Mehreen Faruqi is supposed to represent a State in a Westminster Government, yet she berates English settlement in Australia and White skin Australians. She is posing for civil disobedience against our laws and culture. This can only propose a change to our form of Government and laws and promote racism by colour of skin. She has made no real contribution to represent all the people of her State, nor the business of Government.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/aug/21/mehreen-faruqi-warns-against-normalisation-of-racism-in-first-senate-speech

Watch this space for the rise of civil conflict as she prefers to represents her colour and her culture, rather than the unity of all Australians

//Are we facing civil war?//

Piss off, Cromwell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bWgQxEW4pQ

Nobody wants your civil war.

But if any of you Roundhead pillocks want to start literally getting up in arms because you're triggered by people saying that racism is bad, I think you'll find that the law takes a dim view of that kind of thing. Sedition and such like are a good way to earn yourself a lengthy stretch at Her Majesty's convenience, so I'd advise anybody against it.

From 1,750 BC we have had conflict identified by skin colour in the Middle East as identified by the Code of Hammurabi. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/ancient/hamframe.asp
The Middle East is a constant conflict of culture, skin colour, understanding and religion. Even among those of the Muslim factions. Australia has welcomed Muslims and Indians from the beginning who has assimilated and quietly followed their culture; but it just now that divisiveness by new settlers is creating unsettlement in their fight to make all Australians adopt their religious culture. They are working with sections of the Australian aboriginals to rewrite Australian history, to remove what they consider white English Culture and law. "We do not accept your laws, only the laws given by Mohamed from Allah."

//They are working with sections of the Australian aboriginals to rewrite Australian history, to remove what they consider white English Culture and law. "We do not accept your laws, only the laws given by Mohamed from Allah."//

Aboriginals don't believe in Allah or follow Mohammed, Josephus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Aboriginal_religion_and_mythology

Do you just make this crap up as you along?

What a disturbing attempt at a discussion.

As if we haven't had enough divisive action and
deliberate, attempts at the
destruction of the fabric of our society - by
malcontents during the past week - and now this post?
With more divisive preaching and stirring.

Shame on you!

What's this nonsense about "the unity of all Australians"?

Just because people's homes are located within this continent does not and should not make them united about anything - on the other hand, not being united is not a valid reason for war/conflict.

Dear Foxy,

You talk about "attempts at the destruction of the fabric of our society", but this society of yours has forced itself upon all the inhabitants of this continent (and surrounding islands). What right have you to control other people's lives?

Yuyutsu,

We've been over this more times than I can count.
And frankly I'm not going to be dragged into this
conversation with you again. I'm not the one
telling people what to do. We have laws that do that.
Laws enacted by our Parliament under the Australian
Constitution. If you can't accept that then you don't
accept the fundamentals of what Australia is and what
it stand for. Perhaps you'd be happier living elsewhere.

Cheers.

https://theconversation.com/long-history-with-islam-gives-indigenous-australians-pride-3521

"In the 2001 national census, 641 Indigenous people identified as Muslim. By the 2006 census the number had climbed by more than 60% to 1014 people."

60% increase in 5 years, Toni Lavis.

"Nobody wants your civil war."

Nobody ever does. They still happen when social stressors reach a critical level, which will happen sooner or later with unrelenting discordant immigration.

don't know much about this ungrateful muslim however it just shows that Fraser Anning was right in 99% of what he said. No doubt when Australia becomes as dangerous as London with its mass paedophile and terrorism the dumb and dumber regressives will blame the 'racist' who have warned against.

Once any country swaps it's culture and values for multiculturalism, anything can happen. A Pakistani in the Australian senate? How absurd.

A civil war? I think Australians are too beaten down and apathetic for that. Millions of unsuitable immigrants, and Australians are still voting for the same people who brought them here without reference to anyone. Australians cannot lift their heads anymore.

///By the 2006 census the number had climbed by more than 60% to 1014 people.//

I stand corrected. A vast 1,014 out of 455,026 - about 0.2%, or 1 in 500 - of indigenous people recorded in the 2006 census were Muslim.

Not exactly what you'd call a popular mass movement amongst indigenous people, is it?

Of course, it's very easy to demonise the 'other' when you don't have a clue what they're really like because you're too frightened to step outside your bubble. You should try talking to some blackfellas some time, most of them are alright.

....A civil war? I think Australians are too beaten down and apathetic for that...

What is an Australian? Better question!

Dr Mehreen Faruqi, is a very knowledgeable and capable politician. She demonstrated her ability to represent all the people of NSW in that state's Legislative Council, and no doubt will be an asset for all of us in the Australian Senate.

//yet she berates English settlement in Australia and White skin Australians.// No Josephus, she berates the likes of you, not because you are white, that is far from it, but because you are a red necked racists, only worthy of contempt. You are the divisive one, you are the hateful one, not Mehreen.

//rise of civil conflict// explain this desire of yours for civil conflict, no doubt you will be in the vanguard when such arises.

runner, //shows that Fraser Anning was right in 99%// In that 99% is a Nazi reference to the "final solution" well known as a euphemism used by the Nazi's for the murder of millions of Jews. Unless you and Anning are a complete pair of total imbeciles, then you would known exactly what Anning was alluding to. I take that back, you so often demonstrate on here a imbecilic nature.

ttbn, //A Pakistani in the Australian senate? How absurd.// It most certainly would be absurd. The High Court should boot them out immediately. BTW who are you referring to? As far as I know all Senators are Australian citizens. Although the likes of Fraser Anning might be less than human.

We can all be grateful few agree with the supposition this thread puts, and sad that still, in a country that is founded on migration,we still see such unfounded fear and loathing expressed by the few

Toni Lavis, a lesson in exponential statistics:

Starting point: 641

+ 60% every 5 years

5 years: 1014
10 years: 1604
15 years: 2537
20 years: 4014
25 years: 6349
30 years: 10044
35 years: 15889
40 years: 25136
45 years: 39762
50 years: 62900
55 years: 99503
60 years: 157404
65 years: 248998
70 years: 393891
75 years: 623098

In one lifetime, *all* Aborigines are Muslims.

"Are we facing civil war?"

No. No and no. Apart from anything else, you can't have a civil war when the citizenry are disarmed.

I wouldn't have commented on this silly thread except to ask this question...

"From 1,750 BC we have had conflict identified by skin colour in the Middle East as identified by the Code of Hammurabi. "

Question: What in Hammurabi's Code indicates conflict between races or over skin colour

Nah Shockadelic, long before all Aboriginals become Muslims, the whole of Australia, including all the Aboriginals, all the Muslims, all the boy scouts, in fact all of us, joined the Hillsong Church. Starting with two members in 1983 Hillsong had grown to 40,000 by the year 2000. In fact by the year 2010 all Australians had joined Hillsong. Including you, Toni and me. Well not me, there is always the odd one out!

//In one lifetime, *all* Aborigines are Muslims.//

Nope, they'll all be Elvis impersonators well before then.

"There are now at least 85,000 Elvis’s around the world, compared to only 170 in 1977 when Elvis died. At this rate of growth, experts predict that by 2019 Elvis impersonators will make up a third of the world population."
- The Naked Scientists, 3rd December 2000.

And by 2043, we'll ALL be Elvis.

http://www.murderousmaths.co.uk/elvis.htm

Parkes is going to get awfully crowded every January.

'Jesus Chrysler' these bastards make me really mad with all this hyperbole they engender, trying hard to create an 'atmosphere' of suspicion and hatred. Civil War what's this boof-head talking about? If 'she' was a 'He' I'd be more than happy to assist in re-aligning the cartilage of his nose for him.

Is she's deliberately trying to stir-up trouble well, she's perilously close to committing a criminal offence. Ill-advised for sure; although said with the privilege of Parliament I realise. Or is she just trying hard to be relevant?

Another imbecilic 'Green'; one more friggin' parasite or scrounger, you'll usually find stuck hard to the sole of your shoe, to sit in our already cluttered and troubled Senate. Do away with the Senate and all the 'kowtower's & 'grovellers' in it. Save for a couple of really good people; And you'll have an elected government of either Party, do what they're elected to do - Govern.

The grubby ex-copper pops in to vent his spleen on Mehreen Faruqi, No doubt the bloke has neither listened to, or read a transcript of her speech.But he does know she is a Green, and that's enough said for the ex-flatfoot, and member of the forums extreme right.

Still thinks he's swing his night stick at the head of some unsuspecting sod. //Is she's deliberately trying to stir-up trouble// well if YOU had taken the time to hear or read what Mehreen actually had to say we would possible not be subjected to another one of your Mr Tough Guy violence inspired rants. //I'd be more than happy to assist in re-aligning the cartilage of his nose for him.// I understand as a person of violence, you are apt to offer in the first instance, that as the cure all for those you disagree with. Pathetic!

As for this //she's perilously close to committing a criminal offence// Fella, you are full of it. Laughable!

so so ironic that the Greens back the muslims. No doubt they are aware of how those practicing sodomy are treated in Islamic nations.

runner, what would they do with your high priests that like to bugger young children? Like you, would they sweep it under the carpet, and send them to more fertile grounds.

Has anybody actually listened to Senator Mehreen Faruqi's
maiden speech in the Senate - prior to posting here?

She did point out the legitimisation and normalisation of
racism in Australia. Which was fair enough considering
that as a Muslim professional she had experienced many, many,
personal attacks in the past and then having listened to
Fraser Anning's speech a week ago. However, she also stressed
the fact that "We can build a future for each and every one
of us."

Her speech was fair and inclusive - and those criticising
her obviously could not have listened to what she had to
say. Its people like Fraser Anning that are divisive and
cause trouble in our community. Not Senators like Mehreen
Faruqi. Also I imagine that she won her Senate seat
legitimately - unlike Fraser Anning and his nineteen votes.

you seem to be obsessed with 'high priests that like to bugger young children' You really should get your mind out of the gutter. Then again the Greens are into everything 'diverse'. Didn't one of recent recruits write a paper at uni on bestiality?. I suspect the 'high priest' you refer to are likely to vote Green.

//'Jesus Chrysler' these bastards make me really mad with all this hyperbole they engender, trying hard to create an 'atmosphere' of suspicion and hatred.//

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Josephus annoys everybody who isn't Josephus.

//Civil War what's this boof-head talking about?//

Don't get too upset about it mate, the bloke just has a few screws loose. I don't really think he's dangerous; nobody's going to take him seriously when he's clearly not in full possession of his marbles and I don't think that he himself will act on the crap he writes, he just likes to talk tough because he thinks it makes him macho.

//If 'she' was a 'He' I'd be more than happy to assist in re-aligning the cartilage of his nose for him.//

Josephus is a 'he', o sung wu. Or at least, it identifies as male.

//Ill-advised for sure; although said with the privilege of Parliament I realise. Or is she just trying hard to be relevant?//

No, Josephus's rantings are definitely not covered by parliamentary privilege.

Hang on a sec... you didn't think that Senator Faruqi's speech made any reference to civil war, did you? Because it definitely didn't.

http://scorchinghotnews.com/greens-senator-faruqi-first-muslim-australian-senator-first-speech/

The person making you mad and trying to stir up trouble with hyperbole about civil war is none other than our very own Josephus. Why don't you direct your invective and extend your offer for nasal re-alignment towards him, seeing as he's the one that did what you're so upset about?

Or are Tories allowed to get away with attempting to sow discord and foment unrest because they're not brown or green?

Paul,

" Well not me, there is always the odd one out!"

Was that because you sing a bit off key?

Foxy,

" However, she also stressed the fact that "We can build a future for each and every one
of us."

Does she believe in the Koran and the words of Muhammad?

If she does then, then ,as my Muslim mate says, the Australian Government is mad.

Hi Foxy,

As you know Mehreen Faruqi is a personal friend of my wife and I, and has been for many years. Away from politics Mehreen is an extremely affable person. But on the political front she can be as forceful as any other politician.

runner, me and your Popey mate both, he's been running around Ireland saying over and over again; "Praise the Lord, and forgive us for buggering up your kids at the same time."

Yes Toni, I think the ex-copper was somewhat confused! Banged his head on the cell door once too often while "interrogating" a prisoner. One of those poofter he likes to refer to.

Yes Paul and the inconvenient truth is that when much of this kiddy stuff was happening the Catholic church was very much aligned with the Labour party. I am glad I left the Catholic church a long time ago. Demonise by association by all means but you obvioulsy know the Greens/Labour are much closer to the paedophile priests than what I am. What was your latest mates name pushing bestiality? Oh you missed that one.

Foxy you ask for far too much, our right of reality crowd never listen, they just launch in to racist hate based on very little how to those words go again?*we are one, and we are many, we come from all the world's lands*

What has raising one's personal skin colour and ones personal religion got to do with the business of the Senate unless you want sympathy or support? I note well adjusted settled Indians on another site see her speech of rewriting Australian history as divisive.

No Runner, this cowardly little slug is obsessed with himself. And being a dedicated Green he resides comfortably among them in the sewers that saw their birth. Together with that other strange & rather odd man/women, a Dr Brown.

You see RUNNER;... PAUL1405 always gives us a reason for his remarks, except for 'one'; every excuse possible, why he dodged his National Service call-up, except 'one'; giving every (believable) reason, why he shouldn't have to go to Vietnam, except for 'one'; and that 'ONE' was his own quivering cowardice!

I ask you, how could any father, grandfather even an Uncle, explain truthfully to their progeny/relative, why they're such cowards, especially on an ANZAC Day? To have this individual purporting to be a Man, and a consciences objector as well, is a substantial stretch for anyone to believe. And as a potential Greens Party Member as well? It shows the level of desperation they have, in attracting members from any source possible. Including the remnants remaining in a public commode. Finally and lastly, the 'Humiliated Company of Cowards' a group that has hitherto, been dedicated to cowards from all conflicts, irrespective of their Country.

However, they're known as the absolute bottom of the human gene pool. Reviled by all; maligned by many and thoroughly denounced by women, who expect their men to behave as Men. Except those brave ladies who're keen anthropological students of; 'Deviant & Cowardly Behaviour, in Males during Times of Conflict'.

The 21 August 2018, The Guardian quotes Ms Mehreen FARUQI as being the latest 'Greens Senator', giving her maiden speech in Parliament. I just wonder, if it were not for the Moderators I could 'speak' with you in a far more enlightened manner, at least before your putrefying & decaying remnants slowly seep deeply into the dirt, rendering it as foul as 'night soil'. You see, I recall nightly the faces of those men, many of them Nasho's, who died in the jungles of South Vietnam, and even the mention of your name, is in an anathema to those great men. You cowardly maggot!

//I am glad I (runner) left the Catholic church a long time ago//
Sr Mary told us all about your kind! Burn in hell, she said, and she would know, she's probably down there right now frying for her sins.

Runner is one of histories ignorent revisionists. //when much of this kiddy stuff was happening the Catholic church was very much aligned with the Labour party.//

Not true, the political arm of the Catholic Church post WWII in Australia, was the Democratic Labour Party (D.L.P) Labour by name but certainly not Labor by action. The D.L.P very much was a supporter of the Coalition. Its leading spokesman was the ALP hating, anti commubist, union basher, knight of the Catholic Church B.A Santamaria.

Goodness me this is getting downright vicious and nasty.
Stop it guys.

This is only an opinion forum after all. It's not
brain surgery. And all I can say is - I have listened
to this Senator's speech - there was nothing offensive
in it. Not like Fraser Anning's the previous week.
So let it go. You don't like her - fine. There's many
other politicians on which we don't agree. So what.
Don't vote for their parties. But please stop with
these personal insults and attacks.

Not helpful.

Hey Belly, jog my memory mate, I'm sure you'll know.

What are the names of the leader of the Queensland Labor Party, & the deputy leader of the Queensland labour party, who both served tine for paedophilia.

I suggest our lefties stop chucking mud, or some of us just might chuck some of yours back. All you are doing is proving the truth of those who believe the left & especially the greens are nasty people.

Well, show me one country that has been overrun by Muslims & doesn't have civil war-like situations.
Australia just happens to be last on the list.

Hi Foxy, I would like to oblige.

However, there is a history of o sung wu and his name calling. Something in the past I have not responded to, naming me as a coward and a maggot etc is simply water off a ducks back. But when he chooses in true walloper fashion to verbal a friend of mine by feigning ignorance of comprehension, and then grossly distorting the truth, by attributing to my friend atrocious comments made by a poster of his own ilk. Then I consider that beyond the pale, and I respond accordingly.
I make no apology for that.

Personally, I am extremely proud of what Dr Mehreen Faruqi as a newer Australian has achieved for herself, her family, the Greens and the people of NSW through public service. I believe Mehreen will carry that achievement on in the Senate with dedicated service for all Australians.

Paul,

"Runner is one of histories ignorent revisionists. //when much of this kiddy stuff was happening the Catholic church was very much aligned with the Labour party.//

Not true, the political arm of the Catholic Church post WWII in Australia,... ".

Do you mean to say that kiddie fiddling, mainly by homosexual men did not go on in Catholicism prior to WWII?

The Catholic Church, with a mainly working class and Irish membership, was very much aligned with the Labor Party.

Never while I suck air FOXY, will I ever yield to this maggot's attack on Police or Veterans. He's the absolute lowest form of life I've yet to encounter on the Forum. After spending a long, very long 32 years in the police, I've met some evil people, none that I find so utterly detestable as this slug. Calls himself a man - a Coward & a Draft Dodger, who snipes away from dark corners. To me that's not a man, it's something one needs to scrape away from the sole of one's shoe. If it's the opinion of the users of this Forum that I go, then I'll go gladly, knowing I've defended the good men and women of the police force and of our proud military. Never ever, would I apologise or yield in anyway to something like this mongrel.

Dear o sung wu,

Both yourself an Paul are more than capable of looking after yourselves. If you both end up doing time in the sin bin than that will be down to both your actions and Graham's judgement which is how it should be.

However to be fair you did get your wires crossed about who the boofhead was when you asked; "Civil War what's this boof-head talking about?". It certainly wasn't the new senator.

As I said earlier I'm not a huge fan of the Greens for my own reasons but I did find Mehreen Faruqi's maiden speech above par and I hope she will bring some civility to the Senate.

I imagine you would have been a stickler for keeping your line of fire clear in the past.

Dear Paul and O Sung Wu,

My apologies to you both.

I meant well but I now realise that I shouldn't butt
into other people's disagreements.

I regard both of you very highly and I didn't want
things to escalate.

I wish you both well.

Foxy,

Mehreen Faruqi is a Muslim and that says it all, she cannot be a Muslim and a fair dinkum Australian as well.

Hey Foxy,
"She did point out the legitimisation and normalisation of racism in Australia".

That claims total rubbish.
Just because people say these things doesn't make them true.
This is the Australia I grew up in.
http://youtu.be/zZrei60DDhA
Was it more or less racist you tell me?

If anything normal white Aussies are sick of being unfairly labelled racist by leftist pro immigrant policies and dont give a crap anymore and are more willing to speak out how they feel in regards to increasing Islamic presence in Australia.

It's got nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with an incompatible culture and destruction of our values, and playing us for idiots.

But the tricky thing is the Muslims come because of Pro-Jewish policies.

Is Mise,
> she cannot be a Muslim and a fair dinkum Australian as well.
Why not?

Nice attempt to associate pedophile Catholics exclusively with the ALP.

It conveniently ignored the very real presence of Opus Dei in the leadership and control of NSW Liberal Party.
Upper House Liberal MP and powerbroker David Clarke proudly displays a colour portrait of the recently canonised founder of Opus Dei on the wall of his Parliamentary office.
They tightly control preselections as well as the Young Liberals.

Meanwhile John Howard was quietly accepting kickbacks of taxpayer money laundered through a phoney Exclusive Brethren company in exchange for his increased government funding of their cult schools.

Once again, religion brings out the best in people, particularly those self-professing tolerant Christians who want to manufacture the complete myth that somehow we will all be made to follow Sharia Law.

Aiden,
- Because fair dinkum Aussies like booze and women in bikinis.
Hello, anyone home?

'Is Mise,
> she cannot be a Muslim and a fair dinkum Australian as well.
Why not?

