It does seem that Indonesia wants to see our embassy in Jerusalem as
they must realise that by making that public statement of disapproval
they removed any option that Australia had on the matter.
They would have told Turnbull to pass their concern on privately if
they had wanted to not make it a public issue.
To comply with their demand would mean that Indonesia is acquiring the
power to veto any foreign policy that we might consider.

I just do not believe that the Indonesians had not considered and
understood those implications. To think otherwise is to suggest that
their government and diplomats are not sophisticated enough to understand these matters.

Your claim is jus stupid, Bazz.

Indonesia does not have the power of veto over our foreign policy decisions, and it never will.

You seem to think we should give Indonesia the ability to control our foreign policy by pressuring us to do the opposite. I uncharacteristically say piss off! We still have exactly the same choice as we do when the move was first proposed – and we shouldn't opt for an expensive and unpopular move just to scupper a free trade agreement with Indonesia.

Bazz,

It appears that you must have made a typing error.
Indonesia is objecting to Australia's proposal of
moving its embassy to Jerusalem. Which is understandable
with Indonesia being a Muslim country that it would
support the Palestinians in the Israeli/Palestine
conflict.

Whereas the current government has not finalised its
decision on the move - we should wait and see what happens.
The decision will be made shortly. However, to move the
embassy to Jerusalem is not a good idea if we want to
maintain good relations with our nearest and largest
neighbour.

Of course Indonesia should not dictate our foreign policy,
we are supposed to be a sovereign state - but then neither
should the US. We can only trust that our recent and current
PM will have the rationality to stand firm on this
issue. After all all other embassies are trying to remain
neutral in this conflict between Israel and Palestine and
are keeping their embassies in Tel Aviv.

Diplomacy a word we once used to avoid confrontation.
In that shame filled propaganda machine Sky news last night, two grown men took on the nation to our north.
Indonesia is not just a trading partner, it is the biggest Islamic nation in the world
In saying we should take our own view, we ignore the truth
They have that right too, to an opinion
Israel, the country we, the best of us, have in our very DNA to defend, having lived in a time they saw 6 million murdered, has of late been less that it should be.
Diplomacy, not confrontation from ScoMo, who both used this thought bubble to try to win Wentworth, and is looking more Trump like, in a mini me style every day

How do some Australians know what Indonesians think ?

Bring back Turnbull

Israel’s parliament, ministerial offices, Supreme Court, President’s residence and PM’s residence have all been located in the western part of Jerusalem since the early days of the state. This is not part of the area that Israel captured during the 1967 war and is not designated by the UN as ‘Occupied Palestinian Territory’. It is not a part of the city that has been the subject of negotiations for a two-state outcome. Locating an embassy in the uncontested western part of Jerusalem would in no way pre-judge the future status of the contested eastern part of the city captured by Israel in 1967.

The Knesset is located in Givat Ram, Jerusalem not in "West Jerusalem." Even after its Berlin airlift the US had no embassy in West Berlin ( but had a Mission in "West Berlin"). Scomo has jumped without looking where Turnbull kept looking but didn't jump anywhere.

Trumps mini me ScoMo it is being said gave private assurances to Indonesia's leader this plan will not go ahead
Waiting with baited breath to see what press reporter mini me will turn on as he follows the boss more each day

Waiting with baited breath.. there's something fishy about Scomo

See even mini me supporters are baffled by his yes no maybe diplomacy,never mind, so is he

Dear Nick,

Givat Ram in general and the Knesset in particular are incontestably well within Western Jerusalem.

Western Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and normally I would place any embassies there, but the reason I oppose the move of the Australian embassy to Jerusalem, even Western Jerusalem, is that the main roads and rail-line from the rest of Israel to Jerusalem pass at one point or another through the West Bank.

Yes, it is usually possible to drive from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem on minor winding roads without sojourning into the West Bank, but almost no public transport go through those roads and when it snows they are blocked.

