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Man made or not it is changing

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So I presume Ismise you have not heard of Energy Return on Energy Invested.
Oil in 1900 = 100 in 2016 approx 10
Coal in 1900 = 80 in 2016 approx 8 to 10
Says it all
That is why there has been a drought of investment in oil search & development.
Tight oil gave us 10 year grace but that is ending.

It really is as simple as that.
Posted by Bazz, Sunday, 13 January 2019 9:22:46 PM
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Bazz it will only take a bit of a ruckus in the South China sea, even with no shooting for us to be out of liquid fuels. No tanker shipping will be interested in sailing from Singapore to Oz.

At the same time, we would have lots of gas from the northwest shelf, again no gas ships will be interested in their current destinations either.

I don't know how quickly we could convert to gas, but much too long for the millions who depend on trucks delivering their food to supermarkets. I'm not sure the country would survive if oil stopped coming.

We do have huge reserves of shale oil in places like Rundle, & much larger in the middle of the country. Again I'm not sure we would have the ability to harvest or refine it in a serious oil shortage.

My information is we have a couple of hundred years of coal at least. My son assures me we have the ability & capacity to build suitable steam locomotives that could be coal or oil fired, but even with a full rail transport system, our cities are uninhabitable without road transport & lots of it to supply food.

Anyone who thinks we could reduce road transport by even 30% & feed our city folk have simply no idea of how our food distribution works. Anything like Global Warming is likely to be the least of our worries.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 14 January 2019 1:41:51 AM
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mhaze you need not bother time and again proving my every claim about you is true
Understand it is your default position to ramble on, probably laugh at your own jokes/posts
I do too, for different reasons
Bazz, will look for you at Wyong, still call it Gosford
But understand the difference GW and fossil fuels, just do not agree
Posted by Belly, Monday, 14 January 2019 4:30:58 AM
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Only too true Hasbeen, and to make it worse there is a ministerial
directive that local Emergency Management Committees are not to
prepare Displans for just the disasters you describe.
The reason, it is a matter to be handled Federally.
I did raise the matter but was "told" !
I had suggested that the police should seize a couple of service
stations for emergency services in each district and that electric
passenger trains, seats removed, be used to meet the few steam locos
we have at the ends of the electric system to move food into the city
while ever the coal still gets to the power stations.

You would be surprised at just who thinks it won't be a problem.
As I said, forget Canberra, they will all be out in their backyards
digging a vegetable patch. Likewise the state governments.
The only real authority will be local government so there should be a plan.

Way back when there used to be electric parcel vans that ran around
Sydney delivering parcels to the parcel offices at each station.
That could be reinstated to distribute food.
If the electricity supply disappeared, then goodbye.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 14 January 2019 8:20:41 AM
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EXPLAIN it to me
How did so many like me who believe the science get it so wrong
Maybe the earth is flat
The moon made out of cheese
And the owners of fossil fuels wonderful people with only the planets interests at heart
Posted by Belly, Monday, 14 January 2019 10:42:11 AM
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Belly you told me of my post regarding academic & IPCC use of "tipping points" to get CO2 to produce enough heat to matter "Just a thought HASBEEN are you prepared to understand your post looks like a self description?".

With that post you proved that you don't know anything al all about the Global warming scam, & are just parroting the garbage from academia & the left.

In fact you make a fool of yourself every time you post on the subject.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 14 January 2019 11:07:31 AM
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