Because if she is a fair dinkum Muslim she follows the Koran and the teachings of Muhammad., and they are demonstrably incompatible with Western culture.

See France, Britain, Sweden etc in Europe, Egypt and Nigeria in Africa and India in particular for an example of Muslim refusal to assimilate and for dividing a country on religious lines.

Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 12:25:09 PM- "in a country that is founded on migration,we still see such unfounded fear and loathing expressed by the few"

Answer- Australia was founded as an item of British Law most of the immigrants were British and Irish. Australia "is not" founded on migration

CM stretching it a lot here old mate, saw in you a bright poster but gee, ww2 migration flow was far from the first gold rush days bought many from all over the world, step back and look again at the thread you are commenting in, it proposes one woman, a single person,is threatening a civil war? for taking a stand against racism, if *you are not from our first nation * you are from migrant stock

Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 2:26:51 PM- "I understand as a person of violence, you are apt to offer in the first instance, that as the cure all for those you disagree with. Pathetic!"

Answer- Alvin Toffler said that power is Money, Knowledge, Physical Force. "Antifa- Socialist Assasins (Political)" are quite happy to use violence when it suits themselves. In war violence can be the approapriate action. The Australian people have been generous up until now- at this point there appears to be a change of view- if it is true that major parties have colluded on immigration against the Australian people- this is treasonous and anti-democratic. There are times when "two principles conflict that one needs to be prioritised"- in this case democracy over minorities. I believe generally in democracy- what do you believe?? Often "the people" may not express themselves well but that doesn't mean that they are wrong. In a democracy in the end "it is the vote that counts".

Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 28 August 2018 5:19:03 PM- "*we are one, and we are many, we come from all the world's lands*"

Answer- I dislike this song (from The Seekers) as I suspect its motives as being against the Australian peoples interest

Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 12:16:49 AM- It's got nothing to do with racism, and everything to do with an incompatible culture and destruction of our values, and playing us for idiots.

Answer- I remember Kingswood Country too. With respect Armchair Critic the label "racist" is a problem for those concerned about immigration and the value of "our culture". Those that believe in "Local over Global" have to constantly defend themselves against this accusation of racism- what many do when vilified by others is to take the accusations as a badge of honour. Change is normalised- resistance to change is bigoted- momentum. Are those motivated by momentum really thinking?? "Racism is becoming a badge of honour". If valuing my culture, my family, my country- is racist - then let it be so. After all University of Sydney Chancellor (Q&A) as I understand said "everyone is racist". This was a very brave comment in the current climate.

There's some inconvenient thruths out there alright. If we had a decent education system instead of Leftist indoctrination factories we wouldn't have so many fact-blind Australians aiding the ruining of this nation. It is painfully obvious that Australia's biggest enemies are Australians.

runner says "the Catholic church was very much aligned with the Labour party"

Paul1405 responds "Not true, the political arm of the Catholic Church post WWII in Australia, was the Democratic Labour Party (D.L.P)"

Well we've seen previously that Paul's idea of historic understanding is to simply regurgitate ALP mythology. And we see it here again.

1. The period he mentions is 1945 through to (say) 1995....50 years
2. The DLP didn't exist for the first 10 of those years.
3. The DLP didn't exist for the last 20 of those years.
4. While the DLP had large numbers of Catholics, its raison d'etre was anti-communism not pro-Catholicism.
5. While its true that most members of the DLP were Catholic it most definitely isn't true that most Catholics were in the DLP. In states like NSW, Catholics and the Catholic hierarchy remained faithful to the ALP. Even in the DLP's homeland of Victoria, most Catholics remained with the ALP.
6. The DLP and its leadership weren't union bashers. They were pro-union but opposed to the communists using unions to further their totalitarian aims. They fought communists for control of unions but supported non-communist unions in their efforts to advance workers rights.

"Runner is one of histories ignorent revisionists. "

Yes, well there's a fair bit of that of that going around in the myths Paul chooses to believe.

Posted by Belly, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 6:56:47 AM- "if *you are not from our first nation * you are from migrant stock"

Answer-
1. Paraphrasing the Eureka Stockaders "we made it we own it"
2. I am from British stock not migrant stock.
3. Australia is historically a British colony.
4. We should try to protect Australia's native people within reason.

Hasbeen,

"What are the names of the leader of the Queensland Labor Party, & the deputy leader of the Queensland labour party, who both served tine for paedophilia."

I think you mean Keith Wright (leader of QLD ALP around mid 1990s) and Bill D'Arcy.

You might also remember Milton Orkopoulos from NSW and Bernard Finnigan (SA). I guess its mere coincidence that they were all members of the ALP.

I'm not closely familiar with the other cases, but I know that there were strong rumours around that Orkopoulos was merely the fall guy for a much larger ring. The Royal Commission's terms of reference were carefully constructed to ensure these other issues weren't examined.

//In states like NSW, Catholics and the Catholic hierarchy remained faithful to the ALP.//

Not all of them; there are Catholic, New South Welsh supporters of the old DLP to be found in my family tree, and I daresay a few others besides. There was definitely a DLP Senator for NSW:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kane

//2. I am from British stock not migrant stock.//

You do realise they're not mutually exclusive, right? Even if agree that the convicts weren't really immigrants because they were shipped over against their will, all the free settlers from Britain were British migrants.

migrant: (noun) a person who moves from one place to another in order to find work or better living conditions.

//3. Australia is historically a British colony.//

But that is no longer the case; we've been independent since 1986.

Historically Alaska belonged to Russia, Northern Ireland belonged to Ireland, and Britannia belonged to Rome. Things change.

The fact is Australia was settled with convicts and not invaded by a British army. People since then have come here and settled their family here, they never invaded this land. Mehreen Faruqi also came and settled here, now she feels the British has stolen this land, where does she then state she also purchased stolen land from earlier settlers, and not aboriginal owners.

The NSW parliament is there to represent State matters, not skin colour or a particular religion, as she sees happening in the Muslim appeasing Victorian Govt. She cannot see past her pitiful self, while we have NSW farmers shooting their stock and themselves. Another self serving politician that loathes White British settlement. When early Australia had settlers from many nations, including Afghan Muslims and Indians who have assimilated into the Australian way of life.

She has chosen to align herself with the revisionist view that of a British invasion of Australia; when because Australia was settled Marbo had a case for ownership of land. Otherwise Invasion means all previous ownership is extinguished for the invaders and their government. She has chosen to sit in the House of the Invaders and thieves of stolen land. That is what call hypocrisy.

All this yabber about 'migrant stock', 'country of immigrants' etc. is a load of baloney. People born here are Australian by natural right and by law. People not born here are not Australian by natural right, only by law and the convenience (for them) of naturalisation. The first generation of Australians born of immigrants still have strong ties to their immigrant parents – multiculturalism, again; languages other than English spoken in the home and so on - and it is only the second generation that can call itself 'true blue'; although, with the nonsense of identity politics these days and the advantages seen in being part of a minority, that is not at all sure anymore, either.

Dear Josephus,

Mate you are a knock kneed little person aren't you. Is it your obvious racism, your warped take on the Christian faith, or just your narrow mindedness that drives you?

You shite stir with some baseless crap about 'Civil war', and I can not for the life of me figure out what leaps of insanity allowed you to arrive at that from the senator's speech, now you are saying there was no invasion.

You are indeed from migrant stock and unfortunately you are just another one of those 'shallow Australian' type we are seeing stick their heads up where they aren't wanted, furiously trying to rewrite the self evident history of the occupation of this land because it is unpalatable for you.

Well whoppity bloody do mate. Histories all over the bloody world are unpalatable but if we want to mature as a nation facing up to our history is something mature societies do. Part of that history includes migration from all over the world. You mightn't like the increased rates that have been supercharged since Howard upped them to serve the big business donors of both parties, neither do I, but to be trying to drive race or religious conflicts within Australia of all bloody places labels you as a sniveling, shitstirring, scared little fool.

Put a bloody plug in it.

Joe,

The greens Having finally ditched the Stalinist Rhiannon, have found the perfect replacement in Mehreen Faruqi. As a black Muslim woman with a PhD in environmental engineering, she simply needs to acquire a limp and aboriginal status to achieve green royalty in the identity politics stakes.

Unsurprisingly, her maiden speech is about how offended she is about racism and Islamaphobia, and I am sure that she will continue banging this drum with showers of offendedness about many other things.

As with most of her colleagues, she is as useful to society as an outbreak of syphilis.

Lets take a little look at - "Who exactly are the British?"

If we read English history - from its early beginnings
England is a country that over the centuries has had
multiple invasions and settlements originating from
Scandinavia, Western Europe, Mediterranean (Roman settlement)
and during colonial times - migration from its various
colonies. Analysing this history there is but one conclusion
that the English are the most mixed group of people in
Europe. A truly mixed nation. Even the Royals are a mixture
of Germanic, Russian, Austrian, French, and Spanish,
et cetera, stock - and more recently - African American.

So why are some of our forum posters complaining about
migrants and "real Aussies," when they don't know who
their ancestors really are. Look at the great denier -
Bob Katter - and his Lebanese ancestry. Truly absurd.

The majority of migrants in this country come from nations
that have a minimal mix - of invading cultures - and they
at least have been able to maintain their culture's purity
unlike the British whose culture keeps constantly changing
so to deny history - is to deny the reality of British
evolvement as a people - and therefore deny the origins of
of the British colonists of this nation.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

Where do you get off calling JOSEPHUS a 'knocked kneed little person', and accuse him of racism, purely because he expressed an opinion, that's contrary to yours? You also accuse him of 'shite stirring' (a novel term) about 'some crap' - Steele ol' friend you really do need to tidy-up your vocabulary? I'm more than prepared to offer you some counselling in this regard. Only if you wish it? Heaven forbid, I don't wish to impose myself on you or your intellectual development? Still, as I said, the offer's there.

Just a query is all, but what made you become such a Socialist in your views and politics? In a country like Australia, that by and large wholly repudiates the old theory that; the production & exchange of materials should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole - the old communist manifesto. You seemed to have extended upon that, by pummelling those who's opinions and ideas, are very much to the contrary of yours.

As well, this lady Ms Mehreen FARUQI is somewhat hypocritical I believe settling as she has, in a Country which she claims was stolen? Is she aiding & abetting the common law crime of stealing? And would you, yourself, endorse her claims Steele?

Of course we are. It is simply a matter of when not if.

We have all the basics of a Beirut type war established, so it will happen. The big difference that may at least make it short, is some of us come real fighting stock, & are likely to get serious about finishing it quickly.

we could have a like button, if we did steelredux you would have quite a few by now, that post should have highlighted the truth, no we are not going to have civil war,, here however an uncivil one is always a chance

Foxy, are the Turks or Japanese recognisably distinct ethnic groups?
Because their ancestors are a mixture of peoples, who migrated from other lands, displacing existing populations.

We had British origins, not global origins.
There was a tiny smidgin of other Europeans and an even more minuscule smidgen of non-Europeans (who were largely unwelcome: see Lambing Flats).

By the 1940s 90% of the population were native-born White Australians, had no ethnic/national identity *but* Australian, spoke no language *but* English, practiced no religion *but* Christianity.

That real unity is now ignored in place of a chaotic fantasy.
Societies that deny reality in preference to fantasy are doomed.

Hi Foxy,
No need to apologise, you only apologise when you have done something wrong, or have offended. For me you have done neither, so no apology is necessary.

//Mehreen Faruqi is a Muslim and that says it all, she cannot be a Muslim and a fair dinkum Australian as well.//
Issy, at least she's not a gun toting idiot like that pair of numskulls she leaves behind in the NSW Legislative Council. Your two mates from the Shooters and Hooters Party, Tweedle-umb, and Tweedle-Even Dummer!

//Because fair dinkum Aussies like booze and women in bikinis.//
AC, Given that all fair dinkum Aussies, they must be all male heterosexuals, and doomed to extinction.

mhaze; I recall in my childhood, at Sunday Mass, yes I did go to Church then. During the time of the 'State Aid to Catholic Schools debate' the Parish Priest thundering something from the pulpit along the lines "A vote for Labor next Saturday is a Mortal sin" words to that effect were read out in every Catholic Church in Australia.

//In states like NSW, Catholics and the Catholic hierarchy remained faithful to the ALP.// I dispute that, the CC vehemently opposed Labor on both the state aid issue and the Vietnam War.
On point 6 I'll agree, they were anti-communist, but there is no evidence they supported unions.
B. A. Santamaria (14 August 1915 – 25 February 1998), was an Australian Roman Catholic anti-Communist political activist and journalist. He was a guiding influence in the founding of the Democratic Labor Party (DLP). 'Wikipedia'

The DLP still exists today.

Shadow Minister, after keeping a very low profile around here for the last week or so, I wonder why, suddenly sticks his head in to post his usual clap trap.
//needs to acquire a limp and aboriginal status // Nah, that bone has been thrown to the dog of the political right Tony Abbott as a booby prize for failing to get your boy Dud up last week. And you said it was all a storm in a tea cup.

Dear Shocker,

All ancient nations have a mixture of other national
groups through border crossings, trade, war, inter-marriages,
travel, and so on - but not to the extent of Britain
that has had multiple invasions through the centuries.

Now look at the English language. It has been glued together
out of a multiplicity of influences. The following link
below explains:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_English

You can deny the hisory all you want - but ancestry is
historically recorded. There's even documentaries on TV
dealing with ancestry. Which clearly demonstrates the ancestry
of British/Australians - and where they originated and how they
got here.

Posted by Toni Lavis, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 8:56:20 AM-

Comment 1- You do realise they're not mutually exclusive, right? Even if agree that the convicts weren't really immigrants because they were shipped over against their will, all the free settlers from Britain were British migrants. migrant: (noun) a person who moves from one place to another in order to find work or better living conditions.

Answer 1. British and migrants are not mutually exclusive argument- The vast majority of Australians being originally from British stock, governed under British law, etc, etc are British not migrants. To call them migrants is to underestimate the significance of the contribution of the vast majority of British immigrants.
Its like saying that 3 is a number between one and ten in a hundred data points therefore the sample average is five. ie. five equals three. The Australian migrant population could almost be called an outlier in statistical terms. If a Japanese ship takes on two or three Ethiopians does it become a migrant ship? Conflating possibility with probability.

Comment 2- //3. Australia is historically a British colony.// But that is no longer the case; we've been independent since 1986. Historically Alaska belonged to Russia, Northern Ireland belonged to Ireland, and Britannia belonged to Rome. Things change.

Answer 2-
In the case of Russia - US Bought It. No one was living there. It happened more than 100 years ago.
Northern Ireland - A war lasting the better part of a century or more was fought over this.
Britannia - Happened 1500 years ago. The Romans left.
Generally it's seen as preferable to "solve issues"/ "politic" through rule of law and with the support of the people

Canem,
>To call them migrants is to underestimate the significance of the contribution of the vast majority of British immigrants.
ALL immigrants are migrants. The clue's in the name!
Migrants are either immigrants (incoming migrants) or emigrants (outgoing migrants). Some are both.

The word implies absolutely nothing abut the contribution they make. But one of the more significant contributions was the english language, which you seem to have trouble comprehending!

Hi HASBEEN...

If a Beirut style war were to occur here in Australia, do you think Muslim ADF personnel would be prepared to take-up arms against a fellow Muslim? Would they not be in direct conflict with certain tenets in the Koran? I really have no idea myself. I understand certain sects within Islam war among themselves, so it's probable if the right circumstances were to prevail, would they defend our country/their country, or turn on you essentially on religious grounds?

Somehow I don't believe an Islamic ADF member, would turn against his own platoon, particularly if he's actually deployed O/S with them. However many of my ex service mates of my era, have declared absolutely, they'd never wish to venture outside the wire with any of them, for any reason? Personally I'm not so sure, sometimes they'd be as loyal to you, more so than many others in the platoon? I really don't know? What do you think yourself, come a civil war?

The tin god himself proceeds to lecture another on the virtues of forum decorum. I can't stop laughing. Smiley Face with Cheesey Grin.

PAUL1405...Why don't you, give yourself a good uppercut, and then pull your cowardly little head in. Whoops, I'm so sorry I forgot, you're opposed to violence, of course you are especially if it might injure you? A real 'girls blouse' eh. "They call him mellow yellow" fitting lyrics don't you think!

Abba dabba dabba dabba

Said the monkey to the ...

Foxy,

" but not to the extent of Britain that has had multiple invasions through the centuries."

That's just a-historic rubbish. Sure Britain suffered multiple invasions over its history but to say that its exceptional in that regard is just plain wrong. Think of France/Gaul and the myriad invasions in its history. Or Spain. Or the Balkans. Or Hungary, Poland, Russia, China, Vietnam etc etc etc.

Its also not quite right to assert that invasion means an overthrow of the culture. There's very good and interesting history coming out of Britain that shows that these waves of invasion didn't change the culture of the ordinary Britons and that the invaders were eventually absorbed into the underlying culture. That is, current British culture is more like the old Celtic culture that Caesar found in 55BC than was previously imagined.

Foxy,

Foxy,
That is the attitude we're fighting the Left to rid ourselves of. The Left is the enemy of common sense & decency & all that goes with that. The war to fight the academic Left is only just starting to show fractions of signs of victory.

Paul1405,

1. I can't say for sure whether your recollections from your childhood are accurate or recovered memories, but I can say for certain that the claim that the Church endorsed and propogated the view that "A vote for Labor next Saturday is a Mortal sin" is wrong. This is mere ALP mythology. It never happened. There is no evidence that it was ever said by any church leader except Bishop Fox who did say he would feel to have sinned if he voted ALP. But he made no calls on other Catholics. I invite you to find evidence for your false claim.

2. The DLP was never strong in NSW. It only elected one Senator in its history and that was from 1970-74 and he was only elected after preference deals. Again ALP mythology that you buy holus-bolus.

3 "The DLP still exists today. " The DLP was disbanded in 1978. All unions associated with it at that time re-affiliated with the ALP. After disbanding the DLP was reconstituted in Victoria under different leaders and different rules.

Foxy, saying I'm the one denying history is laughable.

You avoid the issue of whether Turks or Japanese are a distinct people, regardless of mixed invasive origins.
If they (and Australians) are distinct peoples, they should have the right of all peoples to self-perpetuation.
They (and we) can only do that with control over their homelands.

British invasions were of little genetic difference to the existing population.
There were no African or Asian invasions, only other Europeans, all of whom descend from the same ancient origins (Indo-Europeans).
Mixing European with European still gets European.

The English language has changed organically.
Look at Shakespeare or the King James bible.
We don't speak that way now, do we? But it's still a continuous lineage.

The cultural/genetic influx imposed on Western peoples today is not an organic evolution.

It is arbitrary and artificial, and cannot be compared with previous European historical changes.

It is also overwhelming in scope (6000+ cultures) and speed (millions in decades), unlike previous migration.
Yet you wish to pretend this is no different to past transitions. Absurd!

Shadow,

Mehreen Farugi isn't black, she's an Indo-European just like most of us and probably your good self also, and going by her photo at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehreen_Faruqi
She's lighter than many dinky-di Aussies..

Just how many ordinary 'white' Australians have Negroid ancestors is anyone's guess as the descendants of the 'black' convicts were absorbed into the general population, but there are a lot of them.
Queen Elizabeth I was going on about the number of 'blackamoors' in the London of her time, doubtless some of their descendants made it to the Colony also.

Few people know their ancestry beyond a hundred years or so, I can trace mine back for well over a thousand years and the mixture is unbelievably weird!

Dear Shocker,

Talking about lineages - the Romans brought in groups
from all over the Mediterranean, Africans,
Italians, (Romans) Greeks, Palestinians, Jews, Egyptians, and the
list goes on.

The British brought in people from all their colonies -
Africa, Asia, North America, The Pacific, and the list
goes on.

And yet - accordidng to you they're ALL Europeans.
Can't argue with that. After all if a black African is born in
Europe - he's European. Just as those born in
Australia - not matter what their race, background,
or religion - they're all Australians.
So you're perfectly correct.

cont'd ...

Here's two links on genetic studies of the Turks and the
Japanese people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_and_anthropometric_studies_on_Japanese_people

It also may help you to get hold of the "R" volume of an
encyclopedia - and look up human races. You just may learn that
all human beings have a common ancestry. In this sense all
people are related to one another.