Over night we saw mini me desperate to cuddle the hurt out of two regional leaders who sternly told him to POQ.
He no doubt, like the man he models himself on, has been told to shut up.
Like that man he never will
He however will back down, after all Wentworth is gone.
Word has it his advisers are trying to stop him sending in the army, to the NT to stop that caravan of refugees currently in Mexico from entering Australia
Donald will cuddle you mini me

Yuyutsu
They are not in "West Jerusalem".
Basic Law: Jerusalem, Capital of Israel 1980.

1. Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel.
Seat of the President, the Knesset, the Government and the Supreme Court:

(Only the US abstained from UN Security Council vote against that).

Isn't it funny how, over the past weeks Billy Shorten has been completely out of the limelight ?
Why doesn't he stick his beak into this ? Are they keeping him away so as to gradually oust him too ?
I'd have thought this Israel Embassy circus would bring out all clowns including Billy ?

Don't need Bill . Scomo is bringing the house down.

Dear Nick,

They can say whatever they like, but the hill itself (Givat Ram), perhaps in defiance of this basic law, hasn't moved anywhere and remains in Western Jerusalem.

Austrian Hills are alive with music.
Talking Hills. | By TTH In The Talk Now
Bhutan’s Constitution .
Constitutional dilemma
.. the leader of People’s Democratic Party (PDP), Tshering Tobgay, has been telling supporters that the party will continue to play an active role from outside the Parliament.

However , the hills in Jerusalem don't speak , vote or sing. You can talk to the trees but they are legally in united Jerusalem since 1980.

individual,

Shorten has done a whine about shifting the embassy to Jerusalem, but he is whining only because he has to oppose everything. Like most people, he doesn't have a clue why the embassy should not be moved to Israel's capital, which is the norm for most countries, so he has only been able to say 'no' and shut up because he can't defend his position. Perhaps his Jewish shadow Attorney General advised him to shut it?

Mini me is doing a fine job why would Bill get involved
ScoMo is the best thing for Labor sense Abbott
Trumpy Bear no doubt will be happy with his man so too Rupert
To be honest so am I, for a while there I thought he was going to be hard to beat, is he a twitter buff yet?
He will be as he closely follows that Bear

Why should Australia move its embassy in Israel
from the current capital of Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
Jerusalem is a divided city between Palestine and
Israel. Israel wants to take over the entire city
to which Palestine and all Muslim countries object.
Why waste the money, resources, and humour the US
when leaving the embassy where it is makes absolutely
no differnce to diplomatic relations with Israel.

Dear Foxy,

Tel Aviv was never Israel's capital, only its main commercial hub.

Western Jerusalem was Israel's capital since its inception, only despite what they say it does not include the Eastern part. Except for the problem that I mentioned earlier, of having to pass through the West Bank, countries would do well to move their embassies to Western Jerusalem, yet state so clearly and use "Western Jerusalem" as their address and in all letterheads.

the flawed Donald Trump showing more integrity, courage and commonsense in moving emabssy to US than others. He makes our pollies look like total cowards. Bush promised it, Obama promised it and it took Trump to keep his word. Morrison should do the right thing and move the embassy to Jerusalum.

Aw gee , thanks , says Putin and raises his flags in east Ukraine and Crimea . NATO packs up and restores Adolf Hitler Platz name to his street in Berlin.

Yuyutsu,

Thank you for pointing out that Jerusalem has always been the capital of Israel. Some people are not as smart as they think they are.

Yuyutsu

Israel passed a law giving itself control of East Jerusalem citizens. The EU sees things that way:

"EU Parliamentary questions. 12 March 2018 . Subject: Israel's new ‘loyalty’ law and settlements in Palestine

On 7 March 2018, the Israeli Knesset passed legislation that could be used to forcibly displace thousands of Palestinians from their homes in East Jerusalem."

To move an embassy to that united city in 2018 is a choice against international law.

