Belly,

If you do not see Islam as a problem for the World (and Australia) then you would come under my Muslim mate's dictum that the Australian Government (and others) is mad to allow Muslim migration.

I am baffled but not surprised, this thread has turned in to a hate Islam one.
Lets not play mind games, I too do not like that faith.
Never did never will, know it once lead humanity in science and much more, too this very much ex born again Christian does not like the Catholic Church/Faith, indeed the American Christian right and our very own Hillsong pty ltd re enforces my view, no God ever existed.
Now the sins of every faith, as shown in the Royal Commision in to sexual assaults of children, HIGHLIGHTED decades long offending in the Catholic Church, by people leading that Church, are then *all Catholics phedopkils?* off course not! why then are all Muslims said to be? *have we all studied the First Testament?* is it not just as cruel as the Koran? in fact are they not much the same? I actually would rather assimilation, not multiculturalism, but, do not demand others give up their faith, it would be a better world if we all did, but while I may not be in Gods waiting room death is our path not a forever room in the house of any God that requires us to hate others we are quite sure he gave life to as well as us, well not me in that last bit it was evolution that bought us about and phantom Gods that showed us how to hate each other

Belly said;
know it once lead humanity in science and much more,

Actually that is an exaggeration. Before Islam Baghdad became a centre
of science, I think around ad100. The science advance that occurred
in Andalusia (Spain) was mainly driven by the Jews. The Jews were
dhimmini, ie 2nd class citizens who pay the Jizah tax to muslims.

I do not know who were the driving force in science in Baghdad but
there was a lot of scientific development, including the size of the
earth and that the earth rotated around the sun, but most of this came
from the Kazarks in Central Asia.

The muslims have claimed a lot of these developments for themselves.
You may not know that the official belief of Islam, as affirmed by
the university in Cairo, whose name I have forgotten, and is the
premier centre of Islamic study states that the earth is flat.
It cannot be a sphere as Allah has stated in the Koran that it is flat.
So there !
It must be hard for muslims to reconcile the real world against what
these very learned Immans state is true.

Whoops Belly,
Just went back and checked.
I have got the date wrong for science in Baghdad.
It was in the 9th century after the advent of Islam.
Whether the Jews had a part in it I do not know as most Jews were in
exile or dead at that time.
I know that it was the Kazarks that brough scientific knowledge to
the Middle East. It will give me something to research.

Found a bit more on Central Asia.
The Uzbeks it appears were the well stream of Central Asian science.
Kazarkstan also shared in that scientific development.

Like many, the Central Asian countries are to me like another planet.
Judging by what I have read I think Indian mathematics drove science
through the whole area. Google it Belly, it is an eyeopener.

"I am baffled but not surprised, this thread has turned in to a hate Islam one."

Whenever people use the word 'unbelieveable' etc. - in a sense of astonishment at some event, I usually always think of the counter-argument such as 'totally believeable'.

Many people are narrow-minded.

What did you think was going to happen Belly?
If I said at the beginning that there's a 90% chance this discussion would become a heated disagreement over Islam, would anyone really have been surprised?

Why are you baffled?
Are you baffled that others don't think the same as you do?
Please explain.