Hey Foxy,
I think of Chinese and Mexicans.
Does your standard hold merit with them?
If a Chinese couple have a kid in Mexico is their kid a Mexican?

What happens if all the other Mexicans fail to accept the kid as Mexican?
Is he still a Mexican if the actual Mexicans don't accept them as being so?

What if the Mexican couple have a baby whilst in China? Is that kid Chinese?
What if the Chinese don't consider the kid to be Chinese?

Your saying culture doesn't matter but what if no-one goes along with it?

So does the kid just decide to be Mexican or Chinese on his own regardless of what the people in the country actually think?

The passport might denote citizenship but does it denote culture?

Or doesn't culture matter?
Or it does if your Muslim or Aboriginal and accusing all white people of being racist?
If we don't support the melting pot?

Armchair Critic,

You can support whatever you want.

And the rest of us will do likewise.

We'll see how history will judge us.

When you think of an African:
Do you think of a white person?
When you think of a Chinese:
Do you think of a black person?
If not are you racist for assuming an African is black or a Chinese is white?
When you think of a Jamaican, do you think of a European?

It's a can of worms...

Actually My focus in not about a persons heritage, culture or skin colour, but Mehreen Faruqi has made it her focus in the Westminster system of Government. Australia consists of people of every nation and colour and we assimilate to form one culture. We are not talking about Hindu or Buddhists, they pose no threat to our culture or system of Government. The one political culture that poses a threat is Sunni Muslims who want to eradicate white skin Christians from Australia. They have said we will breed little brown babies from your women. To them skin colour is a problem

//Actually My focus in not about a persons heritage, culture or skin colour//

Then why do you keep banging on about them?

//We are not talking about Hindu or Buddhists, they pose no threat to our culture or system of Government. The one political culture that poses a threat is Sunni Muslims//

See what I mean?

On the matter of who is what race, ethnoscientists agree that the are 4 races: white/Caucasian, Mongoloid/Asian, Negroid/Black, and Australoid. The last, Australoid, describes Australian aborigines only. Most people pontificating about race don't know what they are talking about.

Hi Foxy,

I watched a program on Foxtel on how ordinary Germans became willing participants with the Nazi's in the extermination of the Jews. They were not racists, most didn't even particularly hate Jews. They were Germans who worked in industry and business, in banks, in the railways, in lots of occupations, they were neighbours and friends of Jews. But they all, millions of Germans, provided the services and cooperation the state required to do what was done, the ordinary people become willing participants in the annihilation of millions of Jews. Sure they didn't stuff them into the gas chambers themselves, but they willingly participated with the state as it sanctioned murder on a massive scale.

That kind of thing happening in Australia, is far more likely than any civil war, or mass uprising of a minority.

Hey FOXY...If you think for one minute, that history will look upon you, your ideas, and ideals kindly - you really will need to hum the refrain, from:- "abba, dabba, dabba, dabba, said the Monkey to the Chimp". To stop us all from laughing FOXY; there's nothing that you could say to me now that I could ever believe after this?

It's as though the Parliamentary Left are like a bulldozer seeking out a china shop. 'Wreckers' all of them.

Dear Paul,

You're correct in being concerned. We all should be.
That is, all of us who oppose racism and prejudice.
Because what used to be formely fringe and discredited
ideas from the edges of far-right discourse is now
beginning to find its way into the conservative
mainstream. That should concern us all.

Foxy, why are you offering links on Turkish and Japanese genetics?
*I* was the one pointing out their mixed migratory ancestry to YOU!

You are not "educating" me.

Ooh, we all have a common ancestor.
So do all mammals. Are we going to let all mammalian lifeforms into Australia, regardless of the environmental impact?

Or not just mammals, how about all animals? Reptiles, birds, fish, etc. Your argument is shallow and pathetic.

Being a "species" is irrelevant, because we don't live as a species.
We are a distinct people and have a right to exist.
Your publicly declared enmity will not be forgotten or pardoned.

The Greens are far and away the most anti Semitic group in Australia, That's why they don't mind being in bed with Islam. And as for that bigot Corbyn un the UK!

To Shockadelic- "Being a "species" is irrelevant, because we don't live as a species. We are a distinct people and have a right to exist."

Answer- This makes sense. We are all a product of our environments.

the mixture is unbelievably weird!
is Mise,
And that's only the official version, imagine what really went on in some of those barns & bedrooms.

Hi Foxy,

Its through social conditioning that the extreme becomes the norm. Using truths, half truths and down right lies, generally called propaganda, the radical converts the moderate, who already has a propensity to their way of thinking, to come to accept over time, that, that what was extreme is now the norm.
In the mind set of the ordinary German the eradication of the Jews when it happened was not extreme but normal. If you look at the history of Nazism and the "final solution", it was a slow but deliberate progression by the Nazi's to win over firstly, the German elite, and then ordinary Germans to their way of thinking. They were successful.

Could such a thing happen in Australia, most certainly given the right conditions, and of course the willing participants. All we have at the moment is some conservative politicians and their supporters who want to play with fire in this regard for political advantage. But they are a long way, away from the "final solution" for some unsuspecting minority group in society.

Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 29 August 2018 6:33:31 PM- "ordinary Germans became willing participants with the Nazi's in the extermination of the Jews. They were not racists, most didn't even particularly hate Jews. They were Germans who worked in industry and business, in banks, in the railways, in lots of occupations, they were neighbours and friends of Jews. But they all, millions of Germans, provided the services and cooperation the state required to do what was done, the ordinary people become willing participants in the annihilation of millions of Jews. That kind of thing happening in Australia, is far more likely than any civil war, or mass uprising of a minority."

Answer- Paul1405 seems to have a pretty low opinion of the Australian people. He seems to be saying that those that believe that immigration is too high are "Jew killers". In reality war is hell- everyone kills everyone- war prisoners are killed. The Chinese warring states period was particularly violent and genocidal. The attempt of some is to manage the level of insanity- paraphrasing Socrates "the ones that don't want power need to seek it otherwise those that shouldn't have it will get it- (Philosopher Ruler)". Genocide is a phenomena that requires specific circumstances to occur- to equate conservatives with those that implemented Jewish concentration camps is inaccurate. I'm surprised at Foxy that she being an apparently educated person appears to buy into a "Reductio ad Hitlerum" argument. Perhaps this is just a function of the madness of current affairs.

CM, //Paul1405 seems to have a pretty low opinion of the Australian people. He seems to be saying that those that believe that immigration is too high are "Jew killers"//

Where am I saying that. In fact as a minority in Australia Jews are a less targeted group than many other minorities. The favoured target group at the moment are Muslims. When I say "that kind of thing" I am not referring to Jews as such, but to some minority that could become the scapegoat for the extreme.

The question was asked; Are we facing civil war? My view is that the state is more likely to conduct genocide against a minority, than there being a civil war, or a minority uprising. All those possibilities are unlikely in the foreseeable future.

Dear o sung wu,

You asked;

“Where do you get off calling JOSEPHUS a 'knocked kneed little person'...?”

I know, pretty timid wasn't it. You were wanting to knock his block off and all I could come up with 'knocked kneed little person'. It doesn't quite cut it does it. I have been observing your erudite delivery and I promise I will do my best to mirror your fine prose in the future. However under your erstwhile tutelage I do feel I am making progress.

To more serious matters you asked;

“Just a query is all, but what made you become such a Socialist in your views and politics?”

I didn't, I was brought up in a different time I suppose, when this country prided itself on things like egalitarianism and a fair go for everyone. I have owned and operated small businesses most of my working life and actually love capitalism. But I know it needs civilising at both ends. Ultra rich and ultra poor taint and degrade the system. I have always believe in paying a fair wage and for instance when I have asked people to work weekends they were paid appropriately.

I am proud of a country that created Medicare and adopted the 40 hour working week. I have come up against some unpleasant union officials in the past but believe in strong worker representation. If things like this make me a socialist in other people's eyes I generally tell them to take a flying leap and to go learn some history.

Finally of course this country was stolen, anybody who believes otherwise also doesn't know its history. It is difficult to turn back time however many other nations have treaties with their original inhabitants. When the idea was floated that New Zealand become part of Australia one of the major sticking points was the because it would have negated the Treaty of Waitangi and the fact that a similar treaty was not entertained in this country. The Kiwis passed on the offer.

Paul1405 "Its through social conditioning that the extreme becomes the norm. Using truths [we are a species], half truths [most peoples share similar values] and down right lies [all people are equal, there won't be significant demographic change], generally called propaganda, the radical converts the moderate, who already has a propensity to their way of thinking, to come to accept over time, that, that what was extreme [unprecedented massive multicultural/multiracial unrelenting influx, irrespective of impact] is now the norm [we are a multicultural society that must tolerate everything].

If you had shown Australians in 1960 film footage of Sydney today, they would think it was another country, but unsure which country, as it would resemble NONE.

Today's cultural "norm" is absurdly extreme, by any historical standard.
Yet "we" [not including myself] have "accepted this over time" through social conditioning/propaganda.
The problem is no amount of wishful thinking will maintain this illusion for much longer.

Hey Foxy,
"You can support whatever you want.
And the rest of us will do likewise.
We'll see how history will judge us."

I'm not trying to be deliberately difficult you know;
At least no more than I a genuinely see the flaws in your logic when it's applied across the board.
- To different countries and cultures'.

As for history we can rest assured that what's happening in UK and Europe as a result of Islamic immigrants will certainly happen here eventually if we stay on our present course, and it's happening already.

We know this because we've seen what's happened elsewhere, and we are following the exact same UN social model.

So, as much as I'd prefer that history judged me a paranoid delusional fool who was worrying about nothing, (because in the bigger picture it's actually the far better outcome)
I think it's more likely that history will judge me right, and it will judge you as an ignorant fool who helped sell us down the river of no return completely, and all the hell it will bring to so many.

I truly wish you a long life Foxy.
I want you to be here to see what you chose when it happens.

My point was that for a senator in her maiden speech to raise her personal persecution for colour and religion and berate the British settlement as her major concern and not her expertise in her field to add to the Government administration of Australia is of concern.

If persecution is her concern, then the abuse and misrepresentation I have received by left wing Marxist activists on this site I would have raised previously. But as a Christian that is expected as part of the course, for Sunni Muslims such deserves a fatwa.

Ask Mehreen Faruqi and the Greens what she thinks of Jews, The Jews in The UK are very concerned and fear for their lives as they are persecuted by the rise of Muslims in power in the UK under Jeremy Corbyn's Labor Party. The Jewish Schools and synagogues in Australia have already employed security because of the rise of Islamic action motivated by hatred of Jews. Islam has an active hatred of Jews, Christians and minorities in their lands, and we are pandering to them in an expectation that they will accept our accommodating culture. Never! Wherever they live they have conquered that land for Allah and must impose Allah's laws over that land. That is why they will not accept Western laws.

Dear Paul,

We're living in very dangerous times - we're seeing
threats to our democratic way of life - there's an
increasingly rapid slide of the Australian right
towards tribalism. As I've stated previously - what
used to be formely fringe and discredited ideas fro
the edges of far-right discourse is finding its way
into the conservative mainstream.

And as we know - once again the agenda is being driven
by the vocal commentators on the party's right - many
of whom have been flirting with tropes of White Supremacy
for years.

The fact that an acknowledged neo-Nazi could make his way
into prime-time Sky News is no accident. Nor is it a
coincidence that Andrew Bolt has repeatedly played host
to such alt-right luminaries as Lauren Southern and
Milo Yiannopoulos.

The fact is as pointed out earlier - that a broad more
tolerant Australian politics can't paper over the
fact that racism remains a potent force in our democracy.
Despite genuine progress and reform in the 1970s and 80s
under Whitlam, Fraser and Hawke, a residual stream of
White Nativist politics has always lingered, never quite
extinguished.

Looking at Australian politics this past few weeks, the
question needs to be asked - how far have we come?
Not very - is Fraser Anning's first speech is anything to
go by. We need to shed our complacency. Those of us who
oppose racism and prejudice will have to make our votes
count at the next election. Direct action will prove
more effective than just expressing our opinions on public
forums.

While posters are either patting each other on the back, or arguing pointlessly with people who have never changed their minds in the history of OLO, it's worth remembering that Australians are among the most apathetic in the world; and their apathy is reflected in the standard of our political class. Australians have no stomach for war, civil or otherwise: they prefer to lay back and be walked over. And thanks to multiculturalism, mass immigration of unsuitable people and he loony left Fifth Column, they will soon be trodden into the sludge. This time next year they will be even deeper down under Green/Labor, and online idiots will still saying the same things in the false belief that their thoughts are important to anyone but themselves. It is quite clear to all but the thickest that a few people (including me) nattering away anonymously on the internet are not going to make any difference whatsoever to Australia's parlous state. One lousy vote for lousy politicians chosen by elites is the only say we get. Pathetic really.

//berate the British settlement as her major concern and not her expertise in her field to add to the Government administration of Australia//

She's not actually in Government, and as a Green she isn't likely to be after the next election.

And it really sounds to me like you haven't read past the first two paragraphs of her speech, because apparently you missed this bit:

"In 2013 I took that work to the upper house of the New South Wales parliament, which is sometimes said to be the most powerful legislative chamber in the country. That is a gentle warning! I bring to this chamber my track record on shaking things up and shifting the agenda on issues as diverse as decriminalising abortion, drug law reform, LGBTQI rights, the right to die with dignity and protecting our environment. We held the conservative government and the weak-willed opposition in New South Wales to account. I intend to do the same here."

Here's the transcript again, maybe this time try reading the whole thing:

http://scorchinghotnews.com/greens-senator-faruqi-first-muslim-australian-senator-first-speech/

//If persecution is her concern, then the abuse and misrepresentation I have received by left wing Marxist activists on this site I would have raised previously.//

Astounding... he whines about misrepresentation, and then in the exact same sentence turns around and accuses everybody who disagrees with him of being Marxists.

Some snowflakes are more special than others.

//for Sunni Muslims such deserves a fatwa.//

So how many fatwas are you up to now, Josephus? If Muslims like declaring fatwas so much and you're such a vocal critic of Islam, it must be in at least triple digits by now, right?

//Ask Mehreen Faruqi and the Greens what she thinks of Jews//

Sadly I only know one to ask. Oi, Paul, whaddya think of Jews?

//The Jewish Schools and synagogues in Australia have already employed security because of the rise of Islamic action motivated by hatred of Jews.//

And because of the rise of neo-Nazi action motivated by hatred of anyone who isn't white.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/27/antisemitic-incidents-in-australia-up-nearly-10-over-year-study-says

"As a Green" she might not be in parliament for very long, given their shrinking vote and 'natural justice', and her bad-mouthing of the society silly to take her in. She wasn't voted in, after all, but was shoved in the hole left by the commo woman.

the normalisation of stopping free speach and bashing those who you disagree with has been taking place here in Australia via antifa/greens.

One is not allowed to criticise Islam or suggest we choose immigration wisely without these leftist thugs at least labelling people nazis. The police has been cowered (largely through feminmised workforce) in allowing these leftist thugs to carry out violence and intimidation to prevent free speach. This will not end well as more and more Aussies are waking up to thjis nonsense. People only have to look at London, Paris or Germany to see what disharmony has been brought by allowing the marxist/feminist to have their way.

On the other hands its fine for your auntie at tax payer expense to ,mock Christianity.

Paul..." I invite you to find evidence for your false claim." Silence came the stern reply. Some assertions are too stupid to even bother to try to defend, I guess.

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Question asked earlier to Josephus .."What in Hammurabi's Code indicates conflict between races or over skin colour".

Again silence. Just an assertion to provide an air of scholarship, I guess.

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Historic education to Foxy..." Sure Britain suffered multiple invasions over its history but to say that its exceptional in that regard is just plain wrong". Just an a-historic assertion that she hoped would slide through unchallenged, I guess.

mhaze,

The point that I was making was that the English
were not exceptional
in this regard. No different from present day Australia.
We refer to the English as Anglo-Saxons - who were members
of Germanic tribes that settled in England 400 - 500 AD.
These tribes were the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. Who were
invited into England by the English King Vortigern to
fight the Scottish invasions from the North.

So what's the problem?

Speaking of Antifa fascist thugs (runner), the Canadians who were recently here are refusing to pay the Vic governments $68,000 bill for supposedly protecting peope from the violent animals of the extreme Left. I understand that they never got their money from Milo the Greek when he was in Melbourne, either. And neither should they.

I think the one positive ttbn re these facist left wing thugs is that support for Trump grows the more they throw their tantrums and spit their hatred on law abiding citizens. Personally I have spoken to people I know that have been left leaning who are horrified at such animalistic behaviour. Now that much of the sexual abuse in Hollywood has been uncovered as being done by members of the lefist swamp and even females the metoo bandwagon has lost its steam.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

Quite the contrary Steele. They're terrible labels in which to characterise an individual, you can never underestimate the level of emotional distress such epithets can have? We're living in a time when many people are emotionally fragile and infirm, so I guess we all should be mindful of the language we employ, in case it could negatively impact on others.

Just today I heard from a friend in Canada, advising us of a young women we know there, in her early thirties and she was quite an attractive young lady, she was apparently found hanged in her home. Again another example of emotional frailty.

While in the job I spent nearly three years as an 'Assistant Coroners Officer' requiring my presence at all (questionably) autopsies. Essentially, I was the Coroner's & Commissioner's representative, at the Centre of Forensic Science.

Therefore I could never understand why folk would ever 'neck 'emselves as it was not the most pleasant way to despatch oneself? Especially good looking young women. Anyway, I'll not go any further with this, by attempting to describe the sight of such a tragedy, it clearly borders on human abomination.

You infer our country (Australia) was 'stolen' by the white settlers, and later unlawfully occupied by their progeny and other white settlers, ever since. If a case was to be made out before a Court of Law; alleging these settlers stole the land. And the Judgement was: It should be returned to them.

Therefore shouldn't the traditional owners return everything they've been given thus far? Dare say, if we were to extrapolate this proposition, virtually ever country in the world was 'stolen' by somebody from somebody or other, when you think about it. Only the strong survive. Therefore only the strong, manage to hold on to their countries as well?

What makes a man a hero
I've often thought this through
It's not someone who's macho
It's someone who is true.

goddamn there are some d*#kheads on this site.
Not a good look Graham.

mikk,

There was one less d--ckhead while we weren't hearing from you. I had forgotten just what a d--ckhead you are.

Foxy,

"All ancient nations have a mixture of other national
groups through border crossings, trade, war, inter-marriages,
travel, and so on - but not to the extent of Britain
that has had multiple invasions through the centuries."

repeat "not to the extent of Britain".

"Analysing this history there is but one conclusion
that the English are the most mixed group of people in
Europe. "

but...

"The point that I was making was that the English
were not exceptional in this regard. "

Struth..

My 8 posts in 24 hours had expired.

mhaze, you simply demanding evidence to events of over 50 years ago is superfluous. To prove such a thing to your satisfaction would require the Catholic Church providing the correspondence of Bishops to Parish Priests, if such correspondence still exists, both are highly unlikely.

The following link may assists, but its not evidence, Menzies supported state aid, Labor opposed. The Catholic Church was pivotal to, and most vocal on the issue. A week out from the 1964 election do you accept that it could be possible parish priests, with voters seated before them did deliver such edicts from the pulpit, or did they simply ignore the issue, and remonstrated about some other totally unrelated matter.

http://www.websterworld.com/websterworld/aust/1/1964reintroductionofstols542.html

If I have posted falsehoods could you please provide evidence that those falsehoods of mine are //mere ALP mythology// not anyone else's mythology, but true to your word, ALP mythology.

// "The DLP still exists today." The DLP was disbanded in 1978// Both true but your "The DLP was disbanded in 1978" has nothing to do with my statement "The DLP still exists today." disbanded in 1978 but reformed a short time later in Victoria. Some members of the Victorian branch's executive rejected the 1978 vote to disband, and continued the party in that state.

A quote from the DLP's official web site,

"The DLP was re-established in NSW in 2007 and has contested every federal election since."

mhaze,
Please provided evidence that the DLP no longer exists.