Dear Nick,

As you may have noticed, I also am not in favour of making that choice of moving embassies to Jerusalem, but for a completely different reason, which I explained.

International law? You would already be aware of my attitude towards national laws which dictate people's lives from 100's or 1000's of kilometres away - so how would I not despise such laws that attempt do dictate what we do or do not do from over 10000 kilometres away?

Saw Eric, you know that dill? Eric Abetz, live on Sky propaganda, news if you insist
Again showing why Labor is best to stay out of this issue right now.
See Eric is so far right he is wrong, always
He like a couple of his fellow travellers in the party, taunted both our Asian neighbors, for having a different opinion than his.
MINI ME!you have an election coming up, lock the kids in the tool shed, keep them out of sight.
The last thing you need right now is Trump like insults to people we need to get along with.
That is if you are still PM it's been a while and your job has that ejection seat after all.

West Jerusalem is recognised by the world as sovereign Israeli territory, it is also the capital of Israel with its parliament, Supreme court etc stationed there.

Having the Aus embassy in Tel Aviv is like having an embassy in Dubbo.

Yuyutsu
I didn't realise you applied your position with law to world nations.
After all , you don't ( yet) rule the world. Nations chose to accept the UN which is what you require personally. A true anarchist would not post in English but in your own invented speech. And if you are one , why bother about embassies anyway?

Giving Israel the right of conquest cancels any objections about China , it owns south China sea and Sydney Harbour, and your pc.

Dear Nick,

I don't give Israel a right of conquest, in fact I lament its 1967 occupation.

Perhaps I am not a true anarchist? I will let you decide for yourself. I never considered myself as such, I only hold that ruling over others AGAINST THEIR WILL is violence, thus unacceptable - but if others agree, then why not?

SM,

There are 88 embassies in Israel. 86 are in Tel Aviv.
Israeli jurisdiction and ownership of Jerusalem is not
recognised by the international community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Jerusalem

My dearest Yuyutsu

You are against moving there and nations would do well to move there.
Which is correct?
You say ruling against someone's will is violence and unacceptable .
Israel rules east Jerusalem that way.
Then you must be correct half the time. I'd have problems with you as my government.

Isn't the Israel/Palestine circus a perfect example when you let politics get infiltrated by religion ?

Indy a truth in that! why do humanity continue to bow to any religion,
IF we stop letting fantasys rule we may avoid all wars
However John Howard, hardly a leftist fool,, funded Indonesia to help stop terrorism being schooled in to its youth
This matter is nothing more than mini me trying to win Wentworth and crawl to his boss Trump
IF he backs down, and he will, this matter questions if he has what it takes to run this country.

Are you people who use the vague term 'religion' too cowardly to say 'Islam', which is the only religion in modern times which has caused problems for the world, and scared Western politicians sh-tless?

Christianity can't be blamed because it has been rejected by the very people who have benefited from it, and it no longer has pride of place in what used to be civilised society. There is only one religion that is growing and has the strength and believers to to wipe the rest of us out eventually, and that religion is Islam.

The Christianity that drove Islam out of Europe from the eleventh century onwards no longer exists. The atheism and lack of faith that has replaced it is no match for Islam, which is back in Europe with a vengeance, thanks to the faithless cowards of the West; and they are now coming for the English-speaking Europeans who escaped from Europe to places like Australia, North America and New Zealand.

"By early 2008, the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia had convicted 45 Serbs, 12 Croats and 4 Bosniaks of war crimes in connection with the war in Bosnia. The most recent estimates suggest that around 100,000 people were killed during the war. Over 2.2 million people were displaced, making it the most devastating conflict in Europe since the end of World War II. In addition, an estimated 12,000–20,000 women were raped, most of them Bosniak Muslims".

' The atheism and lack of faith that has replaced it is no match for Islam,'

tell the slaughtered unborn that.

