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Could this really be happening?

"The New South Wales Greens are on the verge of “an irrevocable split”, with two MPs threatening to quit the party unless it holds a recount of its preselection ballot and formally bans a section of the party’s hard-left faction.

In the latest escalation of the chaos engulfing the party in NSW, the upper house MPs Cate Faehrmann and Justin Field wrote to Greens members on Wednesday hinting they would leave the party unless it agreed to hold a recount of its upper house preselection ballot.

It follows another MP Dawn Walker’s request for a recount in the wake of the decision to ask Jeremy Buckingham to vacate his spot on the party’s ticket on Saturday.

Faehrmann and Field – both allied to Buckingham and part of the party’s so-called right faction – also demanded the party ban a subgroup of its hard-left faction, Left Renewal, and expel its members from the party by next Monday."
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 14 December 2018 7:15:31 AM
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We often hear that the Greens are on the way out but, like other cockroach varieties, they will always be around.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 17 December 2018 9:20:42 AM
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Paul so you are a cockroach, or is that true of the fool who used the term
Yes true the greens are in very real trouble and not just in my state
Yet they out poll even the National Party
But I am biased, when the greens stood with conservatives to block the Malaysian solution,
After blocking Labor environment acts, they proved they are, well lost
NSW has a leninist/marxist, Very left Socialist party inside feeding on it killing it
Posted by Belly, Monday, 17 December 2018 11:19:58 AM
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//Could this really be happening?//

Well, yeah... seems entirely plausible to me. Political parties have been known to schism in the past, and I see no reason why left-wing parties would be immune from the tendency to schism.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Monday, 17 December 2018 5:35:22 PM
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Isn't it amazing, the party of supercilious finger waggers now has all its female harassers, kiddie fiddlers and back biters on display.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 3:47:44 AM
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Brave Shadow Minister at a time the Sugar Daddy scandal ,is ripping the guts out of your government
I like Paul, liked the party his once was
Even some/few of their policy's
But the raw honest truth is they, driven by NSW branch are lost
They dream dreams most voters consider nightmares
They feed on fantasy that they can be something other than a product of a Senate that needs a bulldozer to end its silliness
BUT Shadow Minister *what if I used words like that against the LNP*
Can we express our contempt/dislike without the insults
IF it is ok to use words like that is it if used about our own party/biases?
I dare not stop laughing about your sugar daddy long enough to give any opinion about him
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 5:25:33 AM
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Hi Belly, I take no offence from the ravings of the forums lunatic fringe.

As for the situation with the Greens in NSW, I'm now in Queensland, enjoying the sunshine, I received the email from Cate and Justin on the issue at hand, and as a supporter of both I totally agree with what they had to say. I am a middle of the road member, having been involved with a couple of branches over the years, and I've always found the rank and file to be overwhelmingly moderate individuals, like the membership of the big two. I see no place for "revolutionary" ratbags in any major political party in Australia, we all have them, and we have to deal with them.
Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 5:55:04 AM
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Paul good to see you in the thread you are it seems from the side of the party even I once respected
Any honest look at the history of the NSW branch, its Marxist Leninist few, will be damning
Too while its vote still beat the Nationals its Victorian result highlighted a campaign and leadership total fail
The treads title if nothing else is an honest opinion based on public events that may make next years election a bad one for you
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 10:52:16 AM
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Belly,

Coming from the party of Milton Orkopoulos, Finigan, and a host of others such as Tony Burke who took his secretary on a European shagathon and Bill Shorten who has been accused of rape, you hardly hold the high ground.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 11:05:51 AM
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Shadow Minister well you are a bit out there are you not
Milt the mauler was is and always will be filth
You join a club of fools we had around here, remember that extreme right free news paper the Australian some thing or other
It had a story about a piece of filth in Queensland Labor, child molester
It claimed I and every LABOR SUPPORTER to be pedophiles
Knowing who dropped it in my letter box a work mate with the IQ of a dead BEE, he still thinks it is true
SM that post comes from an old man unsure of his place in the world, sit down start a thread *How the LNP can get out of this wreckage*
Without lies
Got any thing to do with Bees bloke?
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 4:03:50 PM
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Belly,

I'm not sure what you were trying to get at in your last somewhat incoherent post?

The Australian is not extreme right any more than the SMH is extreme left, or it would not be the most read newspaper or host ex labor heavyweights as writers.