It's someone who is true.
Foxy,
So, no heroes in the Left then ? How come you're so defencive of them then ?

Toni, This is exactly the agenda of Islam in Western nations, "That is a gentle warning! I bring to this chamber my track record on shaking things up and shifting the agenda on issues as diverse as decriminalising abortion, drug law reform, LGBTQI rights, the right to die with dignity and protecting our environment."

Since Australia over the past 40 years has aborted 3,000,000 of potential citizens, death from drugs [2,000 pa], die with dignity [suicide 2,000 pa], and identifying sexual perverts is exactly what Islam in Australia wants.

Islam wants to out populate other Australians so the more who die their goal becomes easier. It is part of the Gentle Death Cult agenda! They then do not have to kill their opposing population, until they outgrow the numbers of the Democracy and Control Government.

So the new Greens Senator Mehreen FARUQI has given us all a gentle warning to observe her track record at 'Shaking things Up'. Among those issues she intends 'shaking up' is abortion; Drug Law Reform; L.G.B.T.Q.I. rights (whatever they are?) - what about the rights of A.B.C.D & E?

Who do these people think they are, being bounced into some nauseating 'Greens' spot in the Senate! Anyway, doesn't a practicing Muslim, frown about homosexuality, and lesbianism and the many other variant sexual proclivities? I believe in live, and let live - but I won't cop having all this stuff rammed down our necks by some 'Johnny Come Lately'?

Being an elderly retiring sort of fellow, I just want to have the last year or two of my life, living in some degree of tranquility. Not to be lectured by some sickening Green!

//Being an elderly retiring sort of fellow, I just want to have the last year or two of my life, living in some degree of tranquility. Not to be lectured by some sickening Green!//

Well, you can pull out your hearing aid, get yourself a worm cup of coco, go sit by the fire, and gently drift off into La La Land. Problem solved!

o sung wu,
Yep, that's about the gist of it. Truth always hurts the indoctrinated insipids.

//Toni, This is exactly the agenda of Islam in Western nations, "That is a gentle warning! I bring to this chamber my track record on shaking things up and shifting the agenda on issues as diverse as decriminalising abortion, drug law reform, LGBTQI rights, the right to die with dignity and protecting our environment."//

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSvJaYxRoB4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNsrK6P9QvI

I don't even know where to start...

The mind boggles.

I can't wait for the vying for top position beween Yasmin & the new one. Mehreen Faruqi is trying hard to upstage the incumbend but we could save them a lot of time by just pronouncing them a draw. One's got as little integrity as the other.

//Anyway, doesn't a practicing Muslim, frown about homosexuality, and lesbianism and the many other variant sexual proclivities?//

Hang on a sec, one minute you're whining about hardline Muslims, and the next you're whining if they're not hardline enough for your tastes.

Make up your bloody mind.

Paul1405...

Is that really you, bobbing around aimlessly in the toilet bowl? Not a brown piece of faecal matter, no perhaps green - nope, I don't believe so? It's more like YELLOW! Well how's that, a 'yellow' piece of faecal matter, with the most nauseating stench of rancid cowardice pervading throughout the space.

You know Pauline1403 you really should avoid laying about on the pathways, and adhering yourself to the soles of people's shoes. Otherwise they might be moved to present you with a 'white feather' the ultimate symbol of humiliation & insult

o sung wu,

I notice that you have demoted Paul 1405 to Paul 1403. Do you intend to reduce him to just Paul:).

Hey o sung wu, while it is unpleasant to think we once risked our lives to make the place safe for these nasty clowns, don't let their garbage upset you.

It is their modus operandi to use unpleasant needling to try to get under our skin. As they have nothing real to say, it is all they have.

Don't let it get up your nose, the lot of them aren't worth even a minutes emotional upset. Just let it flow, & laugh at their stupidity.

I have recently taken delivery of a drone, with all the camera gear & FPV goggles. These allow me to fly the thing as if I was a pilot again, flying a real aircraft in the pilots seat. This is only a toy, but it is obvious how, scaled up the modern remote controlled drone is a serious weapon.

I'll see if I can become as good with one of these as I once was with the real thing. That is unlikely, but I should become competent enough to be useful if necessary.

Incidentally I saw a joke the other day, I'm sure you will appreciate. Two pilots were discussing their day as they walked away from a hanger. One says to the other, I got shot down 4 times today. The next frame shows more of the hanger & the sign saying "JINDIVIK Remote Control Target centre.

Well these remote controlled things are no longer just targets, but a serious weapon, & you are safe back in the hanger.

Stay safe mate.

o sung wu,

You asked a question earlier;

If a Beirut style war were to occur here in Australia, do you think Muslim ADF personnel would be prepared to take-up arms against a fellow Muslim?

As a participant in the murderous Vietnam War, you could possibly answer your own question. How did the Americans coerce so many Vietnamese to join with them in the annihilation of so many of their fellow countrymen. What was the secret, I suspect it was the use of mercenary payments. Was blood money the incentive, and would not Muslims act against other Muslims in the same way if we offered the very same kind of inducement.

Hi There Tony LAVIS...

Steady ol fella...just sit down quietly, and have a nice cup of tea, it was just a question nothing more, certainly nothing for a gentleman such as yourself to become so emotionally distracted. Moreover I'm far too old to do any 'whining' - in any event, it wouldn't be a pretty sight.

Toni, whatever the topic is we're rarely allowed the privilege to hear very much from you, other than a couple of 'one liners' here 'n there, which are nevertheless appreciated without doubt. It would be nice therefore to hear much more from you, rather than these isolated ad hoc sentences? You're obviously well read, therefore it would be good for you to share some of your opinions and views with us?

Hey Foxy,

"We're living in very dangerous times - we're seeing
threats to our democratic way of life - there's an
increasingly rapid slide of the Australian right
towards tribalism. As I've stated previously - what
used to be formely fringe and discredited ideas fro
the edges of far-right discourse is finding its way
into the conservative mainstream."

I keep telling you Foxy you're a victim of propaganda.
When people say these things over and over has the ability to make people like you believe it, because its been droned into you.

Why do you get the 'Far' in 'Far-Right' groups from?
Show me - not some chinese whisper bs where someone said that someone read it occurs somewhere in Alice's Wonderland.
Show me actual evidence of it.
SHOW ME.

To me - You need EVIDENCE OF VIOLENCE AGAINST INNOCENT CITIZENS - to justify the 'Far-' prefix.
Now 20 or so years ago, there might've been groups of skinheads getting around bashing Asians - but where is that going on today?

Show me where there's groups of Australian nationalists routinely targeting foreign looking people and acting violently against them?

I'm not saying they're arent any far-right, I'm sure there are.
But I'd be willing to bet the people you label far-right are people who are just exercising their RIGHT to express their views in a manner that is covered under section 18D of our racial discrimination act.

It's all a bloody lie.

What we do have is far left groups claiming victimhood to shut down free speech, and they are attacking innocent people and succeeding in shutting down that free speech.

I get to say more or less ANYTHING I want here.
Do you think I can enjoy that luxury anywhere?
Well I can't.

Do you think your mainsteam news informed me or opened my mind to think carefully about things the way I do?
It didn't.

Hi there TTBN; HASBEEN; INDIVIDUAL & PAULINE1405...

The ridiculous point your trying so hard to extrapolate is the 'Montagnard' Hill People from around the village of 'Buon Plum' in the highlands. Food, Medical Care, Training & Weapons were given to these proud indigenous people, because of the slaughter occasioned by the NVA who wished to wipe them out, in toto. Long before the advent of even the French or American involvement. Entire tribes!

Hi TTBN...

You might be right there old mate, it could be a 'freudian slip' - However I invite you to more closely examine his epithet. I don't think I wished to 'reduce' him so much, as 'redact' him? :)

G'day there INDIVIDUAL...

You're 100% right. Truth is the one element these people find difficult to embrace. Yet, what they say is true, 'the truth often sets you free'. Apparently many of them don't wish to be confronted by the truth.

Imagine if you will - I went over to Riyadh and had a press conference saying something similar to that, made in the Senate this week by Senator Mehree FARUQI, 'I'm going to shake some things up' together with other statements apropos homosexual rights and rights of the 'alphabet' people. I reckon I'd be in a whole lot of bother, don't you?

Hi there HASBEEN...

I know you're right Mate. But to have something thrown at you, about a War that I had no control over, makes me a little snappy. One of my closest, best mates survived FSB Coral, died soon after, of multiply Brain tumours, caused by the exfoliant A.O. and to have someone two gutless to even register for Nasho's points the finger of accusation, at the Aussie troops in Vietnam. If they ever got hold of him; Emmmm! You're in to these models aren't you? They're not easy to fly neither from what I've heard? Not a realistic 2nd place to the race track, is it old fella? Thank you very much for your support, I appreciate it.

//You're obviously well read, therefore it would be good for you to share some of your opinions and views with us?//

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3UCAQSFxCQ

Dear o sung wu,

You wrote;

“Quite the contrary Steele. They're terrible labels in which to characterise an individual, you can never underestimate the level of emotional distress such epithets can have?”

Oh indeed and I did note way you added the threat of physical violence, rearranging Josephus' face, for his troubles. Well I suppose if we want our messages heard we shouldn't shirk going in hard and you have certainly not been holding back of late. It is quite instructional in fact.

You also wrote;

“You infer our country (Australia) was 'stolen' by the white settlers, and later unlawfully occupied by their progeny and other white settlers, ever since. If a case was to be made out before a Court of Law; alleging these settlers stole the land. And the Judgement was: It should be returned to them.”

Forgive me but I thought rather than inferred I had instead stated quite plainly. I will restate it here;

“Finally of course this country was stolen, anybody who believes otherwise also doesn't know its history. It is difficult to turn back time however many other nations have treaties with their original inhabitants.”

While it certainly is too late to fully right the wrongs of dispossession we should at least move forward on a treaty similar to Canada and New Zealand. As I said I am from a bit of a bygone era I suppose but there was a time when we, as Australians, really valued being fair minded about things like this and were moving toward a treaty with our own indigenous folk. I'm getting a bit nostalgic for those times.

Make up your bloody mind.
Gawd ! Not another one. Ah well, the remarks might, just might get slightly better once the swingers drop.

Dear Josephus,

“Islam wants to out populate other Australians so the more who die their goal becomes easier. It is part of the Gentle Death Cult agenda! They then do not have to kill their opposing population, until they outgrow the numbers of the Democracy and Control Government.”

Who has the greater birth rate out of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria,Turkey or Indonesia? Israel is the answer you drop kick. All of them are swamped by Christian counties like the Philippines or Timor.

You really are crapping your pants over this rot aren't you.

What a load of absolute rubbish from someone determined to stir up fear and discontent in my country. Why don't you just clear off you spineless little person. There are torch bearing clowns in the US who would welcome you into their ranks.

You just need to stop. This is Elders of Zion territory and it is distasteful, inaccurate, the sign of someone who just loves to hate and is paranoid to boot.

You really are a shameless person aren't you.

Posted by SteeleRedux, Thursday, 30 August 2018 11:46:46 PM-
"Who has the greater birth rate out of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria,Turkey or Indonesia? Israel is the answer you drop kick. All of them are swamped by Christian counties like the Philippines or Timor."

Answer-

http://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2054rank.html

Rank Country (BIRTHS/1,000 POP) POP Date of Information
27 Timor-Leste 33.40 1,291,358 2017 est.
61 Philippines 23.70 104,256,076 2017 est.
75 Syria 21.20 18,028,549 2017 est.
84 Kuwait 19.20 2,875,422 2017 est.
93 Saudi Arabia 18.30 28,571,770 2017 est.
96 Israel 18.10 8,299,706 2017 est.
113 Indonesia 16.20 260,580,739 2017 est.
119 Turkey 15.70 80,845,215 2017 est.

165 Australia 12.10 23,232,413 2017 est.

No worries, the Forum Platoon of the "like minded" is forming itself down at the old folks home as we speak.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxa3mNrEmkY

FYI o sung wu;

"The South Vietnamese Army first took shape after the 1954 Geneva Agreement when the American Military Assistance Advisory Group (MAAG) commanded by Lieutenant General John O'Daniel set about creating a modern military force, funded by the US."

The South Vietnamese Army was bought and paid for with American blood money. In the worse of situations you will get some from the group being targeted, cooperating, and participating in the persecution of their own. In South Africa during the apartheid period not all those who beat and murdered blacks were white, some were black. In Nazi ghettos and death camps, not all the persecutors were German, some were Jews.

I can't see your problem with the "loyalty" of Muslims in the ADF.

None are more stupid than those who think they're not !

Paul,

Well we've gone from " "A vote for Labor next Saturday is a Mortal sin" words to that effect were read out in every Catholic Church in Australia" to well somewhere someone might have said something along those lines to someone somewhere sometime.

Look Paul, if what you originally claimed had really happened (you know in real life, not your imagination) then it would be easy to find evidence for it. But there is no evidence because it didn't happen.

I know its part of the ALP mythology. The left always creates mythology to explain the unpalatable. I recall having to educate you on the mythology surrounding the whole "pig Iron Bob" rubbish.

I recall back in the early 1980's(?) a series of articles in the Oz between Gerard Henderson and a couple of journos who, like you, regurgitated the mortal sin to vote Labor rubbish. The journos had to eventually admit that there was zero evidence for the claim and that the error grew out of a sermon by one priest who said he'd feel as though he'd sinned if he voted Labor.

But now that you've retreated from your outlandish and historically naive claims, I think I will leave you in piece and ignorance.

Canem, Thanks for exposing Toni lack of research on her claims on Israel.

75 Syria 21.20 births per 1,000 population of - 18,028,549 - 2017 est.
84 Kuwait 19.20 births per 1,000 population of - 2,875,422 - 2017 est.
93 Saudi Arabia 18.30 births per 1,000 population of -28,571,770 -2017 96 Israel 18.10 births per 1,000 population -8,299,706 2017 - est.

Birth rate, crude (per 1,000 people) in Egypt was reported at 26.49 in 2016, according to the World Bank collection of development indicators, compiled from officially recognized sources.

Israel the lowest birth rate of the stated Middle Eastern Countries.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mf/3101.0

Australia at 12.2 births per 1,000 population, of estimated resident population (ERP) of Australia at 31 December 2017 was 24,770,700 people, since 2017 we have increased by over 353,817 growth to now register 25,024,517 in one year.

This projection is based on the estimated resident population at 31 December 2017 and assumes growth since then of:
one birth every 1 minute and 42 seconds,
one death every 3 minutes and 16 seconds,
one person arriving to live in Australia every 1 minute and 1 second,
one Australian resident leaving Australia to live overseas every 1 minute and 51 seconds, leading to an overall total population increase of one person every 1 minute and 23 seconds.

//Thanks for exposing Toni lack of research on her claims on Israel.//

I haven't made any claims on Israel, Josephus. And I'm male. You're not quite right in the head, are you?

mhaze,

I see you are not correcting your error concerning the DLP. Nor are you providing evidence of your claim that there was some "ALP mythology" concerning Catholic Church instruction to its parishioners on their voting intentions at the 1964 federal election, should be easy to prove.

BTW; Where were you in 1964, were you privy to these events, or were you still only a twinkle in your old mans eye.

Should I leave you wallowing in your extreme right delusions, or try and educate you. Your choice.

If you're over 75 and a hard right conservative, I expect you to enlist in the forums Dads Army Defence Platoon. As an inducement we'll give you the rank of General five star, all the Field Marshal gongs have been taken by O Sung Wu, Hasbeen, individual, Is Mise, ttbn Armchair Critic and Shockadelic. The platoon is limited to eight, and not everyone can be a Field Marshal, someone has be of lower rank to do the dirty work.

There are of course many solutions to the Islam issue.

Here's an interesting one....

"Members of the public who have been chosen for reeducation have been infected by an ideological illness. They have been infected with religious extremism and violent terrorist ideology"

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/china-pathologizing-uighur-muslims-mental-illness/568525/

Those cheering for China to replace the US as world hegemon might be disappointed with the outcome.

Posted by mhaze, Friday, 31 August 2018 9:39:07 AM- "Those cheering for China to replace the US as world hegemon might be disappointed with the outcome."

Answer- The trade war between The West and China (The East) isn't the first war fought for balance of trade. Economics is very important in every war. The world framework is at risk of fracturing- there could be a second cold war- the divisions in the West between Europe and the US, etc are already there. These issues need to be dealt with decisively. If there is a return to the rules based global framework between countries there may be hope to avoid escalation. The UN has many issues that need resolution. At some stage the pressure building up within countries will be too much for the police to control and the army will need to be brought in. With police and army divided along racial lines they will be disfunctional. That's where things will start to get interesting. Maybe foreign governments will give support to certain communities it order to "settle the issue".

The fractious elements within the communities need to be extinguished- notably the instability due to multiculturalism/ which Trotskyism is mainly behind. The weapon it mainly uses is Political Correctness. If someone is disruptive at a meeting by continually being PC they need to be removed- whether in the workplace or otherwise. PC can be used to control debate- as with every opinion it's place is not to be disruptive.

Get rid of PC and there will be open conflict in the community but it will be better than the alternative. There will need to be a careful effort to extract the PC "sea lions" from positions of power. Everyone needs to have a "black book of PC people" so that we remember to remove them from positions of power. David Marr for example might be one.

The problem with these PC people is that they represent minority groups at the expense of the electorates diaspora. For example Australian young appear to be disadvantaged for the benefit of immigrants- in the property market- in job security.

The Capitalists have always been happen to stir up a fight and then collect the benefits. At the moment Socialists are happy to be the ones fighting the masses with Capitalist support. The immigrants are starting to form a solid political block with their own influence.
Given that the immigrants are very different than the other groups (Caps Socs) they are potentially the biggest threat to everyone (Caps Socs Masses). It's no longer true that ethnic groups are cut off from their homelands- so the homelands are likely to play a role in the conflict. The Socialists believe that (given China is a Communist country and India has sections of Communism- Calcutta in a poor country ripe for Communist propaganda)- Communism will win in the end of this bitter Cap/ Soc conflict.

Summary- Masses will be destroyed by the Caps and Socs, Caps will be destroyed by the Socs, Socs will be destroyed by the Chinese and Indians, Chinese destroyed by the Indians.

I'd prefer to avoid all the destruction and work on the principle "you manage your stuff and stay on your side of the fence- I'll manage my stuff and stay on mine".

Less people in the world would be better

//Less people in the world would be better//

Can I put you down as a volunteer towards that effort?

Toni, those that have changed gender are certainly attempting to reduce the population.

Toni Lavis- It's you that is looking for "volunteers" not me. I'm looking for more family planning in countries that are already over populated. And they call the right Jew killers...

It's interesting in the current climate that those protecting identity politics are doing so because they have a "vested family interest".

But in the longer term their protection of their families will create a Trotskyist world where there are "no families".

If the people trying to protect their families took a longer view perhaps they would take a different position.

Dear Canem Malum,

You used CIA figures while I used World Bank ones.

There are glaring discrepancies between the two.

For instance the World Bank has the fertility rate of Chad at 5.9 putting it in 5th place while the CIA have it at 27th with a rate of 4.34.

One of the measures on how reliable the data from an organisation is on things like population and GDP is how often they are cited in research papers.

The CIA World Factbook is very much at the back of the pack compared to the big 3, the World Bank, the IMF and the UN.

If you would like to make the case that it is more accurate than these other agencies be my guest, but until then I am sticking with my figures thank you.

Dear Josephus,

Where on earth are you pulling those figures from my friend?

“New statistics show that the Israeli-Jewish fertility rate this year has surpassed that of the Israeli-Arab population for the first time, defying analysts who have made long-term projections of a Jewish minority in Israel.”
http://www.jns.org/israels-jewish-fertility-rate-tops-arabs-for-first-time-defying-demographic-doom/

How about a link for us?

PAULINE1405...

So?...... I was speaking of the true indigenous Hill Tribes of Vietnam, you 'drop kick'. If I may be permitted to borrow a term employed by STEELEREDUX?

And speaking as I have of my titular mentor and moral guardian:- G'day there STEELEREDUX...