Australia has always been actively supportive of
American policy moves - such as when Australian
military forces fought alongside US soldiers
in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.
Whether the government decides to move the embassy
to Jerusalem - We shall have to wait and see
what develops prior to the election next year
- and how much influence Indonesia,
the US, or the Zionist lobby will
have. The current government has always supported
Israel and the US in the past - and the chances of
Australia going against the wishes of those they
have always supported are very slim.

ttbn for the final time, stop calling people gutless
My use of the word religion is every single one of them.
The Spanish inquisition was every bit as bad as your targeted Muslims
Recent uncovering of decades no centuries of Christian child rape,scream of evil.
ttbn it is hard, talking to you, better to let your delusional insults flow than do so
but you must make an effort to pretend you are a human.

runner,

Well, it's the same atheism and faithlessness that won't/can't stand up to Islam. Abortion (infanticide), SSM, it's all part and parcel of the rejection by the West of what was the basis of our values.

Belly,

As I've said before, you are too stupid to tell me what to do.

runner,

Here's something from economist, Peter Smith, a Christian, that pretty much sums up what the Christianity-haters have wrought on Australia:

“How exactly do you go about destroying the inviolability of Western nation states?

Take this for starters. Undermine due process and the rule of law; allow mobs to quash free speech; pit women against men (via affirmative action, #MeToo and so-called ‘toxic masculinity’); invalidate the primacy of the traditional family; devalue human life via unrestricted abortion; disparage Christianity; set ethnicities against ethnicities; and, the coup de grâce, open borders to all-comers. Do this and you are on your way. The hysteria about global warming is an added bonus”

ttbn yes my fault, your less than amusing insistence on showing us you are both uniformed and child like needs no reply.
So promise not to bother, while we grown ups discuss the subject continue your game
The current meeting in our near north, would be a bad one if Diplomacy was not in play
While we push to and throw on the question has any other country the right to form our view, on any thing, Penn is committing us to a seeming partnership with his country.

Aiden, you need to get your glasses changed.

Foxy, read what I wrote again.
My suggestion was that Indonesia was playing a game.
Object to our moving the embassy and if we don't it looks like we
obey their command.
That is untenable, so we have to move the embassy whether we want to or not.

So, the Indonesians knowing that would not publicaly shout it out unless
they really did want us to move it.

Got it ?

seems spot on ttbn. To many selfish individuals virtue signalling with absolutely no morals. Even got some churches involved in the Marxist/feminist con.

Hugely impressed runner with your ability to find Marists in every corner.
Not believing in God is not a crime
Fact is more each census say they do not
Believing that God was his own [Jesus] father and that he bought about a virgin birth, with another mans
wife, is not easy

"Not believing in God is not a crime".

Not in a Christian country with the Christian God. However if, or when, Islam overuns the West as it did in parts of Christian Europe the last time, that will change. Like those unfortunate people, you will be required to convert to Islam, and therefore worship the fake god, Allah; or you will be required to pay a tax (that's where invading Muslims get their incomes from) and be subjected to ongoing humiliation; or, if you refuse those options, you will be killed.

If you could read, and read the scholarly books written about Islam, you would see that, much as Muslims are told to hate Christians and Jews, they hate atheists even more. They will be the first to go.

Dear Nick,

«You are against moving there and nations would do well to move there.
Which is correct?»

Under different circumstances I would recommend the moving of embassies to Western Jerusalem.

However, moving embassies to Jerusalem at this time would not be a good idea, until Israel constructs alternate main roads and a rail-line to Jerusalem that do not pass through the occupied West Bank.

It is impractical to expect diplomats and those who need their consular services to travel to/from Jerusalem by long, slow and winding mountain roads that get blocked when it snows.

