If one feels it's always the people on the other side who are at fault conflict will continue. Quite often one side mirrors the other. The left mirrors the right, and the right mirrors the left. There are humans on both sides of the barricades. We fear the 'beasts' on the other side of the wall.

Let's just for a moment look at the hate Trump is supposed to dish out according to those wh view responsibility & compassion as a fad.
How many times do we read of Trump's divisiveness ? He is not divisive, only those who lack real compassion & a sense of responsibility are the divisive ones because he does what needed to be done years ago. He's dealing with the hangers-on & they don't like it one bit. He's not devisive, he's managing the rott.

To Belly.

Two thoughts. One, what is the difference between despising something verses hating? I've found often people who play word games with similar words are mostly trying to avoid that they indeed do something they don't want to admit that they do. If you can clarify a good difference between despise and hate great, then let us know how you have one but not the other. If on the other hand you can't separate the two, then that might be better. You already feel strongly against hate, if you recognize when you have hate (or when you despise), then you can look at those areas within yourself to improve how you are.

The second thought is to challenge the idea that hate can not accomplish anything. I'm not for hating, but I can also recognize a few times in my life when my hating something became the motivation to do something about that issue. For me that example came from dealing with an insurance company that I grew to despise more and more. My anger was the motivation to fix the issues they presented me. So I called them every day on break for two and a half weeks till everything was resolved.

I'm not proud of my anger on that, or how I acted. And looking back it is a behavior I will try not to repeat. But the anger did accomplish what it was after. An unfortunate truth is that hate is a motivating emotion that can often get results. But it turns us into monsters usually, regardless of results. It's worth recognizing in ourselves when we have it, to make sure we don't continue in the hatred boiling within us.

To David. Your hatred towards Christianity and the bible are noted. Several times from conversations before this one. But as for the points I made for avoiding hatred, do you disagree with them? Or do you only disagree because those points came from studying the bible? Don't turn this conversation into another topic of your hatred towards Christianity. I think a real look at the topic of hatred can be worth while for any of us. Especially if it can expose the things we can work on for ourselves and those we interact with so hatred is not an issue that each of us does.

Dear NNS,

I see no necessity to continue to deal with the horrors of Christianity and Islam, the two main missionary religions. If you want to go on about why one superstition is somehow superior to the other superstition you will do so.

Neither the Bible nor the pagan myths are evil in themselves. We should recognise both as being products of their times and glean what we can from them.

I agree with you that hatred is or can be a motivating force. You wrote:

"Conquer evil by doing good." Evil remains and is not conquered by one doing good. However, by doing evil we become evil. We should do good if we want to be good.

You also wrote: "Let justice be in the hands of the authorities and instead for ourselves look at it from a perspective of trying to redeem another person, or to avoid them if redeeming them is not an option."

I think one should question the authorities and not assume they will provide justice. I think we should realize that sometimes there will be injustice whatever we do. I think it is arrogant to presume one can redeem another person. That assumes you decide another person is in need of redemption. Redemption is something one has to do for themselves. I think some of your ideas are wrong, but I will just have to accept you for what you are rather than assume I can redeem you. I don’t think either of us need redemption from the other. We just differ and will continue to differ.

Dear NNS,

You also wrote: “At least this helps to try to treat others the way I'd like to be treated, without neglecting what needs to be done, or a correction and critism that I assume is needed. But when it gets out of hand and you can't be around someone without a history of anger boil over. Then give them space, and walk away. Even if they count that as a win in a debate, it's as much for your benifit as it is theirs to walk away from it all.”

If I treated you the way I like to be treated you might not like it. You might not want to be treated that way. I think it is a better idea to find out how the other person wants to be treated rather than merely treat them the way you like to be treated. It may not be possible or good for you to treat the other person the way they would like to be treated.


Here again you decide what needs to be done. Why not find what the other person thinks needs to be done? Sometimes you will not agree. We have had discussions in the past and disagreed on what needs to be done.

I agree that sometimes it is best merely to walk away even if the other person counts it as a win.

I think you are securely encased in the arms of superstition. You apparently would like others to join you in your superstition. However, we are both human and will continue to differ.