A truth can not be ignored voters did not want ultra conservatives in numbers big enough to control the senate doubt that? explain why Hanson has so few

Hi BELLY...

You really didn't address my question? What truth? Too many conservatives? What about too many Labour? Explains why Hanson has so few, does it?

I like you bloke, no honestly I do, but old mate I wonder if a younger you would clutch so tightly to your current views? see you and I play only a minor role in elections, our opinions truly do not matter,well we can,, if we let ourselves,,try to see what voters want and think, question, is there a better way to say what THEY want than in the polling booths? do we have the right to question that? break it down to its true meaning you asked me to explain why in your view,, too many Labor members sit in the senate, AND to find reason so few ultra conservatives do, is that not true? the answer is and always will be in a democratic country voters no one else decide for us who will govern and who will be in opposition I stand by my view one nation proves voters do not in numbers big enough want ultra conservative3s

Hi there BELLY...

I agree with you, there's no place in an egalitarian society like Australia for ultra-conservatives, of which I'm one. Today's voters are more inclined to lean towards the moderates, even the 'Left' to a certain extent, in order they are protected from the tough economic times that are about to confront us all. One thing I'm prepared to predict, when Labour get in next year, they're more then likely to serve out two terms, rather than just the one. By that time BELLY we'll owe, almost a trillion dollars to our creditors?

Sadly through the fault of two dysfunctional governments, the Labour and the Coalition, we'll have amassed so much debt we'll not ever be able to retire it, within the next 20-25 years. From a creditor nation, we'll become a debtor nation and that's the sad legacy we've left for our children. We should be utterly ashamed of ourselves.

Ultra-conservatives (or Conservatives against immigration)- it sounds like an extreme position but "they are the ones that want to keep things the same" or to wind back the clock to when the majors didn't both support immigration policy.

"Conservatives against immigration" are moderates not extremists (their policy is to minimize change to Australian culture).

"Those that want to change Australian society in an extreme way are the extremists." (ie the socialists)

This shifting of the goal posts (of extreme and moderate) is an interesting exercise in deception of the Australian electorate.

To O Sung Wu- I hope you have been well over the last week. I always look forward to your comments.

CM O SUNG WO, well no doubt exists I am from Labor side,even I however am not able to claim all of my party supports my view, a longlife see,s us all change and learn, my life started on the very lost [just as lost as the far right] left,I now firmly fit in to the right of my party, that in my view, places me in the center of politics,my aversion to the extremes on both sides is not going to change, and my understanding from time to time we need from both sides, reforms the senate in my view, like everything involving politics, must be reformed much more than it recently was,while ever smartys can swap preferences from micro parties that install another headless chook in the chook pen we are made fools of