Just think
Promise it will not hurt, MOST OF US
If we had no God, if we did not think our God, was the only one, if we did not think we needed to take on the followers of other Gods, in the name of our never existed God
What would we find to hate in any other race
Again,why did our God create all those other Gods
He we KNOW created every thing, even the hate some of us feel for others.
Maybe we can stick to the subject, this thread tells us another country wants to tell us what to do.
Relax, it will never happen America has that job all sewn up

Yuyutsu,
A large part of Israelis chose to join the new state by immigrating, knowing that Muslims wanted control of Jerusalem. Many Jews chose to fight in wars and to occupy east Jerusalem. This majority free choice is "ruling others against their will and is violence, unacceptable" in your words. It's not the UN that is the cause of Arab choice not to be ruled by Israel.

Your improved highway is then riding roughshod over both the citizens of east Jerusalem and your own opinion.

Dear Nick,

«A large part of Israelis chose to join the new state by immigrating, knowing that Muslims wanted control of Jerusalem.»

Yes, but there is no "because" in between, for some it was even "despite".
Many never cared, but were only looking for a new and safe home.

«Many Jews chose to fight in wars and to occupy east Jerusalem.»

Yes, I acknowledge the existence of such fools, but even more were conscripted and forced to fight in wars. Many others could not care less about occupying east Jerusalem and many believed at the time that the government of the day will honour its word and Israel will return Eastern Jerusalem as part of a peace deal.

«It's not the UN that is the cause of Arab choice not to be ruled by Israel.»

You say that the Arabs choose not to be ruled by Israel? I wish they did, but instead it was they who started this stupid 1967 war and subsequently refused each and every deal that would give them back control over their land, this to the dismay of so many reasonable and moderate Israelis who were in the majority at the time (alas, not any more).

The whole purpose of my improved freeway and railway-line is that they will NOT pass through the West Bank or Eastern Jerusalem. The government of Israel has shown ill will by deliberately passing a section of the main freeway, road number 1, one kilometre into the West bank and digging 6 kilometres of rail-tunnels under the West Bank. Having the same within Israel's legitimate borders could lengthen the trip to Jerusalem by no more than 1 minute.

My comment was about Arabs in east Jerusalem . The expelled Arabs don't choose for Israel to rule against those Arabs' will.That rule "AGAINST THEIR WILL is violence, unacceptable". A war 50 years ago does not change this violence by the 2018 law . What do you actually believe?

Dear Nick,

As I wrote earlier, I lament the fact that the Arabs in Eastern Jerusalem are being ruled over against their will. I feel helpless about it.

That said, I lament that anyone is being ruled over against their will, and this includes most of us, but the Chinese, Tibetans and North Koreans in particular.

I can only offer them my prayers.

Bazz,
Sorry I misunderstood you - I thought the thread's title was ironic.

However taking it literally it's no less illogical. Firstly, Indonesia has nothing to gain from our embassy being moved to Jerusalem. Secondly, moving our embassy would be very unpopular with ordinary Indonesians. ScoMo first mooted the idea in Indonesia's Palestinian Solidarity Week, so it got far more attention in Indonesia than it should have, and the Indonesian government wants to be seen as responding to its people's concerns. They probably see the actual outcome as less important, but unlike you, they know Australians are far less obsessed with avoiding losing face than they are.

There is no good reason for moving the Australian embassy in Jerusalem.
There is very little public support for such a move, and most Aussies oppose it.

We certainly shouldn't move it just to appear defiant to Indonesia. Though we should be defiant when standing up for principles, defiance purely for its own sake is stupid.
Doubly so if you think the Indonesians are trying to play us- letting them do so is the dumbest of all responses!

" Eastern Jerusalem are being ruled over against their will. I feel helpless about it...my prayers".

Can you connect approval of embassies moving there with approval of ruling against east Jerusalem Arabs' will ?

Dear Nick,

«Can you connect approval of embassies moving there with approval of ruling against east Jerusalem Arabs' will ?»

