Well the global warming scammers were right about one thing. It is worse than we thought. Their problem was they got the sign wrong. It is cooling more rapidly than even the real scientists expected as the sun spots disappear.

In my 26 years here, propagating & growing advanced hibiscus for the landscaping trade we have never had more than 4 consecutive frosts. This year we have had only one frostless morning in the last 36 days. Yes I have daily records for 26 years.

The result of today’s frost is really shocking. We have had a few -4 minimums in the past, but never before after 28 consecutive frosts. This morning along with many other local natives, the local red gums have collapsed. 20+ metre high trees, never before frosted have suddenly collapsed. Even Silky oaks, & the scrubby grevilleas along the river have been hit.

But don't believe just me fellers. My dairy farmer mate, a couple of miles down river has never seen it this bad. One of the original scientific farmers, born on his farm 84 years ago, his records of high/low temperature, humidity & rainfall go back 62 years.

The planet must have a sense of humour, & is about to poke fun at our global warming scammers. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

Dear Hasbeen,

This is pretty easy mate, what is your closest weather station so we can verify your claims. Shouldn't be too much of an ask.

Next I would like to ask what kind of rank aversion to reality allows you to ignore things like the record temperatures and horrific fires in Europe, the record temperatures in NSW?

"NSW, including Sydney, has had a relatively dry and hot year so far. At Observatory Hill, near the CBD, maximum temperatures were 2 degrees above average for the January-June period, second only to 2016, according to the Bureau of Meteorology. Statewide, daytime temperatures have been 2.38 degrees above the norm, half a degree warmer than the previous record set a year earlier."
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/bushfire-season-early-nsw-dry-weather-20180723-p4zt4l.html

Wilful ignorance is one thing but having your politics so abuse your reality has now become a pathology.

Grow up mate, you really are an embarrassment.

Every word I write here while chuckering at hasbeens lurch away from reality is my true thoughts, it stuns me just how many got on board to fight on behalf of a very real conspiracy, by the owners of fossil fuels even petroleum, products, made to stall change, as a by produce that conspiracy even with weekly hottest wettest weather , is to tell us no climate change is taking place, if any debate is needed it is in two parts, is it man made or not, and how did the self interest lobby manage to fool so many?

Here is Hassy proving his temperature nonsense. Hassy's wearing the hat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2_kQ1Bf1js

Hasbeen you should know that it has never been about facts with the warmist. Its all about saying a lie often enough in order for people to accept it as truth. Same tactic the evolutionist have used knowing their idiotic narrative has no real science to back it.

Very easy request from Steele, Hassy, Just post what is your closest weather station so we can verify your claims.
Nothing like checking on your chook yard weather readings, and don't forget the 84 year old bloke down the road for a bit of extra "scientific" fact.

Dear Hassie,

I don't think that you will deny that our planet has
a finite amount of resources, or that it can tolerate
only a limited amount of pollution.

Therefore thinking logically if our world's population
continues to grow rapidly, if industrialisation continues
to spread around the world, and if pollution and resource
depletion continue at an increasing rate - something's got
to give. And we need to ask ourselves - where is human
society heading? At the very least - massive changes await.
Changes which may include rising sea levels due to the melting
of the polar ice caps, as well as an increase in occurrence
and severity of storms and other severe weather events.

Should we ignore what scientists are warning us. Scientists
who globally are carrying out global warming research - and
what they are finding? I guess it's your choice.
However, you're not alone in this. Galileo was put under
house arrest by the Vatican for saying that the earth moved
around the sun. In fact, in 1633 the church made him recant
his theory of the universe.

So today, we see that new ideas instead of being welcomed for the
opportunities they open up for the improvement of the human lot,
are threats to those with vested interested who are confronted
by scientific facts. Nothing new here.

main problem is Hassie that the fraudsters have already won in pushing up electricity prices astranomically where many in cold places can't afford suitable heating. Unfortunately their silly little games are sending the nation down the toilet economically. Most of the swamp sit in tax payer funded air conditioning half the time not even bothering to turn off lights.

Whee, the useful idiots are swarming this morning.

Facts are useless when talking to idiots & lefties.

Come, come, Hassie, just give us the name of your nearest Weather Station, so we can check your chook yard weather records. Seems rather fair.

The increased volumes of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse
gases released by the burning of fossil fuels, land clearing,
agriculture, and other human activities are believed to be
the primary sources of the global warming that has occurred
over the past 50 years.

Scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on climate
carrying out global warning research have recently predicted
the average global temperatures could increase between 1.4 and
5.8 C by the year 2100.

As mentioned earlier changes resulting from global warming
may include rising sea levels due to the melting of the
polar ice caps, as well as an increase in occurrence and
severity of storms and other severe weather events.

Time will tell who's right - the scientists or the deniers?

It's interesting to remember that in Australia in 2006,
leading climatologists with our country's pre-eminent
public research organisation,CSIRO, were forbidden by the
organisation's management from publicly discussing the
implications of climate change. Management was acting on
behalf of the government. And Australia is one of the
standout countries in terms of human development status.
It is not corrupt. Its science is world class. None of this
mattered.