Your claim about me 'going in hard', as it were, is mystifying to say the least? While it's true, a year or so ago we enjoyed a spirited discussion over many issues, initiated by a remark that I originated - 'The ABC is a very biased, Leftist' Media organisation. I believe I substantiated my point very well. However I did employ a number of less than kindly phrases, comments. Moreover I did deny you, your 'correct' elucidation of the Latin term 'res gestae'. I did apologise to you. No excuses; just another 'episode'.

I 'went in hard' playing League and boxing? But on a medium such as 'The Forum' there's no opportunity for anybody to be especially aggressive and 'go in hard'.

In fact the ABC just keeps on giving, with many more folk now claiming bias. There are those of the Christian faith who find the ABC's absurd treatment and parodies of Christianity, quite beyond the realms of decency. The ABC dare not parody Islam or Muslims? I'm an atheist so I doesn't bother me.

On another matter Steele, there seems to be more and more people on 'The Forum' rolling out ad infinitum 'quotations' from notable academics and other similarly erudite individuals. Instead of clearly enunciating and explaining their own views, thoughts and opinions on a particular topic. To my way of thinking it's academically lazy, and it really does suppress and impede original thought. And that can only be bad? When I worked in the Academy as an Instructor, recruits needed to be able to quote certain sections of the various Acts and Regs. like the proverbial parrots? In such circumstances, it can be determined as necessary, given the importance of say..., a particular 'power of entry without a warrant' as an example?

//And they call the right Jew killers...//

Who said anything about killing Jews, weirdo? I just thought since you're so deeply concerned about overpopulation, you might be willing to raise your hand to do your bit and top yourself for the cause. Think global, act local and all that.

But it seems you aren't sufficiently concerned about overpopulation to pull your own weight when it comes to reducing it. Nobody ever is... funny, that.

//But in the longer term their protection of their families will create a Trotskyist world where there are "no families".//

Trotskyists... good grief.

Hey dude, the 1950's called, they want their Cold War paranoia back.

Israel has a younger population than most neighbours as they have a large proportion of new immigrants; particularly from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova, France, the U.K., Germany, Holland, Belgium and Argentina. Their current birth rate is 3.16 per woman.

//there seems to be more and more people on 'The Forum' rolling out ad infinitum 'quotations' from notable academics and other similarly erudite individuals. Instead of clearly enunciating and explaining their own views, thoughts and opinions on a particular topic. To my way of thinking it's academically lazy, and it really does suppress and impede original thought.//

Oh, sorry. Although in my defence I will point out that Archbishop Gumby is not a notable academic, a whilst fairly erudite for a Gumby, he is still a Gumby.

Allow me then to enunciate my own views and opinions:

I believe in peace and bashing two bricks together. Particularly that last bit.

Dear Toni,

You made me spill my coffee - laughing.

Seriously though. I find it helpful when people do
provide references and textual quotations and/or
links to materials that reinforce their opinions.

If they're able to support their statements with
evidence by using attachments or links to websites
(especially for long detailed information) it gives
their information and opinions more credibility.

But that's just my humble opinion.

Dear o sung wu,

Perhaps I should have been clearer, when I spoke about you going in hard I was specifically referring to this thread. Permit me to quote you;

“'Jesus Chrysler' these bastards make me really mad with all this hyperbole they engender, trying hard to create an 'atmosphere' of suspicion and hatred. Civil War what's this boof-head talking about? If 'she' was a 'He' I'd be more than happy to assist in re-aligning the cartilage of his nose for him.”

You made your point well and forcefully. The boof-head talking about civil war was Josephus and you were perfectly within your rights to go after someone who was “deliberately trying to stir-up trouble”.

All I have done is endevour to back you up, to call him out on his rabble rousing, his stirring up of discontent, his blatant fearmongering, his attempt to create an atmosphere of “suspicion and hatred”. I am as appalled as you are that people like he can go about their nefarious business and think they can get away with it.

Well not on our watch.

I'm sure he will now think twice about trying it on again.

You also noted;

“On another matter Steele, there seems to be more and more people on 'The Forum' rolling out ad infinitum 'quotations' from notable academics and other similarly erudite individuals. Instead of clearly enunciating and explaining their own views, thoughts and opinions on a particular topic.”

Oh I fully agree. There is nothing worse than quoting verbatim from some clueless opinion maker like Bolt or the like. Sure the use of facts and figures to back up one's arguments should be encouraged and we should be happy to use experts where required, just like calling in the sappers rather than attempting the job yourself I suspect. But one's own opinion should be clearly stated. I hope you don't find me remiss in this regard, some feel I'm even a little too opinionated.

As to 'res gestae' I simply have no idea what you are talking about.

I believe in peace and bashing two bricks together. Particularly that last bit.
Toni Lavis,
You'd better wear a hat then so as not to get mistaken for a brick.

He might be able to use a hat - but for
another reason. He doesn't want to get
sun burnt.

He'll be busy laying a firm foundation
with the bricks that are being thrown.

Steele, you are banging your head against the wall with the forums resident ex-walloper. Without even listing to, or reading Mehreens speech, and armed only with the knowledge that she was a Muslim woman, and a Green, enough said, he took it upon himself to verbal the woman in classic "good" copper style.
It didn't matter to this Barney Boy that the material he was using to discredit the woman, came from the religious fundo Josephus, and not her, that would be a to inconvenient truth. He was well aware of what he was deliberately doing, in his copper vernacular its called a "stitch up!"

Thinks he is a real man, but does not apologise for his blatant lying, a real man would.
o sung wu, was lying and fabricating evidence your regular modus operandi when you were a copper?

Hi there TONI LAVIS...

I'm not entirely sure what your problem is, but you seem to delight in providing some measure of sarcasm and mockery with others who attempt to express a view herein. Why? Personally I couldn't give a tinkers cuss what you say to me. But others with whom you plainly disagree, I don't understand why you can't be pleasant in your rebuttal, preferring instead to assail them with a few well chosen sly and devious remarks that are calculated to embarrass them, or make them look foolish? With respect, are you a nasty bastard all the time, or just when you're on The Forum? Just a simply enquiry is all.

If it's your wish to engage in a spirited exchange of views on this delightful Forum, I'm up for it, believe me. Just give me the nod. Ms. LAVIS, I can assure you I thoroughly enjoy a vigourus exchange of banter.

FOXY...

Try not spill your coffee when I suggest in future, it would've been much nicer to address your remarks to me personally, as I was the originator (quoting academics) Instead of your preferred method, of employing a seemingly carefree remark, during a discussion with a friendly cohort.

All that really does, is confirm prima facie; that our dear, saccharine sweet FOXY, is not all 'peaches & cream' that she likes us all to believe - rather she's a cold, calculating individual easily given to duplicitous & furtive behaviour whenever her sincerity or bona fides are questioned. You and TONI make a grand couple - Just a thought is all?

//With respect, are you a nasty bastard all the time, or just when you're on The Forum? Just a simply enquiry is all.//

Wait, you've got your nose out of joint because I quoted Monty Python? I realise not everybody finds them as amusing as I do, but I wouldn't have thought they'd be anything to get fired up about. Oh well, different strokes for different folks I suppose.

Sorry mate, I didn't think that Monty Python were still controversial and I definitely didn't mean to offend you. My apologies. I'll try to bear in mind that you're not a fan of the Flying Circus in future.

o sung wu,

I was actually laughing at Toni's remarks - it had nothing
to do with you.

However, I have no control over how you choose to
interpret things or what you may think of me.
I've lived without your opinion for quite a few decades
and I dare say that I can continue to do so - difficult
as that may be for me to do. I had always thought of
you as a kind and caring, and understanding person.
Obviously I made a mistake.

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

I'm not sure if I can continue? I'm feeling a little light headed, I've just received another blistering salvo from Pauline1405, and it was devastating in the extreme, to a point I may not be able to continue? I'll try to give it a go nevertheless.

You know you're not in accord with our FOXY, who feels it's perfectly reasonable to use passages from others, to back-up hers and their opinions? Please don't misunderstand me, myself, FOXY and Ms.Toni LAVIS, have had a 'parting' as it were. It would seem I'm rather too pugnacious for either of them, so I've had to quietly withdraw into the dark recesses of my cellar in fear for my safety (imagined or otherwise). Moreover I've sort of divested FOXY of her 'peaches 'n cream' image, that she enjoys deploying. So the 'night of the long knives' draws nigh.

I think you're smart enough to realise, if the Muslims gained any sort of political hold, in this country, our culture as we know it would be over. Even now, many of the Muslim women and men will not observe Court etiquette by standing when the presiding member comes in? They know most of the Oz Judiciary haven't the guts to impose 'contempt' penalties on them? Therefore making it that much harder for others to follow?

May I enquire, what would you do about such a situation? A very minor show of respect, to the Court, one that's been around at least for a couple of centuries. They (Muslims) already disregard many of our other important courtesies and politeness, like standing for the elderly on a bus or train? What next. You've already been a strong advocate for them coming here, what now, do you still hold that view?

No FOXY it was I that made the mistake. Too late now, any trust I had for you has diminished. Took me awhile to figure you out, but it was right there in front of me. I wish you no animosity or rancour, that said...we'll see.

Hi Foxy,

This blokes is a nasty piece of work! A militarist and ex-copper of moderate rank. No doubt a long history of barking orders and getting his own way. On here he flaunts his previous military and police occupations as some kind of badge of authority, its not! Don't be fooled with this "with respect" and such nonsense, the bottom line is he simply cannot tolerate any opinion contrary to his own.

o sung wu

//I'm not sure if I can continue? I'm feeling a little light headed, I've just received another blistering salvo from Pauline1405, and it was devastating in the extreme, to a point I may not be able to continue? I'll try to give it a go nevertheless.//

Trying to buy sympathy, it don't wash with me. I gave you that in the past, only to be abused when you thought you were on top. All I can suggest is a Bex, a cup of tea, and a good lie down. Then you might come to your senses, if you don't, I don't give a fig.

o sung wu,

"The night of the long knifes?"

What on earth are you talking about?

And as for your "divesting" some image of mine?

I wasn't aware that I had an image.

I am rather concerned about you though.

Perhaps talking about what's really troubling you would help?

Dear Paul,

Thank You for your advice.

I don't quite understand what's come over o sung wu.
I'm sure there must be a reason for his current
behaviour.

I don't want to upset him any further.

Instead I'll try to work harder on myself.

I shall try to remove from my mind the
tendency to judge, the tendency to hate, the tendency to
blame. I shall try to stand on my own power through
love instead of fear, and through peace instead of
violence. I shall try not to hear voices of anger, but only
of love. I shall try not to hate those who hate me. I shall
try to transform what appears to be darkness into light.
And finally I shall take all of my
bad thoughts and wash them clean.

//Less people in the world would be better//

Can I put you down as a volunteer towards that effort?
Tini Lavis,
Yep no worries I'll do the deed for you. Just stand against that wall & don't move.

Dear o sung wu,

Well you know mate there are all kinds who make up this world and to my mind there aren't enough gentle people in it. Foxy is a considerate gentle person. If she has a propensity to put up quotes and links then my sense it is so people can go and read them and make up their own minds without being told exactly what to believe. Completely fair and reasonable.

Forgive the obvious liberty but we two on the other hand would rightly be classed as highly opinionated. If we get our chains pulled we tend to bite back fairly readily. That doesn't make us any better than the likes of Foxy. Indeed I think we can both accept it probably makes us a darn sight worse.

It would however appear to be in our nature.

As to Muslims, I have far more concern about some of the values of the rich Chinese businessmen who are buying their citizenships through so called 'investment pathways'. The influence they are securing in all levels of government, and the corruption that it engenders, is really worry.

One thing I am not about to do is to wet myself over some Bukhara clad person walking toward me in the street, or some religious nutter not standing for a judge. They are minor distractions and certainly not a portend of civil war or the collapse of society. I will leave that to those quaking in their boots over imagined terrors.

I would add that not standing for a judge was not even deemed a contempt of court matter until recently. Why are we so intent on changing our laws because we get triggered by malcontents? Man up people.

What I do object to, as you did, are those fearful, knock-kneed types crying wolf at every opportunity. Let them go off into their little chat rooms gee each other up, I just want them to stay off my radar because they piss me off severely.

Then again I'm just another oldish cantankerous bastard.

Oh Dear Pauline1405...

We're a little upset are we, you really honestly think even your actual existence would give me a headache? I was merely enjoying a little quip at your expense you goose! So self absorbed with your own realisations of your many failings; firstly as a man, to your Country, your friends, and no doubt even your family - now you're trying hard to conceal your most lamentable conduct of all; back in the 1960's early 1970's? Running like a crybaby to your friend FOXY for succour, from the dreadful o sung wu? Perhaps an appeal to Graham YOUNG might do it?

I can only imagine the conversation between Graham YOUNG and you?

Er, Graham, I want to make a complaint about o sung wu? Why's that Pauline? 'Cause he's been especially nasty by calling me some very hurtful things. OK, what exactly are those 'hurtful' things he's been calling you? Now take your time, and please, if you can try to stop your crying now, and take a deep breath, and tell me everything he's done?

Pauline1405, I've known crooks who've had more character about them than you. I can picture you as this snivelling whining little bloke, who's had a 'run in' with the wallopers at one time or other, and instead of being a man, you've whinged and whined about it just like the 'baby bliss' you are. Now time for you to think about bed - now put your thumb in your mouth, and think of the many ways you might 'square up' with moi?

Dear Foxy,

There is certainly no need to change yourself but I have found a certain Welsh poet occasionally rather instructive.

Steele,

"Then again I'm just another oldish cantankerous bastard.".

I don't think that about you at all, I'm sure that your parents were lawfully married.

Hi there STEELEREDUX ...

It's not proper that I speak of FOXY with another. Suffice to say my opinion of her, is quite different now, than what it was previously?

Speaking of our own peculiarities, you might wonder what pushes my buttons, that sets me apart as a cantankerous old bastard. Is people who make unfounded comments about both the Vietnam War, and the Police Force, particularly when they've served in neither. I had my partner suicide with his own F/A, when I was still in uniform. And my closest mate (almost a brother to me) killed in Vietnam. They can't defend their own actions, so it's incumbent upon me to speak up for them.

Until you've served in either, you can't have any appreciation of what it's really like. Just after we first deployed my sect. was tasked with setting up an ambush with Claymores. They were remotely activated, and we had to go through the pockets and belongings of the dead. This young bloke who I was searching had this small crinkled B&W photo of either his family or whoever. An older man, and women and a couple of kids. And I thought, less than 50 minutes or so ago, this young fella was a breathing functioning person, now he's almost eviscerated by the mine. Don't get me wrong I don't suffer nightmares or anything...but? You see my point?

o sung wu,

They'll never get the point, and they'll never know what it's like to go on functioning after a mate has been killed or even after just a bit of a clash that sees no one hurt.

"those fearful, knock-kneed types crying wolf at every opportunity"

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/islamic-state-calls-for-terrorist-attacks-in-australia/news-story/9a896f4dbdabd7a066df8cfeb0690cd6

Wolf!

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2017/april/muslim-gang-attacks-christians-in-australia

Wooolf!

http://www.news.com.au/national/crime/the-11-imminent-terror-attacks-australia-narrowly-escaped/news-story/86fc734df0963e21fe038c0eecce7d80

WOOOOOOLF!

the strange thing is o sung wu is that the first people the Antifa/leftist thugs call when they are in trouble are the ones they spit and crap on when throwing their tantrums (ie the Police). Yep they admire their socialist facist leaders and lack any common decency. Products of a very mirky swamp.

o sung wu,

Is that the best you can come up with, using supposedly dead mates to garner sympathy from strangers on an anonymous forum. Now your involving the forum moderator in your petulant nonsense. Wow, you certainly are a nasty piece of work.
I have no concern for you, or your rubbish about what you claimed to have done in Vietnam, or in the coppers.

//I don't quite understand what's come over o sung wu.
I'm sure there must be a reason for his current
behaviour.//

Oh well. If he doesn't want to share what he's so crabby about, it obviously can't be that important. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Posted by SteeleRedux, Friday, 31 August 2018 1:00:53 PM- "The CIA World Factbook is very much at the back of the pack compared to the big 3, the World Bank, the IMF and the UN. If you would like to make the case that it is more accurate than these other agencies be my guest, but until then I am sticking with my figures thank you."

Answer- Well you could be right that my figures weren't that good. In fact I may not be a very good researcher. To be honest they were at the top of the Google search so I didn't really answer the essay question. Where were your figures and references? And birth statistics perhaps don't have much relevance without population numbers. I do find the CIA factbook usefully presents the information. It was a minimal functional product.

To O Sung Wu- It can be very interesting to see what people do when you give them some rope. :)

Dead mates deserve respect, live human maggots don't !

Dear o sung wu,

Again I fully agree. Indeed Josephus making unfounded comments was what had me giving him a serve. I know the usual response is to understand where the ignorance is coming from and then gently steer them to seeing the picture more fully, but sometimes I get so jack of it.

I spent a good part of my youth overseas and have seen some pretty ordinary outcomes due the fear, superstition and ignorance of others. Australia is supposed to be an enlightened country yet we have our own share of those who would create division and strife in our communities.

There are certainly ways to on the one hand highlight what stupid, senseless wars like the conflict in Vietnam really were while acknowledging the experiences of those who were tasked with prosecuting it on the ground. As other memories fade formative experiences are often held in stark relief. I would imagine this is doubly so for those who were part of the conflict.

Your description of the toll exacted is why I have so little respect for those who would have us only glorify war.

Dear Steele,

Your kind words are deeply and advice are deeply appreciated.
I shall try to live up to them.

I've known o sung wu for decades. We've disagreed many times -
but I don't recall him ever behaving the way he currently is.
I suspect it must be linked with the onset of his dementia.
And for that he deserves out patience and understanding and
I should have known better than to joke around. I deeply
regret it.

Canem Malum,

A woman needs ropes - ropes of pearls.

Of course you wouldn't PAULINE1405, you'd ensure you were NEVER in harms way in the first place. You weren't so much a consciences objector, rather an objector with a guilty conscience.

As clearly evidenced by your own inexcusable conduct. Being among the loudest dissenters; the noisiest demonstrators; and despite it all...always the biggest coward of them all.

Among all this amiable banter, I hope we're still firm friends and fellow colleagues on 'The Forum'. I do recognise (but not quite understand), many of your character deficiencies and personal foibles. And dare I say, 'demons'; as I hope you do mine? In fact I've not known anyone quite like you? Therefore it's for this reason you'd make a fascinating study into the human dynamic. Especially when that individual is confronted with an almost impossible dilemma, at a time his Country has been asked, by it's closest ally, to participate in a war, not of it's making.

Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 1 September 2018 10:37:21 AM-
"Canem Malum, A woman needs ropes - ropes of pearls."

Answer- I'm generally happy to give gifts of jewelry. But there is the item of positive and negative sexism as well as the definition of gender. At least I suspect that you would receive such gifts as they are intended. :)

Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 31 August 2018 10:02:20 PM- "Is that the best you can come up with, using supposedly dead mates to garner sympathy from strangers on an anonymous forum. Now your involving the forum moderator in your petulant nonsense. Wow, you certainly are a nasty piece of work. I have no concern for you, or your rubbish about what you claimed to have done in Vietnam, or in the coppers."

Answer- I wonder Paul1405 if there anything/ anyone you would die for and how you feel when someone close to you perishes. I can't claim to understand O Sung Wu's mind. From what I see O Sung Wu went through an intense but a somewhat loosely similar process that everyone goes through when someone close perishes- something everyone can relate to. But the situation has crystalised the experience into a monolithic landmark in his consciousness. They say that veterans find that they are unable to discuss their experiences with anyone but other veterans- the same with police officers. These officers have to deal with the pathology of society that most choose to avoid. I find it interesting to see the world through their eyes so that I can try to keep them out of danger in policy.

It's pretty annoying when "someone" calls a professional in to help with something- someone with years of experience on the ground- that's not to say that education is not important but it must recognise its place- and then the "someone" (not understanding what they are doing) spend all their time tearing them down even when the professional is desperately trying to solve the "someones" problem so they can get out the door and avoid the "someones" insults.

