Toni, It is apparent you cannot distinguish between persons in a group and a group ideology. Of course not all Muslims follow the same extreme ideology, that is their personal identity. However the prophet's words and actions define the ideology of Islam. Not every Muslim acts and follows the words of their prophet, but they admire those that do. Similarly with Christians.

Thank you Toni, "Of course you do not consider these acts prescribed in Islam as extreme"

"No, they are extreme. And reprehensible."

It saves me telling the dill myself. Toni I don't know how these blokes think.

It was good how Hitler tried to exterminate all Jews, because did you know, some Jews were murderers! What a ridiculous argument!

Josephus, wanting to protect your family is reasonable. Wanting to protect them by using extreme methods is extreme.

//Toni is happy to ignore Muslims grooming and raping children//

That's libel, Josephus. Pull your head in, you nasty little troll, or I may have to have words with the moderator.

//British Police are arresting persons who critique Islam//

That story is from five years ago, dude. And they were arrested for incitement. I'm in favour of anti-incitement laws; inciting violence is not reasonable expression of free speech, it's shouting 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre. If it should be illegal for Muslims wear shirts that say 'Behead all those who insult the Prophet.' - which it should - then it must also be illegal for non-Muslims to incite violence against Muslims on social media.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/nsw-cabinet-must-make-inciting-violence-a-crime/news-story/02c12d8d608f3870eb95c463b01761a7

The discussion between Josephus and Toni Lavis as I've been able to follow...

Step 1- Josephus gave links indicating that the book that Muslims follow is immoral.

Step 2- Toni Lavis admitted that the referred to items in the book are immoral.

Step 3- Josephus gave links indicating that gang rape has been occurring on the basis of the beliefs in the Muslim book.

Step 4- Toni Lavis indicated that these items of the book are not held as true by all Muslims.

Step 5- Josephus indicated that Toni Lavis may be in denial that nothing specific should be done about addressing these issues- perhaps because of Muslim sensitivities and political correctness.

Step 6- Toni Lavis advises Josephus to cease and desist on the basis of libel.

I'm not sure what conclusion a court would come to in the current pathological environment.

Some may jump to the conclusion that Christian's could also be subjected to the same analyses- but 1. Britain is traditionally a Christian country not a Muslim country- and 2. there hasn't been a link drawn between modern activities relating to extreme behavior such as gang rape or violence in the UK that relate to the Bible.

In order to solve serious issues we have to be able to discuss them in a robust way- otherwise we sew the wrong thread into the weave of our society. It takes courage to have our views challenged- if gang rape of this magnitude is occurring- clearly this is a serious problem that need serious people and serious and sometimes difficult solutions. If we turn a blind eye to the distal causes then "we are responsible".

Those with a socially progressive bent from experience don't seem to be able to make the quantum leap and accept that something needs to be done despite these actions move against their ideology.

This indicates that for these people the ideology is more important than solving the issue- when the issue is massive gang rape it is very concerning.

If the ideologists attacked the credibility of the article I could give them the benefit of the doubt- but the argument didn't proceed in this form.

The fundamental problem with Progressives is that their rhetoric is merely progressive jargon whilst the results of their idealism are progressively regressing society.