell case were given clear, repeated
directions along these lines.

Finally those who argue about the robes Pell wore during
the offending should be made aware that the robes
were brought into court and tendered as an exhibit.

The jurors were able to examine and hold these robes in
their jury room during deliberations.

Monsignor Charles Portelli demonstrated to jurors how the
cincture was tied around the waist. It was pointed out that
having a cincture around the waist did not restrict
movement from the waist down. The jurors saw the robes,
were able to hold them and heard all the evidence from
both parties as to their manoeuvrability.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 2 March 2019 12:22:04 PM
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The Elizabethan protestants would have been delighted with the bringing down of Cardinal Pell. They would have burnt him at the stake, as would many modern-day Australians, given the glee and the mouth-foaming mania that Pell’s dodgy conviction has brought on. What a great opportunity it has been for the Marxists, Leftists and progressives to channel all their hatred of Catholicism (their greatest enemy) into a single, high profile Catholic. Australia is still a little too civilised for them to hunt down and destroy random Catholics as Robert Cecil’s secret service did for Queen Elizabeth 1.

But it seems that an open season is in the offing: nuns now having the spotlight turned on them. How long before it’s Catholic school kids, local simple parishioners, and what about those choirboys, drunk on communion wine. And, why not that tax-avoiding St. Vincent de Paul mob, and other Catholic charities?

Still, it will take pressure off the Jews for the time being. The maniacs who are preoccupied with Pell at the moment hate all non-Islamic religions
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 2 March 2019 1:44:00 PM
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It matters not who the protagonists are nor how much direction the Judge gives the Jurors when there is no evidence, then there is doubt and the benefit of the doubt is supposed to go to the accused.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 2 March 2019 1:51:31 PM
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Paul,
No doubt you will be dancing in the street at the prospect of further claims of sexual abuse to bring ill repute on the RC church. You will hide that glee in false concern for any victims. Such hypocrisy!
Posted by HenryL, Saturday, 2 March 2019 3:10:57 PM
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Allegations from Cardinal Pell's past have continued
to surface over the decades. Finally in 2017 he was
charged with historic sex offences against multiple
complainants which lead to last year's conviction.

The most important issue now is not just reforming areas
of the church relating to allegations of child sexual
abuse but increasing transparency across the entire
institution. People want the leaders to speak frankly
about the problems and the desire to get greater
transparency within church structures.

As for what happens to Cardinal Pell now? The
Appeal Court shall decide. After all Cardinal
Pell did say:

"It's all gossip until it's proven in a court."
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 2 March 2019 3:20:12 PM
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