Hi Foxy,

Its through social conditioning that the extreme becomes the norm. Using truths, half truths and down right lies, generally called propaganda, the radical converts the moderate, who already has a propensity to their way of thinking, to come to accept over time, that, that what was extreme is now the norm.
In the mind set of the ordinary German the eradication of the Jews when it happened was not extreme but normal. If you look at the history of Nazism and the "final solution", it was a slow but deliberate progression by the Nazi's to win over firstly, the German elite, and then ordinary Germans to their way of thinking. They were successful.

Could such a thing happen in Australia, most certainly given the right conditions, and of course the willing participants. All we have at the moment is some conservative politicians and their supporters who want to play with fire in this regard for political advantage. But they are a long way, away from the "final solution" for some unsuspecting minority group in society.

Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 6:33:31 PM- "ordinary Germans became willing participants with the Nazi's in the extermination of the Jews. They were not racists, most didn't even particularly hate Jews. They were Germans who worked in industry and business, in banks, in the railways, in lots of occupations, they were neighbours and friends of Jews. But they all, millions of Germans, provided the services and cooperation the state required to do what was done, the ordinary people become willing participants in the annihilation of millions of Jews. That kind of thing happening in Australia, is far more likely than any civil war, or mass uprising of a minority."

Answer- Paul1405 seems to have a pretty low opinion of the Australian people. He seems to be saying that those that believe that immigration is too high are "Jew killers". In reality war is hell- everyone kills everyone- war prisoners are killed. The Chinese warring states period was particularly violent and genocidal. The attempt of some is to manage the level of insanity- paraphrasing Socrates "the ones that don't want power need to seek it otherwise those that shouldn't have it will get it- (Philosopher Ruler)". Genocide is a phenomena that requires specific circumstances to occur- to equate conservatives with those that implemented Jewish concentration camps is inaccurate. I'm surprised at Foxy that she being an apparently educated person appears to buy into a "Reductio ad Hitlerum" argument. Perhaps this is just a function of the madness of current affairs.

CM, //Paul1405 seems to have a pretty low opinion of the Australian people. He seems to be saying that those that believe that immigration is too high are "Jew killers"//

Where am I saying that. In fact as a minority in Australia Jews are a less targeted group than many other minorities. The favoured target group at the moment are Muslims. When I say "that kind of thing" I am not referring to Jews as such, but to some minority that could become the scapegoat for the extreme.

The question was asked; Are we facing civil war? My view is that the state is more likely to conduct genocide against a minority, than there being a civil war, or a minority uprising. All those possibilities are unlikely in the foreseeable future.

Dear o sung wu,

You asked;

“Where do you get off calling JOSEPHUS a 'knocked kneed little person'...?”

I know, pretty timid wasn't it. You were wanting to knock his block off and all I could come up with 'knocked kneed little person'. It doesn't quite cut it does it. I have been observing your erudite delivery and I promise I will do my best to mirror your fine prose in the future. However under your erstwhile tutelage I do feel I am making progress.

To more serious matters you asked;

“Just a query is all, but what made you become such a Socialist in your views and politics?”

I didn't, I was brought up in a different time I suppose, when this country prided itself on things like egalitarianism and a fair go for everyone. I have owned and operated small businesses most of my working life and actually love capitalism. But I know it needs civilising at both ends. Ultra rich and ultra poor taint and degrade the system. I have always believe in paying a fair wage and for instance when I have asked people to work weekends they were paid appropriately.

I am proud of a country that created Medicare and adopted the 40 hour working week. I have come up against some unpleasant union officials in the past but believe in strong worker representation. If things like this make me a socialist in other people's eyes I generally tell them to take a flying leap and to go learn some history.

Finally of course this country was stolen, anybody who believes otherwise also doesn't know its history. It is difficult to turn back time however many other nations have treaties with their original inhabitants. When the idea was floated that New Zealand become part of Australia one of the major sticking points was the because it would have negated the Treaty of Waitangi and the fact that a similar treaty was not entertained in this country. The Kiwis passed on the offer.

Paul1405 "Its through social conditioning that the extreme becomes the norm. Using truths [we are a species], half truths [most peoples share similar values] and down right lies [all people are equal, there won't be significant demographic change], generally called propaganda, the radical converts the moderate, who already has a propensity to their way of thinking, to come to accept over time, that, that what was extreme [unprecedented massive multicultural/multiracial unrelenting influx, irrespective of impact] is now the norm [we are a multicultural society that must tolerate everything].

If you had shown Australians in 1960 film footage of Sydney today, they would think it was another country, but unsure which country, as it would resemble NONE.

Today's cultural "norm" is absurdly extreme, by any historical standard.
Yet "we" [not including myself] have "accepted this over time" through social conditioning/propaganda.
The problem is no amount of wishful thinking will maintain this illusion for much longer.

Hey Foxy,
"You can support whatever you want.
And the rest of us will do likewise.
We'll see how history will judge us."

I'm not trying to be deliberately difficult you know;
At least no more than I a genuinely see the flaws in your logic when it's applied across the board.
- To different countries and cultures'.

As for history we can rest assured that what's happening in UK and Europe as a result of Islamic immigrants will certainly happen here eventually if we stay on our present course, and it's happening already.

We know this because we've seen what's happened elsewhere, and we are following the exact same UN social model.

So, as much as I'd prefer that history judged me a paranoid delusional fool who was worrying about nothing, (because in the bigger picture it's actually the far better outcome)
I think it's more likely that history will judge me right, and it will judge you as an ignorant fool who helped sell us down the river of no return completely, and all the hell it will bring to so many.

I truly wish you a long life Foxy.
I want you to be here to see what you chose when it happens.