Other than the travel-through issue which I already mentioned, I cannot see a connection. Assuming the diplomats and their clients do not pass through their land, what business have the Arabs in Eastern Jerusalem with what is happening in the Western side?

nicknamenick statistics

Comments made on this thread so far. = 11

Comments made on this thread so far that that recieved a reply. = 7 all by the same person

Comments made on this thread so far that recieved no reply. = 4

nicknamenick - Understanding is needed in order to reply sensibly.

I love you too Philip. When do you want to meet?
Yuyutsu
The business of east Jerusalem Arabs is that Israel is expelling them. You say you lament it. I'm starting to think you don't mean it. I'm not sure Philip really does love me.

Why would anyone want to meet the Court Jester.

Because he's entertaining and makes us laugh?
At least he has a sense of humour and is
cool.

Dear Nick,

«The business of east Jerusalem Arabs is that Israel is expelling them.»

This is sad and Israel should not do it (anyone there listening to me?), but I fail to see how it is connected to the placement of embassies in Western Jerusalem.

Foxy I doubt he makes you laugh, I would also bet you have not read one of his comments and actually laughed, you are just using that as a figure of speech.

I would also suggest you do not understand the majority of his comments.

My view the thread was miss named
It came about, without doubt, after mini me had a thought bubble during the Wentworth by election
HE, WANTING TO IMPRESS 13.000 jewish voters said to live there, stole one of big me, Trumps thoughts
What do we gain by the move
What did mini me gain from his thought
How many countries will not, yet at least, move
Mini me now has to rethink his actions, if he backs down what was it all about
IF he does not will it be worth the pain, is there any gain

Yuyutsu,

Netanyahu sees the connection as it makes Israel great again.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/trump-netanyahu-and-a-day-of-dangerous-fictions-at-the-new-us-embassy-in-jerusalem

May 14, 2018 -Ambassador Friedman says that all the Embassy move has done is deny Palestinians “a veto over the recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel."

"violence , unacceptable" you say.

Dear Nick,

Well Jerusalem IS the capital of Israel, what's the big deal? It only includes the Western part, regardless of what goes inside Netanyahu's or Friedmans' heads.
What's that to do with the Arabs of Eastern Jerusalem (or Al Kuds)?
If anything, it means more available jobs for them in building and maintaining the new embassies, less unemployment.
Neither Israel's internal affairs, nor Netanyahu's internal mental affairs are any of their business so long as it doesn't adversely affect them, such as if the traffic passes through their territory.

If they want to make a difference, why don't they become Israeli citizens, which as long-term permanent residents they are entitled to, and vote Netanyahu out?

Philip S.,

Actually - the laughing comes more from your
responses to Nick. He really must get up
your nose that you bother to count how many
posts and responses he gets. Who does that?
And his response that you must love him - made
me laugh out loud - because Nick was spot on.
BTW - if he bothers you that much - you're
under no obligation to either read what Nick
writes or respond to him. And yet you do.
You're obviously a fan.

Yuyutsu
The 2018 Act allows Israel in west Jerusalem to remove Arabs from their home in east Jerusalem. "Knesset just passed a law that will allow for the Jerusalem ID holders to lose their permanent residency status if they do not show “allegiance to the state.”

You say "Israel should not do it" and "it's inside Netanyahu's head".

Your concern for rule against peoples' will is untrue. I think you don't know what you believe . Given authority , you probably would be quite violent ( while calmly denying it).

Foxy If that is all you can come up with you are wrong, but will try to convince yourself you are correct.

My response is having the desired effect, of course you would not notice what that effect is.

ABC Radio national news a Minister in the barnyard we call government has come out opposing the move
Mini me has got the good bloke thing going but seems like his predecessor, being held to ransom by his right of reality faction
Tip, ScoMo, people do not like or trust Trump, copying him is a no no.

Philip S.,

Malcolm Turnbull pursued an agenda -
pragmatic and evidence based, in his
lexicon "ideological" was a negative
term followed by "idiocy."

Good luck with your agenda.