In 2006, the Australian Government's position was to cast
doubt on global warming and refuse to enter into UN agreements
such as the Kyoto Protocol. With the release of the Stern
Report on climate change, the Australian Government's
position changed. Yet the Prime Minister remained half-hearted
about a commitment to counter-global warming. Little had
changed as history has shown us over hundreds of years when
ignorance and vested interests are confronted by scientific
facts.

New ideas, instead of being welcome for the opportunities they
opened up for the improvement of the human lot, were threats
to those who had become comfortable in their ideologies.
Nothing changes for some. Do they still believe the earth is
flat?

Hasbeen! you know I never disliked you, at times shake my head at some truly weird comments, and yes a certain bigoted view that others who dare to have an opinion different than yours are? well read slowly your last post here,RUOK? hope so, but if we all thought like you? mate! when everything you have to say ends up insulting others? RUOK? sometimes that is all we can do. at this point I found myself putting an insult in but removed it, because it is the right thing to do my regards bloke

Dear Hasbeen,

You claim;

“Facts are useless when talking to idiots”

True but none the less I was determined to try which is why I gave you a quote which included verifiable facts.

All we are asking is for you to allow us to do the same. Why are you so uncomfortable about sharing your nearest weather station so we can ascertain whether your assertions have any basis in fact.

Just name the bloody station or else we can properly judge your claim as the usual dribble that comes from your keyboard.

Foxy Foxy, the IPCC has been proven totally wrong on every thing it has forecast. It is a political organisation of the disgustingly corrupt United Nations, & it's advice for planners totally ignores it's own scientific rather doubtful findings.

There is so much scientific research available now that totally disproves all the garbage attributed to CO2 that you can no longer consider yourself a researcher if you don't bother to go & look at it.

Yes I know it would hurt, as you would have to conclude you have been lied to all these years. In fact CO2 in displacing water vapour in the atmosphere has a cooling effect over all. Perhaps that is why the planet has, to the extent anyone can tell, been cooling for the last few years.

As the sun spots disappear, we will go into something like the Dalton Minimum, or even a little ice age.

Hang onto your hat kid, it is going to get cold.

Dear Hasbeen,

You wrote;

"In fact CO2 in displacing water vapour in the atmosphere has a cooling effect over all."

What? Where on earth did you pull this little gem from? Hell mate you are making this stuff up now. Time to stop.

Hasbeen,
Temperature records are often being broken. Those for high temperatures are being broken at twice the rate of those for low temperatures, but you seem to think that one record for low temperatures is sufficient to disprove global warming!

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SteeleRedux,
I think Hasbeen learned about the existence of the scientific paper showing higher CO2 concentration reduces the amount of water vapour entering the atmosphere by transpiration, then he put 2 and 2 together and made 22.

maybe we should have a like button? steelredux would get one from me it is hugely funny watching hasbeen try to tell us black is white and white well may be yellow

News Flash from Hassie; "My nearest WEATHER STATION is the old bloke down the river whose been milking cows scientifically for the past 84 years.

Come on Hassie, if you don't name your nearest weather station so the real facts of your claim can be checked, just have to accuse you of telling another one of your porkies.

Come on stop attacking the person and start posting current science research on the facts, rather than media dogma.

josephus I tender the weather records here and in every country in the last ten years as evidence the climate has changed

Hasbeen,

I don't doubt that you've got data that suggests there's been a cooling. But you ought to remember that one data point is just one out of 1000's and therefore doesn't mean much.

I similarly have data showing a cooling in my local region. Nine years ago, a local man who'd kept data for over 40 yrs and used to publish it in the local paper, asked for someone to take over the database since he was headed to a retirement home out of the region. When he handed his hand-written papers over to me he broke down in tears.

I digitalised the data and kept it up to date. As is my want I've analysed the data and compared it to the data at the closest official site. The official site shows a small warming trend whereas my data shows a non-significant cooling. Both are probably right. I'd suggest the same for your data.

All official databases both terrestrial and satellite show a warming and I accept that. The issue is how much warming and what was the cause.

Again most experts accept that some part of the warming was caused by CO2 increases. Again the question how big was that part.

My own evaluation is that the total warming since 1850 or so is about 0.7c and that about half of that is down to CO2, the other half being down to a natural recovery from the Little Ice Age.

The real question is how much more warming will come, how much higher CO2 levels will climb (they are currently rising by about 1/2 of 1%per yr). The likely answer to those questions in my view and based on the IPCC RCP4.5, is that we'll have a warming over the next 80 yrs of around 0.8% due to CO2.

I'd urge you to continue to keep your personal database and make it known to any conscientious personnel at your local official site. I did it with my data and am assured that it is indeed used by those people to verify and compare their own data

Foxy,

"Scientists from the [IPCC] ...predicted
the average global temperatures could increase between 1.4 and
5.8 C by the year 2100."