Hi there INDIVIDUAL & CANEM MALUM...

Sorry for my delay in responding, truth is I've not had much sleep last nigh,t entirely due to my sobbing incessantly into my pillow, at all the horrible things The Left' have said of me recently?

If anyone believes that - I'll be utterly stunned I really will be. Even our youngest Grandchild would erupt in uncontrolled laughter if I were to suggest such a thing.

This topic - 'Are we facing Civil War' is far more important than a mere discussion point for; either OLO and/or The Forum. The more I look around our City, it's suburbs & environs, the more I realise how diluted or adulterated our hitherto Australian culture has become.

It'd be absurd to suggest that everyone obviously born overseas, would be a potential dissident or subversive, but we do have impeccable evidence suggesting that certain demographics do have antecedents for radicalised activity, and these are the groups we need to watch.

Yet Labour (The Left) upon winning the next election, would rush to open our Borders, allowing an influx of Boat People to enter our country, almost without the benefit of even a perfunctory check? This issue alone should ensure Labour is kept in Oppositions for awhile longer I'd suggest. I can assure you, to fully establish a person's bona fides, takes an enormous amount of time, as many overseas Agencies will never co-op with Australian Authorities. Moreover, just the mere mention of the word 'police' would raise flags of mistrust. There're language difficulties - The written dialect can be at variance, to the spoken form. We were lucky to a certain extent, most checks were carried out by ASIO, DEFAT and the Fed Police.

Still that's all very necessary, particularly when these Boat People wilfully discard All Their Papers of Identification? People arriving with a genuine Passport, their bona fides are checked and cleared in a matter of six to eight weeks when they're seeking political asylum? Of course it doesn't mean Asylum will be granted, but it does raise the question of their good Character.

I think we could all benefit from
taking a few steps back and consider
our own assumptions and behaviour.

Just as an example - Look at the way that some of us
look at today's immigrants. Those of us who think that
they don't deserve what
we do, and that we have something to protect from their
encroachment. It seems paradoxical to me that we would brag
about our ancestors' coming over by boat, yet condemn someone
trying to do the same thing today.

Of course there are immigrants who abuse our system, just as
there are people born here who abuse our system. The truth is
that the majority of today's immigrants bring with them an
infusion of the same values that our ancestors personified.
They are people willing to work for long hours to make a
better life for themselves and their families.

In many cases -
our children do not stand to be corrupted by their values,
so much as their children stand to be corrupted by ours.
The scapegoating of today's immigrants makes a mockery
of Australian values - values of a fair go and all that entails.
It is a national immorality when we say no to compassion.

Compassion need not , indeed should not, be considered
synonymous with financial expenditure. It means simply a mental
commitment to accept the possibility of options we had not
considered. Throwing money at a problem is not always the
answer. But compassion, understanding, inclusiveness, tolerance
always helps.

Just a few thoughts to consider.

Throwing money at a problem is not always the answer.
Foxy,
Could you please send that to the present opposition ?

Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 1 September 2018 12:53:57 PM-
"I think we could all benefit from taking a few steps back and consider our own assumptions and behaviour.... Just as an example - Look at the way that some of us look at today's immigrants. Those of us who think that they don't deserve what we do, and that we have something to protect from their encroachment. It seems paradoxical to me that we would brag about our ancestors' coming over by boat, yet condemn someone trying to do the same thing today."

Answer-

At least Foxy seems to be able to acknowledge that "there is a view that immigrants don't deserve our generosity".

The cities that the British regime built didn't come over "by boat".

Modern Native Australian's benefit from what the British system brought.

We have a responsibility to native Australian's within reason but not to immigrants- "immigrants come here at our pleasure".

What I see is generations of my people from the British regime that built Australia- and even when it wasn't the British who built them directly it was under the British system- it is an insult to their memory and to my family that immigrants can come to Australia and take ownership of this property and call it "their own".

Australian's for generations have sacrificed to create a better life for their descendants (me and mine) only to have it hijacked by opportunistic globalists, foreigners, marginal identityists, Trotskyists, politicians, traitors.

They don't have a vested interest in Australia.

It's ironic that these are attracted to Australia for the same reasons we want to protect it.

They attack us and call us murderers (Nazi racists) as they are murdering our culture.

"British-ness / Australian-ness is who we are" no matter who comes to our nation, who Australian's marry, etc- we are nothing without it. Homeless without family, culture, or nation.

As we get older we gain experience and appreciate and trust our parents view more and more- Socs enjoy pointing to this and create division with the young.

In answer to Foxy through the chair- For the reasons above. With respect I don't agree with you. I can't take a step back I have no where to go.

Islam is NOT the problem, see:

http://stephenblanton.com/growth/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrPenkfGY3QIV0LWWCh2YDgU5EAMYASAAEgIYVPD_BwE

for a an insight into what is really worth worrying about

Foxy, where is your compassion for 100,000 homeless, the 700,000 unemployed, the victims of rape, murder and robbery by useless invaders.

Where is your compassion for the young family who can't afford a unit, let alone a house with a big backyard for the kids to play in?

Where is your compassion for the teachers trying to teach a class where 80% don't speak English at home?

Where is your compassion for the crowds cramming into trains and buses, or stalled in traffic jams?

Where is your compassion for the native animals and plants, whose habitat shrinks every day?

Where is your compassion for the Aussie who nostalgically visits his childhood home or school and finds the neighbourhood looks like the Third World?

Where is your compassion for the future children who look at the museum exhibits and wonder "What the hell happened to my people?"

very disturbing to see what happened in Germany during the week. Everyday people now looking to neo Nazis for protection as Merkel's idiotic open borders see so many suffering from crime.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/killing-sees-spectre-of-fascism-return-to-germany-as-heartlands-of-farright-are-inflamed-by-protests/news-story/0706311f6ba03b592c7588ff461d15b7

Lying media like our own abc has added to the frustration of everyday Germans who are now turning to extremist as the media and Merkel failed them. We are very dumb if we don't learn from it. Defunding the abc from its propaganda would be a good start.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/killing-sees-spectre-of-fascism-return-to-germany-as-heartlands-of-farright-are-inflamed-by-protests/news-story/0706311f6ba03b592c7588ff461d15b7

Interesting article- we'll see what appears on the current affairs programming tonight and the spin of the Soc media.

Gentlemen,

My apologies if I have offended any of you.

What I find concerning is that you seem not to
acknowledge the contributions made by people like
my parents who came to this country as refugees.
They were not seeking a better life, they were seeking
freedom. And they were invited to come by Arthur Calwell.
(having fled from their country after the Soviet occupation).

Their initial two-year contracts were their first major
contribution to Australia. They helped to solve an acute
labour shortage in Australia, especially in outlying areas.
Along with other European migrants, they relieved the
shortage of domestic staff in hospitals, increased the
output of building material, helped to build Australian homes,
saved fruit and sugar crops, maintained railways, worked in
sawmills, brick factories, cement works, on sewerage projects,
water conservation, salt and brown coal mining, clearing
land, quarrying, and so on.

A report by the Commonwealth Employment Service dated Sept.
1948 stated that the first 4000 displaced persons were
everywhere employed upon work for which sufficient Australian
labour was not available. This review of their activities
over a very short period suggests how much impetus their
availability in large numbers was likely to give to our housing
program and to our production in other industries which was
vital to the Australian economy.

In the country at that time Australian politicians and others
emphasised the newcomers' economic impact. My parents joined
other migrants in the building of Australia's capital
structures that were to serve the nation for many decades to come.
Their economic contribution was significant at a time when
Australia needed it most.

I won't go into any more details. The history books can give
you that information.

There is a tendency to moralise to say endless things to others
about how they should clean up their houses. Surely we must
clean up ours. The days are long gone when we had the genuine
moral authority from which to preach to others. Let us regain
the ground, take a fearless moral inventory, do the work on
ourselves that we still need to do.

Foxy- I can't expect you to understand. That's why we need to closely manage immigration.

Canem Malum,

Unfortunately I understand only too well.
To say that we're living in dangerous moments for
Australian democracy is an understatement. Anyone
following the increasingly rapid slide of some
Australians towards illiberalism, tribalism, and
crudity - are not surprised by recent developments.

Clear-eyed observers have been noticing the spread of
formerly fringe and discredited ideas from the edges
of far-right discourse into the conservative
mainstream for some time.

Whether we continue to have genuine leadership in this
country or not - we shall see. It all depends what kind
of a society most Australians want. Do they want to go back to
a nation state whose roots they believe to be based on
white supremacy - or do they want a more pluralistic and
liberal nation embracing a multi-hued democracy of genuine
tolerance and diversity? Time will tell.

Foxy,
I think you need to differentiate between bona-fide migrants & silent invaders i.e. fake migrants.
I am a migrant but I want to see Australia be the place it was, should be & could be, not what it is in danger of becoming.

Foxy

I don't think any reasonable Aussie would doubt the contribution made by the British or any other immigrants here in Australia. The 'wogs' showed many Australians how to sacrifice at work hard. Others like my parents in law lived without power and in a shed with 6 kids on a farm. They provided milk for a town.

The clear problem in my mind is the total dishonesty of mainstream media and Governments in acknowledging clear dangers with some immigration. London is a melting pot in a number of areas. Here in Australia the underreporting and denial of rapes in Cronulla and other areas helped produce riots. Again this was dishonestly reported by fake news outlets like the abc even to this day.

Of recent times anyone complaining about the huge rate of crime among the Sudanese is labelled racist. Strangely enough I have many African friends here in Australia that agree. The blatant hatred taught in some mosques is overlooked. Of course any questioning is 'racist'.

Your labelling of people like Bolt, Murray etc as far right is part of the problem. You like anyone can disagree but it is absolute nonsense to label them far right. What many are saying is that don't want issues debated. If Bolt is far right I don't know what that makes the getup clowns and Antifa facist.

I'm sorry to say but people like you are a large part of the problem by sticking your head in the sand and denying reality. Of course 98% of Australians don't want any violence or internal strife but the lying media, gutless Government and bringing undesirables here will certainly create it and then be dumb enough to ask why.

Foxy you have said it all, but still don't understand.

If todays immigrants were treated in the same way as your family, there would be no complaint. The riff Raff & garbage would avoid the place, & we would only get desirable immigrants.

We should offer limited support, a job opportunity, English lessons & training, but no public housing, other than hostel facilities for a short while, & no welfare above & beyond anything our own can get for decades.

Given that, & instant deportation for any antisocial or illegal activities, & we would be having none of the Muslim ethnic cleansing we are seeing in Sydney to my own knowledge, or the African street gang problem in Melbourne, & parts of Sydney.

Indy, Runner, Hassie,

Your concerns I feel are not really warranted.

The Government, although it kept telling us that
its policy on immigration was blind to race - the facts
show otherwise as the following link explains:

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/apr/05/australia-says-its-immigration-policy-is-blind-to-race-what-do-the-facts-show

Runner,

You've been around OLO long enough to know that the 's' in links is superfluous, maybe some day the problem will be fixed--hint--hint.

Foxy "I won't go into any more details."

Yes you wouldn't be able to copy and paste this entire page:
www.slic.org.au/Community/History/Taskunas.htm

How many of your comments are even your own words?

"Your concerns I feel are not really warranted."

Because the minister raised concerns about White South Africans?
So that's it! The whole immigration program has been utterly transformed! No need for concern about the other 99%.

Foxy,
As you don'y appear to get the gist of migration, have a look at this link to take your mind off migration.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/01/saudi-arabia-may-dig-canal-to-turn-qatar-into-an-island

Dear Foxy,

You wrote;

“I should have known better than to joke around. I deeply
regret it.”

Don't be silly. Of course you had every reason to pull up o sung wu on his behaviour toward others on this forum just as he has had every right to pull me up on mine, on more than one occasion.

Some of us are not built to go 'gently into the night' and I certainly hope I go out kicking and screaming, neither suffering fools lightly nor giving an inch.

I think you can best serve the cause by being yourself and speaking truth to us curmudgeonly miscreants, we certainly deserve it.

As to o sung wu and dementia, I think he is traveling fine. As soon as he starts repeating himself then I think I can ask for the grand he owes me but until then he is just another one of those moody, irascible old bastards who inhabit this forum who cut loose an occasion. I include myself in that cohort.

Give him a clip around the ears anytime.

Dear Shockadelic,

"those fearful, knock-kneed types crying wolf at every opportunity"

Well you certainly stepped up to fit the bill.

And look you even posted a link to CBN. Not quite the large US media organisation though is it. That would be CBS. This one is the Christian Broadcasting Network, that highly discredited, hate mongering, turgid pile of rubbish.

What was the story you linked to? “Muslim Gang Attacks Christians in Australia”. It is a story supposedly about a man who had his crucifix ripped from his neck in an altercation with four 'middle-eastern types'.

According to Baptist Pastor George Capsis “it's the fourth such attack on a Christian in Sydney in the past 6 months.”

Here are some more religiously motivated attacks.

http://indianexpress.com/article/world/muslim-woman-attacked-in-australia-4437348/

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/kilburn-man-charged-for-allegedly-grabbing-womans-headscarf-and-intimidating-her-on-bus-into-city/news-story/3b03d964c68addb668002978d8017983?nk=2fab49b722edd56a926f1a162e2a84db-1535796455

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/annmaria-bunce-sentenced-for-calling-young-muslim-woman-a-terrorist-ripping-off-hijab-in-rundle-mall/news-story/76d35343727866e218e779a1b8510442?nk=2fab49b722edd56a926f1a162e2a84db-1535799348

http://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/muslim-woman-viciously-attacked-outside-state-library-of-victoria-in-melbourne-20151030-gkmeu4.html

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/east/thugs-bash-muslim-schoolgirl-wearing-hijab-in-wantirna-south/news-story/2998e16ecebcac20f84014c6e94ce6c5?nk=2fab49b722edd56a926f1a162e2a84db-1535799520

So why are these assaults not labeled as 'Christians attacking Muslim women in Australia'?

And why on earth are you doing trying to stir up more anti-muslim sentiment which will in turn drive more assaults on Muslim women. Yes that is right, it seems the great preponderance of attacks from Christians are on Muslim women.

Proud of yourself yet?

Hi there STEELEREDUX...

There you go again allowing that ego of yours loose once more, trying to be the self appointed arbitrator of good taste. If it were to be put to a vote that you be appointed to such a role, how do you think it would turn out? You'd get quite a few I reckon; your own vote of course, and a dozen more, for each of your ego's.

As for placing your imprimatur on whether someone can 'pull me up' as it where, is pretty average, even for you. Which leaves me to believe, your own self absorption is more than justified. However your worst error, is to employ a line from the inimitable Dylan THOMAS'S 'Do not go Gentle into that Good Night' without first identifying the reference from whence it came? A bit tacky of you Steele, you're usually better than that.

You say you hope, '...you'll go out kicking and screaming, neither suffering fools lightly, nor giving an inch...'? Well Steele, how on earth can you live with yourself knowing as you do, how little you suffer fools? It's also quite curious to observe, how our very own 'delicate petal' FOXY, masterfully manipulate's you so very easily?

Lastly, a small thank you is due to you as well, for your brilliant diagnosis and treatment proposal for dementia and irascibility. Quote, '...give him a clip around the ears anytime...'? You should enter that into the Editorial Section of the 'British Medical Journal'; I understand they're doing a great deal of work in that area.

The demented old fool has spoken, knuckle under my boy or you'll be feeling the blunt end of his size 12 wolloper boot up your rear.

I think the "Dementia" thing is just another ploy to garner sympathy from others on the forum. I'll agree he's demented, but dementia. Pathetic!

This weeks word is maggot. spelt; M-A-G-G-O-T
Definition; a soft-bodied legless larva of a fly or other insect, found in decaying matter. Like a demented brain.

SteeleRedux "Proud of yourself yet?" is exactly the question you will be asked when you die.

You will have to explain why you persisted in apologising for a utopian fantasy, when you *knew* it was ruining people's lives.

You will not be able to feign innocence or ignorance.

Your comments here will be shown to you, along with the tragic crimes that befell people because *you* could have helped stop this but turned against the truth in favour of self-congratulating fantasy.

What will you say?

Dear o sung wu,

This is a bit better an effort. Dragging the chain was not a good look.

You wrote;

“There you go again allowing that ego of yours loose once more”

This ego of mine is never contained, and it is hardly ever going to permit me to say otherwise. You are of course not wanting in that department either but not quite all you could be. Instructions available if required.

You also wrote;

“However your worst error, is to employ a line from the inimitable Dylan THOMAS'S 'Do not go Gentle into that Good Night' without first identifying the reference from whence it came? A bit tacky of you Steele, you're usually better than that.”

Hardly an error old chap. I had alluded to the fine gentleman earlier “I have found a certain Welsh poet occasionally rather instructive” and thought you would have reacted to my temerity. But not a squeak from you. That's when I thought something more serious was afoot. But you have come good.

Now it can be depressing when you feel your words have 'forked no lightning' for a while. Clumsy lashing out doesn't cut it. Now there is at least a welcome whiff of ozone.

Finally no thanks required for my treatment for cantankerousness. For those lucky enough to have someone to effectively administer said therapeutic it can be a godsend.

Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 1 September 2018 4:26:06 PM-

"Do they want to go back to a nation state whose roots they believe to be based on white supremacy (Nazism) - or do they want... diversity?"

Answer-

Ah yes the obligatory Reductio Ad Hitlerum comment from the left designed to provoke anger and stop the debate. I must have hit a nerve. I too wouldn't believe for years that Australias immigration policy was wrong. But I can't expect to change someones world view in one post. It shows how difficult it's going to be for peace to return in Australia. Well Foxy if you call me a murderer- I guess I'll see you on the battlefield- that would be a self fulfilling observation- As Longfellow says "Death without quarter" as the speaker kills themself.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SZ8fPD1KcO4/VsXxB1eEIeI/AAAAAAAACsM/pxEKwzZO184/s400/Skull%2BIllusion%2BGoillusions.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-k3bfc9YfnaA/VC6_XnLoe6I/AAAAAAAAATA/gtQsXNZqGBU/s1600/10570297_944258992266663_8772312479695209505_n.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit%E2%80%93duck_illusion#/media/File:Kaninchen_und_Ente.png

http://nikkistern.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/young-woman-old-woman.jpg

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Thanks Shockadelic for the link that Foxy apparently cut and pasted.

LITHUANIANS IN AUSTRALIA- Dr. Algimantas P. Taškūnas

http://slic.org.au/Community/History/Taskunas.htm

It seems that there have been issues integrating Lithuanians (of which Foxy is apparently one) into the community based on this article

//"Do they want to go back to a nation state whose roots they believe to be based on white supremacy (Nazism) - or do they want... diversity?"

Answer-

Ah yes the obligatory Reductio Ad Hitlerum comment from the left designed to provoke anger and stop the debate.//

Wrong fallacy, halfwit. You see, I took the liberty of going back and examining Foxy's post... and it turns out that the word 'Nazism' does not appear within it. You just added that in yourself, so that you could accuse her of a reductio ad Hitlerum.

Unfortunately, adding the word Nazi in yourself amounts to standing up a straw man and your subsequent rebuttal of that position by reference to the reductio ad hitlerum fallacy is merely the knocking down of the straw man that you yourself erected. And Foxy's arguments passed through entirely unscathed because you've been too distracted metaphorically beating the hell out of a sack of straw to bother addressing any of her actual arguments.

Great debating, yappy Chihuahua. [sarcasm]

And the top Award for bad losers & dirty fighting goes to....... The Left !

Shocker,

My apologies for not responding to you earlier.
I had used up my posting limit and had to wait.

I did not cut and paste the material from the link.

I had this information. There were many of us who
provided the author (to close the gaps in the historical
data) by providing documents to him and first person
accounts. We've all been acknowledged. He's also a
close personal friend whose work I've supported for
decades.

Canem Malum,

Lithuanians are well integrated into the Australian
society. The issues that did arise were from the local
Australians - who as all migrants have experienced -
did have problems with being accepted at first.

However as Walter Jona, then Victorian State Minister of
Immigration and Ethnic Affairs, stated:

"... the best thing about you Lithuanians is that on the
street you are indistinguisable from ordinary Australians...
and the worst thing...is there are not enough of you."