I was simply trying to say don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 10:50:10 AM
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Shadow Minister please no fibs
What you in fact did is reach back in to the past and pull two maggots out of Labors bag
In an effort to do nothing less than avoid comment on the latest Sugar Daddy in your tainted LNP
You have form
Ostrich like ability to not see the faults on your side
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 11:17:39 AM
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"... somewhat incoherent post?" from Belly?

When was their a coherent one?
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 1:59:13 PM
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ttbn in another place you would be banned
Constant needling is all the more annoying when it comes from such a low IQ as you display here daily
I am forced to wounder if I too should insult in most posts.
Maybe better not to for a few reasons but best is not sinking to your child like depth
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 2:26:03 PM
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What “other place”? Communist China? Telling the truth is not a reason to be banned here. You could always ask for me to be banned of course. If I was told to stop addressing you, I would. It would make you look a bit of a sissy, though. However, I think you like to be a 'victim’, and secretly enjoy the attention.

You, barely literate, question my IQ? What a joke. As for insulting me: you do. You insult everyone with your blather. You are a relic that the Labor party has left behind in favour of elitist academics and the inner-city wealthy. You would be an embarrassment to them if they knew you existed
Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 4:15:35 PM
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ttbn you are in fact a rude grub, not just to me read your own post history
I am giving deep thought to my future again,
is it ok to act as you do?
AM I FREE TO INSULT JUST ABOUT EVERY ONE AS YOU DO
is IT OK TO BE A TROLL
what if we all adopt your ugly way of posting
Yes it is my view in many other sites you would be banned
Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 5:09:13 PM
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Sorry is mise for stalling your thread
It remains a subject well worth talking about
Sorry too my view will hurt a good bloke Paul
Still not sure why I can not man up and ignore ttbn
Not sure it is worth it,
But remain sure civility is not a crime,and some of us need to be a lot more civil
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 20 December 2018 6:53:47 AM
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Belly,

At least I'm not a a semi-literate grub.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 20 December 2018 8:43:09 AM
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Noted, unsure if you have free reign to insult every one or just some of us
Nothing you can say will convince me you are not a block to open commenting
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 20 December 2018 11:11:49 AM
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Free 'rein', NOT free 'reign'. As I said, semi-literate. No. I don't feel like 'insulting' anyone else. It's not about differences of opinion. It's because you preach to others when you can barely express yourself coherently in your own language. You are an old joke that has ceased to be amusing, and it's time for me to leave you with your ravings.
Posted by ttbn, Thursday, 20 December 2018 12:38:53 PM
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ttbn you have issues to dark to contemplate but still think your behavior is harmful to open discussion
Still think this site came about because GY and some others wanted a place we could freely express our views
Not a wall for needless insults
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 20 December 2018 4:14:54 PM
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In an attempt to re-install the conversation 'on topic', I must remind all that we do not have the people in govt with the ability, experience and background of running a country, let alone a business.
I gather that none of the pollies have ever run anything.
Do I need to remind everyone that a 'country' is not unlike a large corporation, and in our case, we have 25 million share holders.
Note the majors are so far below par as to be way down on the charts to the point, they aren't even on the 'world best practices' chart.
They do however feature quite prominently on the 'world worst practices' chart.
Now as much as we have some mis-guided 'greens' followers, it is relevant to note that the majors have NO idea what they're doing and so it goes that a bunch of left leaning, know nothing gardeners, not only know less, they know absolutely nothing about running a country.
Just look at their so called policies, most of them are copies of the majors, the rest are just plain stupid and lacking in any vision as all their proposals are based on so far into future that we will all be dead to be able to get our revenge for letting them stuff things up so far back in time, if we ever have a collective stroke and ever approving 'anything' they propose.
If the Greens are in turmoil, I for one, can only express my happiness at such news, and only hope they destroy themselves to such an extent they leave no trace so we won't have any of the usual stuff-ups to clean after they've gone.
Finally some good news.
Posted by ALTRAV, Wednesday, 26 December 2018 3:12:46 PM
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//At least I'm not a a semi-literate grub.//

Correct; a grub is the larvae of an insect. And you are human.
Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 26 December 2018 5:34:33 PM
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//Noted, unsure if you have free reign to insult every one or just some of us//

That would seem to be the case Belly, I would say it depends on what side of the fence you are on.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 27 December 2018 7:11:28 AM
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My biggest fear Paul is within that question, forgive me but it remains my honest concern
I do not believe the man is in any way a worth while contributor
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 27 December 2018 3:31:47 PM
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Get Spellcheck!!

