indy have you ever been in a union, did you need its help, did you benefit from being a member, did it let you down, that happens.
what is the basic reason you dislike them, put some meat on your posts.
Did you fall victim to one, maybe the thief who sold 300 tickets then took off with the money? knew him
Ever see me on a winter morning leaving home no over time at 2 am? drive for 4 hours to be at a 6am meeting mid winter, did that about twenty times.
fell in to a river at 5 am mid winter tried to dry my clothes with car heater as I drove the last hour, stood cold and freezing at that meeting, know why? it was another blokes area, he was a turd, his members asked me to be there, unions, there is a difference

Indi, if I may add some info to Belly's question.
Belly, if I were to answer your question, 'what is the basic reason you hate them'?
Well let's see, bullying, strong arm tactics, threatening behaviour, being the main cause of the rise in the cost of living to EVERYONE not just union members.
Govt's handing out millions in subsidies to car makers and many other companies just to keep them competitive.
Closure of companies, and sacking of thousands of Aussie workers, because the unions made them unviable.
And the list goes on.
We already know all this and more because it's old news and anyone can read it any time, except for you and your lot, who want everyone else to believe your fanciful version of events.
Why tell us the story about you being a sucked in moron that would follow these thieves and con-men to the ends of the earth only to find when you got there, they drop you like a ton of bricks.
Where's your precious union now for all those thousands of workers who fell in the water in the middle of winter and stood there freezing their nuts off listening to a load of BS.
How many of them are being payed un-employement by your precious union.
I'll bet those pigs/union reps, leaders are all eating well today, at your expense.
Belly just because you are infatuated with some slick talking snake oil salesman, does not mean anything.
You are flawed in your demeanor.
I, on the other hand I, am a cynic, a pessimist, an optimist with a solid hold on reality and a fair ability to question things and not take them at face value.

Belly,
you're confusing the odd decent blokes in Unions with the collective outfits. I actually was sent to a course to become an AWU rep for our area. I pulled out after the delegate who addressed uor group did nothing but Howard bashing, he literally put us all off the course.
What makes me so angry about unions is their constant quest for higher wages. What does that achieve apart from subsequent higher costs of living & destroying just about all manufacturing industry in Australia.
As far as your winter experiences go let me tell you I had the very same.
Unions can be good but not when they stop showing concern about the whole Nation.
Union movement across the board need cleaning of their swamp.
I'll never forget that insufferable fat, red-faced pig of a man BL who rather than wait for us to receive our first wage so we could pay the union fees, telling us to f..k off to where we came from.

Sorry ALTRAV and indy, yes I think I was one of the good ones, know not all have been but gee do you think bosses unions are useless?
They exist you know, right now are, no truly, are fighting to replace decades old EBA s with awards that have not been updated [no wage rises] for three decades.
Lent four hungry men a thousand dollars, my whole bank account, till I could get their wages, took two weeks, went hungry, do you know such men exist in every union.ALTRAV you are in all probability a good bloke but gee you have a bigotry that is unfocused and in my view you have no evidence to support it.
A workers hands brain and body are his, he/hers they sell them, in my view gives a fair days work for a fair days pay in return
workers are AUSTRALIANS not any thing else

Belly, the reason I can say the things I say is because I have lived them.
What if I told you that the Aussie worker was one of the highest paid relative to their productivity.
My father started his own business and of course I started up there.
I watched the company grow to well over 100 staff.
Decades later, I am now retired, but my next youngest brother, (I am the oldest of three) started his own company and at last count employed over 130 people.
Now back to your comments.
The one I'm going to challenge is your claim that there has not been a wage rise in many years.
My response is, I hope there never is one ever again.
I've already explained, if you keep putting up wages, your putting up costs.
The only people who don't get it are the people themselves.
Ask a pro' and listen as they explain that the unions force the boss to up the wages.
The boss, just like the banks, is NOT going to carry that extra cost, so he adds it onto the products he makes.
You and your mob go shopping a week later and, damn, the price has gone up.
Slowly over time, it's a fact, you realise you are buying less for the same amount of money, or you are paying more for the same goods.
Now one thing that happens, that I hate, is that the boss doesn't just increase the cost by the amount he had to pay in extra wages, NO, he adds a little more, because he too wants to benefit from this wage increase.
So, if you remove the unions from the equation, you will find that there will be stability in all sectors, both in wages and goods and services.
By not increasing wages you will find that over time the prices will 'stabilise' and more often than not, even decrease.
Belly, here's a fact for you.
The unions did NOTHING to help the worker, or the country, but EVERYTHING to help themselves.
It's happening again right now.

Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 4:15:06 PM-

"Got that wrong my fault, tell you this, my union fought communism here in the 40's and 50's. They do not exist now, not in numbers world wide to put on a decent bar b q.SURPRISE! it is my view this site was developed to see every view free to be covered, not just yours"

Answer-

See Socialist Alternative

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Alternative_(Australia)

See Socialist Party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Alternative_(Australia)
http://thesocialist.org.au/

There have been a number of things happening since the 50's in the Labor Party in the Unions and in the Public Service. Interesting exercise might be to view the Hacktivist/ Anonymous movement though a Global Socialist/ Communist lens- that's not to say that the Hacktivist movement was pro or con Socialist- some would say Hacktivists are Anarchists, Free Speech Advocates, Anti-Globalists, Anti-Conservative, etc- The Hacktivist Movie indicates that the movement brought together people with a range of views- but there were some commonalities. The Stonewall originated- LGBTIQ World Movement in the seventies apparently joined Working Mans Organizations in order to influence Socialism to adopt LGBTIQ values.

You could probably argue that Socialism is not Communism but I find it basically the same.

It's sad that unions fought communism in the 40s and 50s only to apparently have it rear it's head again.