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Roundabouts in NSW

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Yestermorn I approached a roundabout, slowed down, checked that the intersecting roads to my right and left were clear and entered the roundabout.
Fortunately, I have good reaction time because a small car came barrelling around the centre island from straight ahead.

I did an emergency brake application and he passed in front of me with no contact, gave me a cheery wave and drove off, accelerating.

I didn't see him as the island is covered in vegetation thus blocking any forward view.
I remembered reading that one must give way to vehicles in a roundabout, so I looked it up:

"Road Rules 2014
Current version for 8 September 2018 to date (accessed 15 December 2018 at 14:50)
Part 9 Rule 114
114 Giving way when entering or driving in a roundabout
(1) A driver entering a roundabout must give way to:
(a) any vehicle in the roundabout, and
(b) a tram that is entering or approaching the roundabout.
Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units."

So, I'd like to know how one is to apply the rules when the view of the roundabout is obstructed by landscaping that blocks the view?
One wonders if all roundabouts that have gardens on the island that obstruct the view are illegal.

Thoughts?
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 15 December 2018 2:17:10 PM
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The council is responsible for not blocking visibility that is critical for road safety.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Monday, 17 December 2018 11:05:53 AM
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It gets worse here in Queensland Is Mise.

Up here some fool planner has developed the idea it is safer if you can't see what other traffic is doing. They are actually building artificial mounds in the middle of new roundabouts so you can't see what may be coming into it from the opposite direction.

I can only assume some idiot planner, [ever found one that wasn't an idiot], thinks that if we are worried that we will suffer what happened to you will happen to us, we will all slow down. I am quite sure that one of the qualifications for road planning is they have never held a drivers licence, or driven anything other than a push bike.
Posted by Hasbeen, Monday, 17 December 2018 11:13:26 AM
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Yes you have it right just today my driving stopped two idiots from smashes
Anyone else notice some female drivers think only men need good manners?
Both of today's drivers are young women pushing in at speed taking it for granted while out side the road rule I would give way
Posted by Belly, Monday, 17 December 2018 11:23:32 AM
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Hey Belly,
They should make everyone learn to ride a motorbike before they drive a car so they understand how dangerous the road is.
Then they should make them learn to drive a truck so they know how hard it is to stop if you're carrying heavy loads.
And then they should make them go to Attitudinal Drivers Workshops to see the real harm road accidents can cause.

Rainforest roundabouts and the resulting reduced vision can only increase the likeliness of accidents.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 17 December 2018 12:30:50 PM
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Armchair critic agree, been a long time from my last interstate truck driving days but if only
Not in any way anti woman love the lady,s
But are we doing them any favors in insisting we have good manners
Coming of the escalator, fully loaded trolly woman stepped in front of me, belt kept going and was held up by the bloke behind me, who informed her she was rude
Not saying she was in any way human after her words, needs to get ride of about one hundred kgs
Unsure if some women want equality or total control
Posted by Belly, Monday, 17 December 2018 4:48:53 PM
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Just be thankful you don't live in Swindon, Is Mise. For a multitude of reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D22BOOGbpFM
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 17 December 2018 5:46:47 PM
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Toni,

Horrifying!!
But at least one can see what's coming.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 17 December 2018 7:38:11 PM
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//Horrifying!!//

Didn't you listen to Tom? The Magic Roundabout works really well... traffic flows nicely; relatively few prangs.

The problem isn't crap roundabouts, mate. It's crap drivers. Not much we can do about them until we let the machines take over.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 17 December 2018 7:43:22 PM
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Well Issy, with mandatory tough sentencing some of the hard heads on the forum want. I think the magistrate would impose the standard 5 years with hard labour for that first offence of yours, no ifs or buts about it. You done the crime you do the time. They tell me Long Bay is very nice this time of the year, enjoy.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 12:06:27 PM
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Paul,

There is no ay of knowing who entered the roundabout first, so no way of apportioning blame, the foliage stops that, point is, why the gardens in the first place as blocking the view is clearly contrary to the intention of the law.
Posted by Is Mise, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 1:17:01 PM
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Now Issy, we can't have you blaming the foliage. There is nothing in the new mandatory sentencing laws which allows for mitigating circumstances due to foliage. But just to show you the new laws are fair and reasonable we will impose a sentence of a dose of 'Roundup' for those pesky plants. As for your 5 years with hard labour, all Judge Jeffreys had to say in legal jargon was "too bad, so sad".

Sorry you didn't get a chance to offer a defence, but under the new laws, defence is humbug, and no longer an option, besides its a waste of the courts time, I know you will agree. I'm sure you completely understand why you deserve 5 years, considering you have no defence. We have reserved a cell with a view for you at The Bay, its over looks the new gallows, but, well, its better than nothing!
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 8:36:53 PM
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Paul,

Is that typical Greens inspired law?
Posted by Is Mise, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 8:05:29 AM
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Do try to show some understanding of the world Paul, with your lack of understanding it is no wonder you are a green.

Mandatory sentencing has nothing to do with mandatory guilt. To be sentenced first you have to be found guilty of something, so all the laws of evidence & defence apply. It is simply a way of correcting judges who have become too close to the criminals they deal with all the time.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 10:54:39 AM
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I found a very effective counter punch to a similar situation.
I had to make a regular right turn off a divided four lane road from
a turning bay. Shrubbery in the centre stopped vision of oncoming
traffic in the centre lane.
After a couple of near misses I wrote and complained. A letter back
saying there is no problem.
I then wrote a letter saying I would give their letter to anyone that
had an accident there.
A day later they were there cutting it all down.
Posted by Bazz, Friday, 21 December 2018 2:57:56 PM
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Bazz in my days as a road worker if the local member wrote a complaint on behalf of any one the job got done
In truth even if it did not seem to be needed
But in matters of vision it was standard practice fix it on the spot without requests
As it should be councils seem to be a law to them selves most highways do not have high growth in roundabouts
Worth telling of the stupidity , once RTA workers removed dead animals on sight
Then a contract was drawn up, government workers contracting to the government.
Dead roo,s not in the contract, strict orders not to remove
One killed on a lady,s only entrance to her home, day one two three she wanted it moved, we not allowed to, councils job they said
Council 45 klm away
A road worker on day six mid summer whispered lady why not ring the paper
Day eight headlines photos and all
Bloke who told us we could not move it demanded we do so! she tried to buy me a beer but told her she had made my year
Posted by Belly, Friday, 21 December 2018 4:30:00 PM
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Come, come, Hassy,

Every evil doer you see in a 30 second grab on the 6 o'clock news is assumed to be guilty without trial in your eyes, and should have the book thrown at them. Just like some poor bastard being harassed by a ding bat reporter on 'A Current Affair', guilt based on the biased TV evidence as presented by the conscience of the silent majority, a bunch looking to ratings with advertising dollars attached. That is the accepted legal system of some empty heads.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 23 December 2018 8:40:21 AM
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