Here's one, http://www.fileconvertonline.com/index.jhtml?partner=^CNL^xdm100
Posted by Is Mise, Thursday, 27 December 2018 7:15:25 PM
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No Issy, and since we have found out you no longer can pull rank with the Spell Nazis, we tell you to stick your spellchecker where the sun don't shine.

Any more order? But we still love you.
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 27 December 2018 10:22:25 PM
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I can understand why Belly is supportive of left policies given his (from memory) previously stated malady. Though he's recently indicated his long term support of the left and Bill Shorten. The left is supportive of intersectionalism. If it's any consolation to those with disabilities many of these will hopefully be addressed with improvements in technology over the coming decades. Then those with maladies won't be able to use intersectionalism to justify preferential treatment over the vast majority of Australians. I just hope it's not too late to save Australian culture. Every culture deserves their own nation.
Posted by Canem Malum, Thursday, 27 December 2018 10:29:57 PM
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cm MATE! and Ise mise, first the latter, spell check me if it pleases you
KNOW I left my last small country school unable to read or write
I have a spellcheck, not a very good one
I think still, firmly, Grammar is for making pies out of
CM please, tell me what makes your view right mine wrong
How did you find Labor is leftist
Liberal and progressive swear words
Are you posting from America
The hilbilly south?
I am a centrist,saw some, good in Howard pre his war on workers
I look forward to the incoming ALP government being just that a centrist government
Can it be, that my claim the big l Liberals, those who think like you, are the very reason Labor is going to win the election?
Canem Malem your are a bright poster
But look first at the faults of today,s Liberal coalition
Not those reporting/highlighting them
Posted by Belly, Friday, 28 December 2018 5:47:11 AM
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I think if more people thought of the world our grammar's (Grandma's) lived in- the world would be better.
There is a fallacy with the moderate stand- it enables the extreme radical left/ Trotsky permanent revolutionaries. Effectively the "moderate" are "the good that do nothing while evil is done". The moderate allow the radicals to effectively frame the issue- by the assumption of moderation of views- rather than using more objective means. The moderate essentially believe in "diversity of views" without "utilitarian favoritism"- not realizing its despotism. The radicals like to frame politics as left and right but from a Locke/ Hobbes point of view there are four positions- generally equally valid. There are two dimensions (not one)- "Social vs Economic" and "Liberal vs Conservative" (free vs discipline). The social radicals like to label conservative as extreme but they are not extreme from the perspective of change to the community. As transport and telecoms have advanced so has mass globalization- this is the new dimension of politics- it probably wouldn't have occurred without Liberalism of the markets or the accompanying free movement of business drivers such as movement of labour, capital, resources. It's an example of how social and economic forces influence each other. So we now have a three dimensional political system. Patrick Deneen believes that conservative influences such as responsible regulation of businesses or the promotion of traditional family values have been suppressed in favour of change and freedom- Liberalism. The view is rather than think- I have to look after my aging parents/ I have to put my parents into an aged home- "there's an app (business) for that". The view is business services can and should facilitate freedom- without the acknowledgement that children should be responsible for their aging parents. Deneen says that there has been a ratcheting of economic and social freedom at the expense of responsibility- Liberalism at the expense of Conservatism- freedom at the expense of caring. Sadly the fallacy of freedom (and moderates) can only be seen when looking at the issues in detail which few are willing to do.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 28 December 2018 8:13:24 AM
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CM sorry my mistake
Thought you had a bright mind open to other views
Will not make that mistake again
Maybe you should consider living in the present?
The world as you see it is long dead
Any thought true Liberalism is in any way related to long dead communism is any form is laughable but sad too
Rest assured while you wallow in the past Socialism like its enemy communism is dead
Posted by Belly, Friday, 28 December 2018 11:34:11 AM
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Belly - Thanks for your feedback.
Posted by Canem Malum, Friday, 28 December 2018 1:15:39 PM
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Belly, I have followed OLO for some time, as you may already be aware.
I must correct you on one comment or observation you make, in error.
CM, as is demonstrated by his past comments, is not one I would question, let alone try to put words in his mouth.
His linguistic skills and dare I say, more than likely, his education, seems to far exceed mine, and just possibly, if I may be so bold, yours as well.
I may find it a little daunting to read him sometimes, but that is my fault through my lacking in the English language, and in no way CM's fault.
I don't have any time for politics as it is a collective of thieves, cheats, liars, charlatans and deceitful con-men.
I have reduced my understanding of them into over-simplistic terms and titles, for me to better understand them and their antics.
So it goes that labour is a regressive party.
Where-as the Libs are the progressive ones.
It is so because libs want to make money,so they create and install the means to do so by setting up companies.
The left/labour/unions, on the other hand, once someone else has put up the money and committed themselves to great risk, come along and start threatening and blackmailing the company for more money and benefits, or part of the profits.
As I have said many times, if labour/unions want to dictate terms and conditions they are more than welcome, as long as they put up the security and cover the risk of establishing and maintaining a 'profitable' business, and not come in after the fact and make stupid, unreasonable and unrealistic demands, as if THEY own the company.
Over time I have felt that the line between the majors has become blurred, to the extent that there appears to be a cross-pollination of
policies and offerings.
No stuff them all, I look forward to a hung parliament these days.
I am promoting the likes of Hanson, Palmer and all the independents, as they have seen the light.
But absolutely, NOT the Greens!
Posted by ALTRAV, Friday, 28 December 2018 2:01:18 PM
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ALTRAV found your post interesting, and have noted big big improvements in your style
You are in all probability right about CM standard of education
You will have noted I have said our differing views are a right
I have, a few times, told CM I think he is quite bright
Before my spell I too had been here a very long time
I differ with your view, and in this case CM
Could rattle off a dozen wrong suppositions about the very right
But I lived in the uprising in Hungry Poland, a country set from by union action
Unashamedly union for life
I believe I know the past is gone, no more communism, no Socialism
And hold great respect for Liberalism and Progressives
Both are little different than the party Sir Robert Menzies founded
Unlike today,s lost Liberal Party
Posted by Belly, Friday, 28 December 2018 2:30:30 PM
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Posted by ALTRAV, Friday, 28 December 2018 2:01:18 PM