//You're obviously a fan.//

Well, I suppose that is one way of putting it.

Another way of putting it is that Philip is obviously gagging for some hot man-on-man action with nick. It's quite cute really, but their flirting is a distraction from the arguments that most of us come here for. I wish they'd just pash and get it over with.

So we've just had China declaring the PNG Foreign Minister to be disloyal to the Emperor. Canberra Chinese Methodist Church included a statement which linked the rise of the Party to God's will: "The awe-inspiring righteousness of Xi Jinping, the President of the People's Republic of China, and the rise of a great nation that is modern China are part of God's plan, predestination and blessing."

It's hoped that Netanyahu will surrender peacefully at the Beijing Wailing Wall.

Foxy - Try not to make yourself out to be more than you are with that dribble of a reply.

Who or from what article did you plagiarize that crap of a reply.

Really trying to draw a parallel to the woes of Malcolm Turnbull.

Philip S.,

I can't be bothered pandering to your ego.
I'm too busy being fabulous.

A plagiarist and delusional.

We are looking more and more like a Liberal Party room meeting each day
Fighting even biting each other not truly trying to sort issues out.

The British are in Northern Ireland so they can declare Ireland is united in UK. This will solve the EU problem and allow consulates to Holy Ireland at the Blarney stone and sacred Hill of Tara. Sales of Australian potatoes will prevent famines.

"Fighting even biting each other not truly trying to sort issues out".

Apart from the crack about the Liberal party, Belly is right. When are some of you people going to realise that arguing with each other is a total waste of time. Nobody is going to have a change of mind just because somebody else disagrees with them. Most of us have been around long enough to have our opinions set in concrete; any of the regular posters who deny this are kidding themselves. We all keep saying the same thing. It's getting pretty tedious. Just express your opinions, and then shut the f--k up.

Philip S.,

You're under no obligation to read my posts.
But seeing as you do - there must be something
more to it.

Foxy - nnn comments by you 1 if he is so funny only 1 in 3 years.

Don't flatter yourself I do not follow your posts, further sign you are deluding yourself.

Trying to appease the court jester very becoming.

If ScoMO was to move the embassy to Jerusalem he would of done more good in a couple of months than Turnbull could manage since he backstabbed Abbott. ScoMo looks like losing the election anyway so he might as well do the honorable thing instead of caving into the Jes haters.

Philip S.,

If you don't follow my posts - then why
do you keep replying to them?

If I'm delusional, then you're in denial.
So we're a good match. ;-)

Unexpected support but it remains true why bully, that best describes it, those you THINK are wrong
Been holding back on a thread /subject knowing it will leave some frothing at the mouth
Still it is a subject much in the news
This one is too, it remains very likely we will see it , the change that is, dropped by its inventor

Foxy - Are you just plain stupid or off you medication.

Quote "If you don't follow my posts - then why do you keep replying to them? "

When any person goes to any page and sees their name at the top of a recent comment like this one you have used above " Philip S.," any person will read what is written and more than likely reply.

That in no way means I am following you, anyone with half a brain could easily see there are lots of threads you post on that I do not, so please keep taking your medication it is adversely effecting your mental stability when you stop like you appear to have done.

Philip S.,

In discussion forums stupidity is obviously not a handicap.
I am allergic to stupidity. I break out in sarcasm - which you can't seem to grasp.

Foxy "I break out in sarcasm"

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, you just incriminated yourself as resorting to the lowest form of humor, I rest my case.

Philip S.,

Sarcasm is not the lowest form of wit. It's actually
the ability to insult idiots without them realizing
it.

Don't take yourself so seriously, no one else does.

Foxy Give up before you look like a complete idiot rather than just a plain idiot, just take your medication and then a long rest.

Philip S.,

What are your medical qualifications?
Is it psychiatry or psychosis?

Foxy "I break out in sarcasm" Not doing a very good job of it.

The more garbage you post the more, I realize how much of a fool you are.