Dear Steele, Paul and Toni,

Thanks for all your comments.

Dear Steele,

I probably would go "gently into the night" so as not
to upset anybody. I take after my dad in this regard.
Although I'd probably ask for a shot of vodka (Grey Goose)
before I did. Because as Ogden Nash wrote:

"Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker." ;-)

Hi Foxy,

This is not the forum for apologies, its a political forum where at times heated debate will give way to scummy personal insult, and such like behaviour. Its unfortunate, but it happens, as I have said before simply apply the armadillo principle.

This thread is about a personal friend of mine, and I will strenuously defend her from the slanderous comments which has been forthcoming from some.

Pauletc,

Paul wrote: "I see you are not correcting your error concerning the DLP. "

I'm not sure which error Paul refers to but assume its the one where I pointed out that the DLP was disbanded in 1978 and then another organisation was reconstituted in Victoria under the same name later that same year. Paul helpfully noted my error there by pointing out that the DLP was disbanded in 1978 and then another organisation was reconstituted in Victoria under the same name later that same year.

" Nor are you providing evidence of your claim that there was some "ALP mythology" concerning Catholic Church instruction to its parishioners on their voting intentions at the 1964 federal election"

Well it is entirely possible that groups other than the ALP adhere to this myth but generally I've only heard it from Laborites. Since you've also fallen for the myth perhaps you could advise where you first heard it.

"Should I leave you wallowing in your extreme right delusions, or try and educate you. Your choice."

That's the only choice? How about the one where I demonstrate your errors (eg this one or the Pig Iron Bob error) and you kick and scream about being shown to be wrong, but in the future avoid making rookie errors of fact.

"... the best thing about you Lithuanians is that on the
street you are indistinguishable from ordinary Australians..."

Ooh, careful.
That sounds like White favouritism = white nationalism = white supremacy = Nazism = Genocide!

How are you STEELEREDUX...

You know, it's jolly hard to remain irritated by you or what you've said for very long. I think the reasons are, there seems to be far more substance and vigour about you, than I could ever find in another contributor on The Forum. Simply known as our resident 'candy kid'. Furthermore, you don't seem to take yourself too seriously either, which is also most refreshing.

You've inferred over the months, perhaps years, there exists a certain dichotomy between us, to which I'd agree. You might argue the time's precisely 1400hrs and it's daylight. And I say it's night. I don't think you and I would ever find common ground on anything. Nor would we ever permit each other an accommodation on this topic, even though with many issues herein, you know I'm probably right.

The way we're going, it's foreseeable we'll end up in some form of armed conflict, between two widely divergent groups, if we don't stamp out the criminality occasioned by these Black African Youth's running amok down there in Melbourne Town, with their far, far LEFT, Premier Mr Danial Andrews. Someone will eventually die.

Particularly when they allow this Ms Mehreen FARUQI from the highly discredited GREENS, to peddle her inflammatory warnings, to us? Firstly it was Mr Bob BROWN,practising medicine from some remote 'Bush Hut'; then Ms Sarah HANSEN-YOUNG, with her TV (Navy) 'Sea Patrol' to protect our tenuous Borders - don't those sitting in parliament, have to pass some basic IQ test or other?

What precisely are her qualifications anyway to make these predictions? Is she so close to the radicalised components of Australian Islam, she giving us all a legitimate warning? If so, why doesn't she relay her concerns to the proper authorities, especially if she's a loyal Australian, in which she'd have to be, in order to enter Parliament. Or is she but, the first of a series of fifth columnist's to come through? Who'd know?

It seems we all have to ponder our sins for failing to fully agree with Foxy regarding immigration and immigrants...."I think we could all benefit from taking a few steps back...."

You see, in the wonderfully naive world that Foxy inhabits, all refugees should be seen as equally acceptable and desirable for the nation- "..you seem not to acknowledge the contributions made by people like my parents who came to this country as refugees."

You see,in this reading, refugees from eastern Europe, raised in Christian traditions and European values, with a similar heritage and culture to then Australia's are no less likely to integrate and inculcate those values in their offspring than that an immigrant from some god-forsaken village in the Afghan badlands.

Of course, this sweet naivety is somewhat offset by the assumption that anyone who doesn't buy this Disneyfied world-views is merely a racist swine.

Refugees we took in post-WW2 came from a similar culture to our own and had little difficulty in integrating into, accepting and lauding their new home. Even peoples we took in from non-similar cultures like the Vietnamese in the mid 1970s, had been exposed to European culture for decades and the subset we took were from those parts of Vietnam that were most influenced by and accepting of European values.

But taking people from cultures that are alien, and often hostile, to European culture is fraught. That their offspring seem even less accepting of their new home and culture is disturbing.

To be sure, this isn't true of the all such immigrants. Its not even true of the majority. So its easy to find examples of such immigrants who've 'made good'. But importing a peoples where some definable minority are going to be a detriment to the nation is an absurdity.

This isn't racism. If anything its 'culturalism'. Its the thinking that baulks at bringing in Iraqi Islamist but welcomes Iraqi Christians or Yazidi.

We are assured that having many cultures living together brings strength to a society. Historically there's no evidence for that and current experience leaves that assertion questionable.

Shocker,

The quote that I gave you was
said by Walter Jona, the than Victorian
State Minister of Immigration and Ethnic Affairs.

Rapid assimilation was strongly promoted by the
Australian authorities.

Hi there PAULINE1405...

Aren't we so clever to spell 'maggot', you will of course have noticed it has the same number of letters and syllables as the appellation 'coward'? 'Crims', also use several epithets for those who are lacking in; 'ah how should I put it' - lacking in 'daring'; 'Candy Kid'; 'Bush Bunny'; 'Juicy Fruit' and one particularly applicable to you...'treacle arse' (immovably stuck-fast, to your seat whenever there's a sign of trouble).

Ah gee you got me there, with that one, a real body blow - the delineation between the words dementia and demented? I'm metaphorically on the ropes - 'you dope' - ? Do you like that play on words?

I've just returned after a delightful afternoon tea prepared by my dear wife. Now where were we; Which of the above nick names would you prefer I use in describing you? Perhaps not the 'clarinet player', somewhat too unsettling I would've thought. Gee, we don't want our 'Candy Kid' running off making complaints to all 'n sundry, now do we?

Your trouble PAULINE1405, is your fondness in dishing it out, but when it's returned, you go on about it, all girly like, as if your petticoat has been trailed in the mud or something? I don't like the politics of this new Green Senator of yours, Ms Mehreen FARUQI, as far as the lass is concerned, on a personal level I wouldn't pretend to even know her. She may be a very pleasant individual, there again she may well be a shrew, I really wouldn't know - I suspect neither would you with all your fake claims that you know her?

I reckon you're the sort, who likes to make out you know all the major players, by trying to get a handhold anywhere on their garment's, which is all particularly sad really, for you at least?

"Rapid assimilation was strongly promoted by the
Australian authorities."

Rapid assimilation of White people.

Which is why pretending that past immigration ("a nation of [White]immigrants [in small numbers]") has any comparison to today ("a nation of [everything imaginable] immigrants [in huge numbers]") is ludicrous.

And no, I am not quoting YOU personally, I am referring to the popular slogan.

Shocker,

That policy was abandoned in the 1970s.

Good Evening Paul,

I've just read an interesting article about your friend -
Senator Mehreen Faruqi in The Guardian, 15 Aug. 2018.

We're told that "she arrived in Australia from Pakistan in 1992
and forged a successful career as an academic and engineer, working
on improving vital infrastructure across the country."

"Faruqi held leadership roles on major engineering projects,
developing stormwater, recycling, cycling and hydro power
infrastructure. She has a PhD in environmental engineering
(I've got a nephew who's got a degree in environmental
engineering - currently working on a major project in New
Zealand). She led University of NSW's Institute of
Environmental Studies and managed environment and water-related
services for both Mosman - Hastings Councils."\

Impressive background!

"That policy was abandoned in the 1970s."

Yeah, without our consent.

"Impressive background!"

As an engineer.
Not as a social justice warrior with legislative power, whose decisions affect all Australians.

Foxy,
Interesting history of Senator Faruqi but the fact that she ran the Emviromental Studies at NSW Uni and she is a Greens member raises doubts about her 'common sense'.

Time will tell. Surely she cannot be as stupid as the other woman, YAM, that has Engineering quals.

Hi Foxy,

That article is correct, Mehreen has contributed as an Engineer to Australia in a significant way.

Wow, the Demented One, clams to know every copper from the head of the Victorian Police, Commissioner Graham Ashton, down to the former criminal copper Roger Rogerson, most impressive. Not bad for a bloke who after graduating from the killing fields of Vietnam, spent 32 years in the NSW coppers. In all that time he managed to rise from cuntstable to the exalted rank of a Sargent Biko. Wolloper, what was your secret to such a meteoric rise in such a short period of time? Were you sleeping with the Commissioner.

//Your trouble PAULINE1405, is your fondness in dishing it out// Well Wolloper on the 'Woman Mauled by Dingoes' thread where you started this, and you were the instigator, I refrained from having a go back at you. I had sympathy for your claimed poor state of health, due to your claimed onset of dementia, and all the other boohoo things that seemed to beset you. Possibly due to your demented state you cannot recall any of that. I will remind you where you started;

"You know Paul you're a real 'thing', a cowardly low life with as much relevance as used gum stuck on one's sole! Let me remind you, you perverse, sleazy little prick"

Posted by o sung wu, Saturday, 28 July 2018 12:13:44 PM

You continued it on in the 'Victorians Even Safer Now'

"The residual bowel matter, left remaining on the outside of the anal region. Also known as, 'residual PAUL1405' matter."

Posted by o sung wu, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 12:06:18

My reply to you was two words;

"No response."

Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 21 August 2018 12:31:57 PM

cont.

cont,

Since you chose to fire up once more on this thread, my attitude to you has changed.
I thought then you were a sick man, and I still do, but sick in other ways. A manipulative scoundrel no longer worthy of respect or sympathy.

I'm not looking for anything from you or any other poster, just as you lied about Senator Faruqi, I point out to you the lies you continue to propagate regarding so called abuse of you. Find some prior to this thread and post it.

Lads, I'll have to agree Mehreen Faruqi's credentials for problem solving and understanding complex political matters, cannot be compared to your political sweetheart Pauline Hanson. The credentials of the Lovely Pauline; worked as a barmaid at what was the Booval Bowls Club. Hanson then bought a fish and chip shop, where she took on the difficult responsibility of cooking both the fish and the chips, a masters degree in multi tasking, I would say. I suspect she can also chew gum and fart at the same time. Marvellous.

Oh dear dear PAULINE1405...

Getting under you 'thin' skin are we little man, your efforts thus far at rebutting my observations of both your character and your courage, are as insipid as they're minuscule. Should I be grateful that you 'let me off' (sorry I need a little chuckle) you 'let me off' all because you thought I was a sick man? What positively naive idiot you are! Listen you little 'bush bunny' if I were dead I'd still have sufficient brain impulses to take you out, you sad little 'Gamaroucher'.

I don't want you laying in your little cot half the night pondering '...how will I get that lousy copper...'? Gee whiz, you description of Pauline Hansen is all class ah PAULINE1405! Imagine had I offered a contrary opinion of Ms Mehreen FARUQI along similar lines -

Of Ms Mehreen FARUQI '...I suspect she can also chew gum and fart at the same time, marvellous...' You're one mangy friggin' dog aren't you, you gutless aberration of the male genitalia. Sleep well tonight, 'juicy fruit', I'll be waiting come the morning!

Oh, and just a tip; your frustration and anger is not allowing you time to check your syntax and occasionally, spelling - now there's a good 'candy kid', please be more careful in future. In my case I'm poorly educated, thus a 'fools pardon's warranted!

o sung wu,
Insipids only have ridicule & vindictiveness to fall back on whereas normal people have sense & integrity.

Paul1405 is apparently a friend of Mehreen Faruqi originally studying Civil Engineering and from a family of Civil Engineers. It's sad that we haven't been developing our young in the same way as Mehreen Faruqi appears to have been developed by her successful Pakistani family- loosely speaking she benefited from nepotism. We have been diverting our capacity into the education industry- and away from "our children who should be the future of our country"- based on an apparently ideologically left bias and greed from the university sector. We need to use nepotism towards our own too. I'm not saying that Mehreen Faruqi is a successful person in an objective sense (I can't see that her contribution is significantly or uniquely beneficial to Australia). There is a long history of support within migrant families to establish a beachhead in Australia or other countries- some of them do seem to actually contribute beyond their own families or culture in a meaningful way. But this doesn't detract from the rights of historically British Australians to say what happens in our own country. If our culture can't find a way to protect itself through law or otherwise from external forces we, our families, our culture will be wiped from the memory of history. I suspect Mehreen Faruqi represents different interests than those of traditional Australians- she has obtained a foothold in spheres of influence- boots on the ground establishing a perimeter in our home! Are we going to wait for the rest of her army? Are we going to do something about it? Are we going to stop the opportunists??

Do something everyday...

Wolloper,

You seem most upset, your tirade of abuse does indicate that, please watch your blood pressure 300/300 is not good.

Your 32 years of failure in the coppers, did teach you one thing; how to play "good cop, bad cop", except in this case you play both parts. Let me explain, you wheel out your "bad cop" persona to abuse a poster you hate, one of the lefties, not me. Should they come back defending themselves, you then wheel out "good cop" with your insincere platitude of a fained apology. the "with respect, I know you are better than that" etc etc nonsense. All that is simply designed to deflect and defuse any possible criticism of you from the poster you slighted in the first place.

You claimed to have a friend kill himself in Vietnam, and another copper mate blow his brains out, maybe the reason was they had know you for more than five minutes.

I loved your story about your use of land minds in Vietnam. How did it go, you planted a land mind and hid behind a rock until some "baddie" came wandering down the road, then you blew the kid to pieces. Went through his pockets and realized he was a human being after all. Such compassion on your part.

//In my case I'm poorly educated// That is rather obvious, I'll have to agree with that.

Before you jump up and down its land mine not land mind, and for most police it is constable not my typo as in a previous post.

I've adapted American Senator - John McCain's farewell speech
to the American people that we may find useful and inspiring
at this time and in this discussion:

"We weaken our greatness and our country when we confuse
patriotism with tribal rivalries that sow resentment and
hatred and violence. We weaken it when we hide behind
walls rather than tear them down. When we doubt the power
of our ideals, rather than trust them to be the great force
of change they have always been."

"We are 25 million opinionated vociferous individuals. We argue
and compete and sometimes even vilify each other in our
raucous public debates. But we have always had so much more in
common with each other than in disagreement. If only we remember
that and give each other the benefit of the presumption that
we all love our country. We will get through these challenging
times. We will come through them stronger than before.
We always do."

"Do not despair of our present difficulties but believe always
in the promise and greatness of Australia, because nothing is
inevitable here. Australians never quit. We never hide from
history. We make history."

My apologies to Senator McCain. Hopefully we may get some
inspiration from what he said. Australia and her people can
move forward - providing she does not listen to the siren
calls of charlatans, demagogues, and ideologues.

Hi Foxy,

A timely adaption by you of the words of an outstanding human being. As they apply to America, they very much apply to Australia. We should all be thankful such a person lived, but also be thankful that in death their words still resonate with so many. The struggle for fairness and equality for all must continue, if it should stop, the consequences are far too grotesque to even contemplate.

Thank you for that post.

o sung wu,
Don't let the insipids wind you up with hateful rhetoric. Just remember they have nothing but indorctrination (not a spelling mistake) for life experience so, you can't really expect anything of substance based on integrity from these college kids.

Dear Paul,

Sometimes we do need reminding for what it is that we
want to be known for - and what we stand for as a people
and as a country. Thankfully a small minority of" Nay
Sayers" will get even smaller with time and they will end
up on the ash heap of history.

Dear Paul,

You might enjoy this small ditty:

A bit of light-hearted tongue-in-cheek.

"Why I like police officers is because they act so tough
They're often pugnacious and quite often rough
They're people who can't stand losing
Defeat is not their game
They're a force to be reckoned with
They're definitely not lame

Cop, Sarge, Chief, are names by which they're known
They're part of a team, and never alone
Fighting for good causes, for justice, to be free
Fighting for the under-dog
For folks like you and me

And as we drive along the roads,
And their sirens we do hear
We stop and sit and tremble
And try not to show our fear."

FOXY...

Your reiteration of Senator McCain's farewell speech, is good, coming as it did, according to some, from?a 'war mongering' baby killer in Vietnam. But at the same time 'an outstanding human being'? I'm sorry it does not compute?

How can an individual at one minute be complicit in an illegal war, being a war monger, a baby killer...and at the same time, be an outstanding human being? 'Lefties like that disgraceful piece of rancid meat and self confessed coward and 'draft dodger', PAULINE1405 really make me puke!

Foxy, "the ash heap of history" is littered with utopian fantasies that denied reality.

You are an advocate of the most outlandish utopian fantasy of all time.
But it will be different this time?

Dear o sung wu,

Even those that have "sinned" can be forgiven. Like Paul on the road to Damascus, John McCain had in later life reached his personal point of Nirvana. Unlike some who still wallow in the wrongs committed in the past, McCain was able to unburden himself of those shackles and make a positive contribution for the good of mankind. We should all be thankful for that.

//at one minute// fifty years is hardly at one minute although you seem to be trapped in the year 1967 and cannot move on. Yet there is still hope that you too will unburden yourself of past wrongs committed, and reach your own personal point of Nirvana, and become a better human being for it.

o sung wu,

Some lead by example - others by opinions.

Shocker,

"There are winner and losers. Every dystopia is a utopia
for somebody else. It just depends where you are.
Are you in a class that benefits or are you in a class
that does not."
(Ken Liu).

The history of the world proves that when the haves do not
share with the have-nots, the have-nots always rise-up.
We who are the descendents of those who had not, we rose
up to a new life for ourselves and our children, we must
now recognise our challenges and responsibilities. We must
do unto others as we would have them to unto us.

G'day there INDIVIDUAL...

Thank you for your kind support, I will admit his barbs struck it's target in one of his tirades. Where he made an irreverent reference, to a close mate killed in Vietnam, and my former partner who killed himself with his own gun. But hey, that's the way he plays it. Imagine if he'd said it to my face? Well he didn't, and thats that. Lucky for me I guess, but not quite the way he might think?

I do wonder how these blokes back in the conscription days, who wilfully used every ploy available to them, to avoid being conscripted, how they can ever face the male members of their family, particularly those who served during a period of war?

Can you imagine for a moment, the loneliest day in the year for our PAULINE1405? Yup, you got it - ANZAC Day.

Another thing I find intriguing, he lambasts everything and everyone, who took part in the Vietnam war. Yet on the other hand he describes the late Senator McCain as an 'outstanding human being'? Which is it; does he only despise infantry personnel, combat engineers, UH-1B & D pilots, all of whom served over there...or is it just me?

I reckon the answer's plain. He doesn't like anyone to openly reveal & disseminate his level of cowardice, in such a public arena as The Forum. Especially as it was so cunningly obscured, by his effort's to fallaciously and untruthfully claim; he was a bona fide conscience objector?

INDIVIDUAL I'm not sure whether you're aware, there were many consciences objectors who served over there. Some were crewing the regular Dust Off's, bravely putting themselves at risk, clinging to the litters, taking blokes back to 1st Field for emergency treatment. A hazardous duty, and they were never required to fire a shot. Ask me to hang out of a Huey belting along at tree top height, doing about 80 KTAS, while unarmed I'd reckon you'd be mad?

Again, thank you for your support INDIVIDUAL. Though somehow, the Lefties won't allow you to forget it, regrettably.

Foxy "a new life for ourselves and our children"

But not for the entire world.
We don't owe the world anything.

Trying to share limited resources with a never-ending influx will mean *we* end up being the "have-nots".

If you want to improve the lives of others, do it in their own countries, with your own money.

Hey Paul1405,
McCain's a total scumbag, and I for one am glad he's dead.
- He can't do any more harm now.