I look forward to a hung parliament these days.
I am promoting the likes of Hanson, Palmer and all the independents, as they have seen the light.
But absolutely, NOT the Greens!

Answer- I agree with the hung parliament as both the majors support high immigration (and different forms of "Locke Liberalism"- people shouldn't be responsible). At least there are many within the Liberal party that are responsibly Conservative (about 40%). But yes only independents are willing to go against the egghead "Liberalist High Immigration" orthodoxy- which is bewildering the community. The "last best hope" for Australia seems to be filling the upper houses with anti-immigration independents.

Hopefully the Traditionalist Independents have time to reverse some of the trends that "Anti-Traditionalist" elements have initiated.
Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 31 December 2018 6:37:58 AM
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CM, again you make an unsubstantiated claim // But yes only independents are willing to go against the egghead "Liberalist High Immigration" orthodoxy- which is bewildering the community. The "last best hope" for Australia seems to be filling the upper houses with anti-immigration independents.// The likes of the air head Hanson, and the disgraced self centred egotist Palmer.
Because you are an arch conservative, pro Fortress Australia and anti-immigration you claim the community is bewildered over the issue. Do you have evidence of this bewilderment? I expect a very strong swing to Labor at the next election, who incidentally have a very clear pro immigration policy.
Posted by Paul1405, Monday, 31 December 2018 7:56:04 AM
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Paul our words at best reflect or refuse to reflect current opinions of most Australians
In the end we are while here a minority
And just as real those who out number us refuse to even think about the truth
This government, not just in our eyes but 54 percent of voters is gone
Take the insults, wear it, but know truth can not be hidden by a refusal to see reality
Posted by Belly, Monday, 31 December 2018 10:20:18 AM
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Guys, what's bewildering is that the majors are now, and have for some time, been in bed together, so much so, it's impossible to tell them apart anymore.
What's more bewildering is that even though THEY are in bed together, WE are the ones getting screwed.
Also I, and I'm sure, a damn sight more people, would like to know, what foolish reason could anyone come up with to justify more 'non-christian' immigration.
Are you people not getting the same news broadcasts we are?
So please, tell us why we need more immigrants, non-christian or otherwise.
Paul, you obviously don't follow politics much or you would not suggest that Palmer and Hanson are, as you put it, as 'air head Hanson' and 'disgraced, self centred, egotist, Palmer.
Name one of these clowns from the majors, who are at least not obnoxious and littered with faults and flaws.
They're ALL tarred with the same brush, they have to be or they won't get a Guernsey in the Parliament.
The independents however, do not follow a hidden master, they are essentially loose canons.
With enough of them, they can hi-jack parliament and bring about some change and real and workable policies, assuming they don't get turned as well.
Posted by ALTRAV, Monday, 31 December 2018 11:30:57 AM
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