A third are in Culture and Society courses. 21% in Health and 13% in Education courses. According to the data.

No idea how this compares to non-Indigenous but it would be good to see more in areas like Science, Technology and Engineering

Hi Barry,

Yes, indeed: but there were four times as many graduates in 2017 in Architecture as in 2005; nearly four times as many in IT; nearly three times as many in Management and Commerce. All from small bases.

Society & Culture includes Arts, Humanities, Performing Arts, etc. Graduate numbers in these fields rose only by 78 % since 2005. Annual Education graduate numbers rose only by 48 %, to 372, but given that this is a field of study which has long been popular, with around eight thousand qualified Indigenous teachers now, this isn't too surprising.

The Sciences require solid secondary-school preparation over five years: there aren't too many short-cuts possible. I helped to run a one-year intensive Bridging Course for Conservation Management students (the first and only such course) with a very heavy emphasis on Biology, which none of the students had studied in school. Eventually, half of our course was Biology, but the students still had trouble with it when they transitioned to the mainstream course.

Joe

ttbn, you claim you're not being racists, but you said university education of Indigenous is is not necessarily a good thing, and one reason for that, according to you is more "ratbag activists" are being spat out. Your great fear is these so called ratbag activists, those educated Aboriginals who through education can articulate and demand what is right for their people. You don't like those sorts, you never take the side of a minority, content to leave things as they are, tolerating injustice for the sake of maintaining the status quo, and the privileged position of some. If that's not a form of racism, what is it?

Your spray has no effect on me. I hope you get all the love you deserve.

I say the same thing about white ratbags you damn fool. Your super sensitivity to imagined racism must have something to do with your marriage to a Maori woman. You are the one who has problems with race. I'll bet your wife is aware of it, and probably feels most uncomfortable with your fixation. She has my sympathy.

Not at all ttbn, its just I can pick a racists when I see one. The fact you are down on some white folk is neither here nor there. Its easy to understand where you are coming from.

Trying the personal attack gets you nowhere, you're still a racists.

Explain why the so called "ratbag activists" are such a bad thing.

Ttbn,

Indigenous people have as much right to be ratbags as you do, and I would defend your right to continue to be a ratbag. I don']t know where you get the idea that Indigenous students are more 'radical' than any others. In my experience, they were far more concerned - especially those who eventually graduate - about their studies. In fact, I can't really recall all that any students being 'radical' ratbags, only one here and there over the years, at least from 1981 to about 2005.

Of course, once they graduate and look for work, the quota system seems to work two ways: it confines them to the Indigenous domain under the control of the Industry and its associated white bureaucracy; and shuts them out from the mainstream. Employment agencies defer to 'consultants' and 'elders' who screen out those not known for sycophancy to 'leaders' or 'elders' and loyal to the Narrative.

You're barking up the wrong tree. Indigenous people have as much right to education, to the highest levels, as you do. You can quibble (like many on the 'left' do actually, Ttbn, they're so worried that Indigenous people will lose their culture and, worse, get - horrors ! - assimilated) but that's the situation and their right from the point of view of equal opportunity.

Joe