Come in spinner.

Philip S.,

Hmmmmmm, that's a bit too harsh.

Let me put a LOL at the end of it.

If I didn't have ethics which prevents me from supporting unnecessary harm to innocents on either side;
- Then I'd happily support turning the whole place into glass.
I don't appreciate the PM impulsively putting his own religious foreign agendas ahead of Australian interests.
- And for that matter, I don't care about Jewish votes, nor do I care for Muslim votes.
I only care about Australian votes.
If you identify as a Muslim or Jewish above your Australian identity, then in my opinion this country and its interests are not first in your heart and you don't even deserve a vote.

Go back to where you came from, or that place where your loyalty actually lies and vote there, not here.

Hey ttbn,
“How exactly do you go about destroying the inviolability of Western nation states?"

I think I know why we always see the politically correct 'Australian' as being Asian, Muslim or Indienous, but not often a white Australian.

I think they would say this:
"We can't use a white person, because that might be misconstrued as being supportive of a 'White Australia' policy, which is now considered racist.

PC is cancer.
Real Aussies are now just white racists.
- And fake Aussies not born here, they're now the real Aussies in a Multicultural' Australia.

AC,

You talk about "real Aussies?"

Here's just two examples:

1) You find yourself ignorant of nearly all the
facts deemed essential in the government's new test
for migrants.

2) In 1967 Australia lost a Prime Minister.
He went swimming at some beach and just disappeared
presumed drowned. And what did we do in respectful
memory of our fallen leader?
We named a swimming pool after him.

Built in the 1960s by Australian architects, the Harold Holt Swimming Centre is considered to be a fine example of Brutalist architecture. Wikipedia.

well said...

Hi Foxy,
I was born in the 70's but I know the basic story about PM Harold Hold, how he went swimming on a beach somewhere near Sydney - maybe the Central Coast and was never seen again, body never recovered - is that right?
- I'll have to check.

Hey ttbn,
This is a Part 2 to my prior comment above re: Globalism and PC agenda..
I figured out more.
'Change the Society - Change the Government.'
Right here - its their plan.
http://youtu.be/364cxeR5EAg?t=686

But furthermore:
'Control the inputs, and you control the outputs.'

Now think more about my advertising example:
- Why we always see the politically correct 'Australian' as being Asian, Muslim or Indigenous, but not often a white Australian anymore.

Now if I indoctrinate Uni students - actually I want to use the term 'brainwash' because I think it fits better;

If I brainwash all the University students with all this politically correct (racism / gender / diversity / white privilege / minority -type bullcrap)

- If I control that input

The idea of putting a white person on an Australian pamphlet basically just comes down to this.

- I don't even have to guilt-trip and remind them that putting a white person on an Australian pamphlet is a definite 'no-no' because it might possibly imply support for a 'White Australia' policy;

They've don't just know that already, they completely believe it because they've already been guilt-tripped; peer pressured and indoctrinated through teachings of Marxism to already think that way.

Control the input, control the output.

It's really all just a big psy-op on a societal level.

...Just the idea (psychology behind) 'putting a white person on a pamphlet in Australia'

But there is another side to this story too, and I think its 'birth rates in Western nations'.

Got it wrong - it was a beach near Melbourne not Sydney.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Holt
Interesting reading...

"All the way with LBJ".
Interesting.

The same LBJ that probably killed JFK in 63?
The same LBJ that was President at the time of the Gulf of Tonkin incident?
The same LBJ that was President during the Phoenix Program?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program

Interesting.

AC,

Yes indeed - Australia was "All the way with LBJ."
However LBJ had nothing to do with the assassination
of JFK. He was President during the Gulf of Tonkin
incident which the military stuffed up, and also
the Phoenix program - however he decided not to run
for re-election as President when in 1968 presidential
primaries an anti-war candidate backed by student
volunteers did unexpectedly well.

As you say - interesting history.