AKA 'Johhny Wetstart' caused the fire on the USS Forrestal.
AKA 'Songbird' sang like a bird in Vietnam broadcast on Tokyo Rose; - then sold out the other POW's.
(Watch this O Sung Wu)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27BuVXz3Y-I

And that's before we even talk about his support for rebels and terrorists in Syria, Libya and else where, Bulgarian arms factories, illegal weapons shipments that ended up arming ISIS, and that he profits from the wars he helps start.

- And who knows what else in between...

The man was nothing short of the grim reaper.
The planet should literally hold a global celebration in honour of his passing.

Contraire, my dear friend I have a very good ANZAC Day.

Pop into the Redfern RSL some Thursday afternoon about 2pm, and ask for Charlie, say g'day... have a beer, and chew the fat. You could even discuss the Vietnam War.

Here's some background info on Russiagate, for anyone who's interested.
It's a must to watch, you really don't know anything unless you know this stuff.
http://youtu.be/3XjHkeBtFYk
Also here's another interesting video - you need only watch the first few minutes.
http://youtu.be/y25mB7ZX6yY
George said the New York Times has written an article - and confirmed my suspicions which I mentioned about 6mths ago on this forum that Crossfire Hurricane went back way longer than was first thought.
I think it may have been kind of an inactive plan that Hillary was ultimately behind, to help put her in the oval office and that it went back maybe as far as 2008 and Obama.
It was George Webb himself that made me draw this conclusion about a year ago.

Shocker,

Our governments have helped and continue to help others
in their own countries and with our money. However as far
as immigration policies are concerned - some are based
on humanitarian grounds others are based on skilled labour
shortages that are required -
to the growing need of the nation.

All I can respectfully suggest for you and others
who may disagree with the current government policies is -
vote for a party whose policies you do approve of at the next
election.

Hi there ARMCHAIR CRITIC...

I had a look at your citation, as well as listened to Mr M'CAIN'S cell mate, while they were both constrained as POW'S. It's interesting how one group appear to hate the man and deny most of the heroic deeds that he's alleged to've done. While his cellmate, and many others can't speak highly enough of his courage and his leadership of all the POW'S that were incarcerated with him in Vietnam at the time.

My view is, none of us would really know the truth or otherwise of what Mr M'CAIN did or didn't do in his military career, notwithstanding he had a couple of Admirals in the family. Nepotism? However, it would also appear, both the American Government and many of the population believe him, a hero. As such, I can only believe what the US Government has stated as fact, nothing more until any contradictory evidence is forthcoming, proving otherwise.

Foxy, "Our governments have helped and continue to help others
in their own countries and with our money."

No, I said help others with YOUR money, not "ours".
Those are taxes collected supposedly for the betterment of our own nation.

"based on skilled labour shortages that are required - to the growing need of the nation."

The growing need is to find work for the already 700,000 unemployed.
Which would in turn reduce spending on welfare.

"Our money" should be spent training people to have those skills (other countries apparently do).

I don't know much about McCain and don't want to politise the dead which is far more than the low lifes using a funeral to express their hatred. The bitterness of them losing the election has made them very nasty horrible people.

SHOCKADELIC, FOXY & PAULINE1405...

SHOCKADELIC...I suspect you're now experiencing a sense of peace and repose, having been sanctified by our resident guru for everything! FOXY. The lovely lady with two faces. But I should caution you, lest you too be drawn into some of her most conflicting remarks, leaving you in a quandary of which of her two faces you're to believe? I would suggest, until you know her, believe nothing. Even when she (appears) to be with you, she's not? When she's not with you, you're relatively safe.

In fact there's evidence, the dear lady might even have three faces! That's very confusing for a dullard such as I to determine? Our FOXY is an interesting study in contradiction:- But beware, one resplendent in thorns. barbed wire, and razor ribbon?

FOXY or is it LEXI - That's two of your faces, which is the third I wonder?

PAULINE1405...

I give up, what are you going on about now with this nirvana rubbish? Happiness, peace, & tranquility is only available to you in this life nowhere else. Make no mistake when you 'fall off your perch', that's it pal. Either consign yourself to your 6ft earthen billet, or make a reservation for the next available retort at you local friendly Crematoria. When stationed at Redfern, the old RSL behind the Twin Tower buildings was the refuge of the local drunks, you'd be in good company there I reckon. I know you live in the area just a short walk is all.

Shocker,

A few things.

The question of foreign aid doesn't necessarily win votes
as we know but in my humble opinion it is very important
to our future as a nation. Therefore I certainly don't
object the government giving A portion of MY TAXES for this
purpose. We are called by our consciences to assist
developing countries but it is also in our national interests
for us as a trading nation to do so. BTW according to
Tim Costello we're spending less on foreign aid now then we
did under Sir Robert Menzies - even though our incomes are
higher.

http://theconversation.com/factcheck-what-are-the-facts-on-australias-foreign-aid-spending-71146

As for migrants taking away Australian jobs. That is a furphy.
They don't take away jobs - they compliment them.

http://visaaustralia.com.au/work-skilled-visas/migrants-not-taking-australian-jobs/

o sung wu,

You'd have to take your blinkers off to be able to see.

However, at least we're certainly seeing you loud and clear now!

cont'd ...

Shocker,

My apologies for the typo. Here's the second link again.
Hopefully this time it will work:

http://visaaustralia.com.au/work-skilled-visas/migrants-not-taking-australians-jobs/

o sung wu,

One question -

Where does your name come from - and what does it mean?

I'm trying to understand you. After all we're mostly
anonymous on this forum - so why your concerns about
names that people choose to use?

The bitterness of them losing the election has made them very nasty horrible people
runner,
Their vindictiveness knows no bounds in fact that's the only situation they excel in.

Dear o sung wu,

You wrote;

“there seems to be far more substance and vigour about you, than I could ever find in another contributor on The Forum.”

Well imitation is said to be the most sincerest form of flattery. One of my go to lines is to call out the knock-kneed, fearful types who wet themselves at the sight of a burka. I've lost count of how many times I've used the term 'coward' now you seem determined to catch up.

I don't think I have quite travelled the 'if you're not my friend you're my enemy' path that you seem so determined to march along but perhaps I've flirted with it.

You wrote;

“You might argue the time's precisely 1400hrs and it's daylight. And I say it's night.”

If you try and tell me 1400hrs is night then I will tell you you're literally a w@nker and should stop.

You opined;

“Nor would we ever permit each other an accommodation on this topic, even though with many issues herein, you know I'm probably right.”

Well that is the clearest sight of dementia you have displayed thus far. However who am I not to play along with an old war horse even if he is deluded and to affably concede - you are dead wrong.

You rambled a bit;

“The way we're going, it's foreseeable we'll end up in some form of armed conflict, between two widely divergent groups, if we don't stamp out the criminality occasioned by these Black African Youth's running amok down there in Melbourne ... Someone will eventually die.”

Mate this is Victoria not NSW. Do you really think that an all in street fight between a couple of different ethnic groups in your state would result in zero shootings or stabbing? Even worse, just imagine a good proportion of them armed with pistols for self protection as Is Mise wants.

Dear o sung wu,

To continue.

Now to Mehreen Faruqi and her so called “inflammatory warnings”. This is her speech transcript;

http://mehreen-faruqi.greensmps.org.au/articles/mehreens-first-speech

Good luck finding any warnings of any kind.

There are a number of Green MPs that I don't have much time for but I'm happy to acknowledge one I think might have some substance and she has been pretty solid so far.

She and her husband came to Australia in the early 90s and worked bloody hard to make a life here. Did you know he drove taxis for the early months after they arrived. Now among other things he is a major in the reserves. Both seem pretty committed to this country and its values for my mind.

The only 'inflammatory warnings' came from one of our resident s%%t stirrers Josephus.

Dear runner,

You wrote;

“I don't know much about McCain and don't want to politise the dead which is far more than the low lifes using a funeral to express their hatred. The bitterness of them losing the election has made them very nasty horrible people.”

You keep doing this, equating the US election with us. It was not our election it was another country's. We are not American. If you want it so bad why don't you follow your cool-aid dealer Murdoch and migrate. That applies to you too Individual.

Dear Canem Malum,

Really mate?

What drugs are you on?

'murdering our culture' 'establishing a beachhead'?

“I suspect Mehreen Faruqi represents different interests than those of traditional Australians- she has obtained a foothold in spheres of influence- boots on the ground establishing a perimeter in our home! Are we going to wait for the rest of her army? Are we going to do something about it? Are we going to stop the opportunists??”

You are an A grade nutter my friend.

It is fine if you want immigration levels to be eased, I'd be happy to see them halved tomorrow even if it puts us into a recession, but to blather on like some street corner, tinfoiled, dingbat is just ludicrous.

Are you now going to stockpile weapons like this bloke?

http://www.9news.com.au/2018/09/02/05/25/penrith-sydney-nsw-weapon-stash-stockpile-police-prison-guard

This is were these fantasies will lead you. Get a bloody grip.

Hey Foxy,
Why oh WHY do you fall for the Jedi mind trick every time?

"As for migrants taking away Australian jobs. That is a furphy.
They don't take away jobs - they compliment them."

Me: "Pigs fly backwards on their annual migration south"
Foxy: "Okay"

Lets look at the issue on merit.
Every job you give to a migrant, is potentially a job denied to an existing Aussie.
You can't say "We need skilled labour" on the one hand, to justify a need for migrants.
- But then deny an Australian a job due to diversity quotas, which then allows you to boast that migrants are being gainfully employed and existing citizens are lazy.

I'm sick of this 'War on Australians', it has to stop.
It's not just here but every western country.

Everything in the world today is a weaponised social engineering for the New World Order.

I hope you all like the social credit system in China, because its coming here too.

Hey SteeleRedux,
"You keep doing this, equating the US election with us. It was not our election it was another country's."

Did you like when Julia gave the Clinton foundation $150 million for well 'pay to play' I'm guessing.
Do you like it when our country follows US blindly into wars?

What happens there certainly does have repercussions here, probably more than any other nation, and more than most people realise.

I want to defend Calum Malum too,
You can say he's a nutter, you can say I'm a nutter too if you want.
I share his thoughts and concerns, and always have a legitimate basis for why I hold a certain opinion.

Calum Malum isn't wrong in his concerns.
We have the exact same UN social policy for dealing with the issue and we know exactly where that path leads.
You're selling 'Charter Boat' and I'm not buying.
I showed you all the Tommy Robinson tell-all and I compared it to what cops here are doing - I compared it to how Laura Southern had her movement restricted in Lakemba because Police feared she would be attacked by Muslims just for reporting on them.

- In other words we deny her ability to report and we cave in to Islamic pressure.
It's right there as plain as day to anyone who looks, I can add the links if you want...

Whats happening in Europe will certainly happen here.
It's like baking a damn cake - all you have to do is get the recipe and follow the instructions.
Well somebody obviously wants to turn our country into England, Germany, France because we are following the same damn recipe.

As for the Muslim Senator, I've stayed out for now because I didn't hear the full speech, but George Soros may as well have wrote it from the first few lines I heard.
The thing with me is I can't be tricked into going along with a Trojan horse.

Posted by SteeleRedux, Monday, 3 September 2018 9:22:55 PM-

SteeleRedux comment 1- "You are an A grade nutter my friend."

Answer- Thanks for your feedback.

SteeleRedux comment 2- "It is fine if you want immigration levels to be eased, I'd be happy to see them halved tomorrow even if it puts us into a recession"

Answer- At least you are able to admit a reduction of immigration levels to half their current value. I have found your political position somewhat interesting but generally "left"- I have to admit I was surprised you would support immigration reduction. Sadly many people have been drawn to the left due to reframing of "extreme immigration as moderate"- where as those that try to loosely "stop change are labelled as extreme". Perhaps you are one of these people who see themselves as moderate.

Conservatives are in many ways moderates. A number of commenters have noted the inadequacy of the descriptive power of the left right dichotomy. See Political Compass.

Yes I agree with you that it's important to change immigration even at the cost of our economy. Refer- "Sitting Bull- If you give up your land you can't eat money."

SteeleRedux comment 3- "but to blather on like some street corner, tinfoiled, dingbat is just ludicrous."

Answer-
Ludicrous- Yes that's my view of the "Australian immigration policy" and "the irresponsible rewarding of irresponsible population management by India and other Nations" promoted by "Trotskyist International Socialists" who want to destroy the West. The Socialists have been fighting a bitter political war with conservatives for about one hundred years. The industrialists (globalists) generally believe that money solves everything are happy to go along with it because it keeps wages low and increases the market size- theoretically a double win for them.

Every culture should have their own nation. We must fight to keep ours. Local culture should be a priority over Global business- right to self determination.

The world is losing a language every fortnight due to globalization. This is idiosyncratic of the destruction of culture.

Multiculturalism/ Genderism/ Identityism/ Trotskyism are different facets of an extreme ethnocentric movement to destroy culture and create a monocultural unisexual world consisting of two classes of people - academic rulers, dumb workers. One of the main weapons to achieve this goal is using Political Correctness to control Freedom of Speech and destroy Democracy.

Steele, I'm not sure which one is in line to become führer, but if it happens I'm sure he'll sort the other one out in a 'night of the long knives'.

This thread has awakened me once more as to how extreme some posters on OLO really are. If they are not party members of some far right extremist group, then their talents are being wasted. I don't known how well they would go at banging the rostrum at a public meeting, but if they could it would be an asset to the party, the cause and a step in the far right direction.

There is a preponderance of right wing posters on the forum, but the majority of the longer term regulars are simply crusty old conservative men who would pose a bigger threat to their neighbours cat than to the social order.

Although the two potential führer's are full of crap, but its the simplistic believable crap that many are willing to swallow. If they can articulate the crap in a reasonable manner when required then they go a long way towards convincing others.

They should take a leaf out of the 'H' mans book, he was an unbelievably fantastic public orator, he knew when to play the enraged fanatic, but as equally important he knew when to present the image of a calm, even charming, reasonable man, a real life Jekyll and Hyde. I'm not saying these bods are in the same class as the 'H' man, but you never know they could have the potential.

It is leftist ideology that is the cause of the mess yet leftist fanatics such OLO's prime
insipid blame far right extremists.
None are more blind than those who can see & none are more insipid than those wha had education wasted on them.

"Therefore I certainly don't
object the government giving A portion of MY TAXES for this
purpose [ foreign aid]. "

Foreign aid is about poor people in rich countries giving money to rich people in poor countries.

//and always have a legitimate basis for why I hold a certain opinion.//

Dingo's kidneys. You've got a dartboard with a selection of the weirdest conspiracy theories the internet has to offer, at which you fling darts whilst blindfolded to decide what you're going to be upset about this week.

Dear Canem Malum,

“At least you are able to admit a reduction of immigration levels to half their current value. I have found your political position somewhat interesting but generally "left"- I have to admit I was surprised you would support immigration reduction.”

You will find I have been advocating halving immigration levels for quite a while on this forum. I do so with the additional proviso that we double our refugee intake, something I'm absolutely sure you would be against.

The thing is most of the migration increases were driven by big businesses through the Howard government and people like Gina Rienhart continue to push for them. They are not the ones having to cope with congestion, unaffordable housing, and dramatically altering neighbourhoods.

As a former Australian Democrat who had always felt he was smack in the center on most issues but then saw both of the major parties swing hard to the right I suppose I am now of the Left by default.

I have seen manufacturing in this country decimated in the cause of opening up markets for our National Party members, I have seen 457 visas strip the need for apprenticeship places, I have seen the commodification of education drive up the debt of our young and open up pathways to citizenship which are in turn used to justify exorbitant prices to overseas aspirants.

We just see the problem through different eyes. I fully agree the Greens are overusing and abusing the racist mantra toward those who question our current levels. But there are ways of having mature conversations about this issue without a bloody call to arms.

Hi Steele, I agree with your post, its very much my line of thinking. Particularly on the issue of genuine refugees. Its a humanitarian rather than a economic concern, but there is only so much Australia can do, but I believe we can do more.

On immigration, my opinion is, and it is the general consensus from those Greens I have discussed immigration with. We are obviously a pro immigration/refugee party, there is no denying that, and we see no need to do so anyway. The Greens have a detailed 34 point immigration/refugee policy, worth a read, but I wont bore you with links or quotes. The biggest furphy banded about concerning immigration is that the Greens have an 'open door' policy on the matter. NOT TRUE! Like me, most support a sustainable immigration policy, where levels are adjusted to reflect the economic and social well being of the country at the time. If that means a reduction in immigration levels, then a reduction it should be.
One of the misconceptions is that migrants are some homogeneous foreign blob of people with the same aspirations, same abilities, same economic circumstances, same skills, same education level, same everything as each other. That is far from the truth, Australia takes migrants as diverse as we Australians are ourselves.
From an economic point of view we should take Bill Gates (and his money) should he choose to immigrate, but not the entire worlds population of unemployed eighty years old's with no money, should they also choose to immigrate.

Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 4 September 2018 10:08:08 AM-

Comment 1- "You will find I have been advocating halving immigration levels for quite a while on this forum. I do so with the additional proviso that we double our refugee intake, something I'm absolutely sure you would be against."

Answer 1- Well you'll be surprised to know that under Howard I argued for a better system when the quota was 14k for refugees but we were only taking 7k. Later the quota was doubled to about 28k. Effectively it's been doubled twice since Howard. I can't see it being doubled again. Generally I prefer to have refugees helped in situ (but generally difficult when they are forced to evacuate) it's better for their communities and for the stability of those that would take them in. In this way I disagree with the UN and their policy since WWII. There are a lot of problems in the world you see issues where millions of people are being affected and are at risk- we can't help everyone- so a different approach is required. Once you realize that you can't solve all the problems you have to choose which ones to solve. Yes people will die- there are many holes in many boats- we have to choose which boats to save- sometimes we can come up with a solution to fix all of the boats for a while. When I see a refugee situation I try to see what parts of Maslow's hierarchy are missing as part of that group- is it food, security, shelter, community, etc. Military organizations are very good at maintaining functionality even in hostile environments- often it's not so much about money or external factors but by good management. Every culture should have their own nation- whether it's the Ethiopian christians or the Kosavin muslims. Sometimes internal changes in communities cause impacts on neighbours this is a management issue that can lead to conflict. Many religions are expansionist.

While we are trying to solve issues in far away places that have diminishing relevance to us we are neglecting those quiet whispers for help within our immediate surrounds. At some stage I realized that it was more important to try to create a stable environment which protects vulnerable, unlucky, silly, etc from falling too far in our own community. The effort to solve problems needs to be in proportion to the concentric circles that surround us.

Comment 2- "As a former Australian Democrat who had always felt he was smack in the center on most issues but then saw both of the major parties swing hard to the right I suppose I am now of the Left by default."

Answer 2-

Yes most Australian's try to stay in the centre moderate position but they don't realise they have moved to far left socially and far right economically.

Many Conservatives are "Socially Conservative" but "Economically Progressive".

Looking back the time of Democrats was of relative sanity- I remember most of the players/issues with fondness.

Comment 3- "...fully agree the Greens are overusing and abusing the racist mantra toward those who question our current levels. But there are ways of having mature conversations about this issue without a bloody call to arms."

Answer 3-

A good way to shut down debate is to start by calling the opposition "murderers".

I'm surprised you haven't noticed the "call to arms from the left" it's been going on for quite a while. 70's Stonewall movement, iterations of feminism ("me-too" "intersectionalism"), bitter communist/socialism, etc.

Interesting that "Hitler was anti-communist".

Contemporary issues are complex- a Greens party that isn't green, Trade Unions that aren't unions for workers rights, Local businesses have global loyalties, etc. When the wars are fought in the shadows it's an "intelligence war"- the masses need a good flashlight. War creates thieves peace hangs them- but what is war and what is peace. Or as Billy Joel said "we didn't start the fire".

What is different is who is making the call- the earlier it happens the less blood- both ours and theirs.

Paul1405 said "Steele, I'm not sure which one is in line to become führer, but if it happens I'm sure he'll sort the other one out in a 'night of the long knives'."

Answer-

Another Reductio Ad Hitlerum comment from the left.

Anyway...

Night of the long knives for those that don't know- "Hitler verses the Brown Shirts"

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/night-of-the-long-knives

http://www.britannica.com/event/Night-of-the-Long-Knives