Nup. (1) the IPCC does not make predictions. They are very anxious to point that out. The make projections based on various scenarios that are collectively called RCP (Representative Concentration Pathways).

(2) the numbers you mention for projected temperature are way way out of date. The most recent projections from AR5 are for an increase of 0.3 to 4.8 degrees Celsius.

(3) the higher figure is based on the RCP8.5 scenario where CO2 levels reach 1250ppm by 2100AD. But current levels are 410ppm and are rising at the rate of 0.5%pa. I doubt you'd find any reputable scientist who'd agree that CO2 will reach 1250ppm by 2100AD. The IPCC continues to use RCP8.5 only for backwards compatibility purposes. Others such as yourself use it because it yields the scariest results and scary is better than true, n'est pas?

"Time will tell who's right - the scientists or the deniers?"

Well the contest is between scientists and other scientists. Dispute what you've clearly chosen to believe, there are very large numbers of scientists out there who don't buy the scare. (Queue those who've fallen for the 97% rubbish).

" resource depletion continue at an increasing rate"

There is no resource depletion. There's never been resource depletion. We've never run out of even one resource. Resources such as fossil fuel are now more plentiful than ever before.

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In a previous thread you got all high and mighty because you claimed that someone saying 'final solution' was a clear and unacceptable reference to the Holocaust. The 'denier' tag was originally intend and used to compare sceptics to holocaust deniers. But I guess its different when you do it, eh?

ouch truth hurts Mhaze

what is your closest weather station so we can verify your claims.
Steele Reedux,
Don't you mean dispute his claims ? Verifying would mean agreeing & that's something they're not agreeable to for obvious reasons.

How typical of ratbag greens. I offer a complete 62 year record of actual readings, one that had not been "CORRECTED" a dozen times by activists at the BOM. One that has been taken in the same unchanged spot, in the same way, not converted to 1 second electronic readings to inflate the result, & the clowns try to downgrade it, because the recorder milks cows.

I add to that the evidence on the ground, gathered by someone for whom actually understanding the evidence was critical, & not just a job.

I have said before it is a waste of time talking to a waste of space. Even my mother knew there are none so stupid as those who don't want to know.

Show me one forecast, call it projection if you like, from the IPCC that has not proven totally wrong, & I'll be all eyes & ears.

Yes I was stupid enough to believe the academic scammers years ago, until I did the math required. It didn't take that long, when looking with open eyes to see the truth. Come on Foxy, give it a go. Do what you are trained to do, research facts, not media dogma.

The displacement of water vapour paper was Japanese research about 4 years ago. It has since been confirmed by German, & Swedish research, but the clowns have to sneer because their ideology can't handle the truth.

It is obvious that a couple of scam pushers here know the truth, but it suits their income source & politics to promote the scam. Well fellers, have fun, but those lazy damn sunspots are about to spoil your fun.

Given about 4 years, as the cooling bites, people like Steely will be pushing CO2 as the devil causing it. They will use another name, as their current one will be totally discredited.

That by the way is a forecast, not a projection, & incidentally, if the ratbag green cap fits, don't blame me, youre the one ewearing it.

Dear individual,

You wrote;

“Don't you mean dispute his claims ? Verifying would mean agreeing & that's something they're not agreeable to for obvious reasons.”

Not at all. Hasbeen claimed; “This year we have had only one frostless morning in the last 36 days.” If the nearest weather station showed 35 in 36 days with overnight temperatures below 0 degrees then I would be more than happy to state that his claims were verified.

Dear Hasbeen,

You say “The displacement of water vapour paper was Japanese research about 4 years ago. It has since been confirmed by German, & Swedish research, but the clowns have to sneer because their ideology can't handle the truth.” but then don't provide a link.

This comes down to the old adage, put up or shut up.

Hassie what is preventing you putting up the name of your nearest weather station, as Steele has requested. They may well support your claim. For all we know you may be located in Antarctica, and the Morson Weather Station will back you up.

I challenge you to actually do some research Steely for yourself. Follow your nose through the recent stuff & If you are a genuine believer in global warming you will be shattered by what you learn.

What on earth gives you the idea that a weather station 23 kilometres away will give a result even similar to here? You obviously are a city boy, with not much idea of temperature variability.

Just to try to educate you a little, I live behind, [west of] a coastal mountain. Just 1.5 kilometres away mangoes will grow & fruit. They do not survive here. They also don't survive at the nearest weather station.

I am on a slope, a 21 Metre fall in 400 Metres to the top of a river bank. At around midnight the difference between the house paddock temperature & the river bank is over 3 C. Which temperature would you prefer?

I gather you are still naïve enough to believe our BOM on temperature. Surely you are kidding, or are a fellow traveller. I have given you the opinion of the native vegetation, a damn sight more trustworthy than any bureaucrat or BOM staff today.

Give Graham your email address for me to contact, & I'll even let you come & see for yourself, on one condition. You admit publicly to what you see. If you are genuine the condition of a hundred trees on my place, never before frosted will prove the point. The thousands in the district seal the fact.

There you are, if you are genuine.

Dear Hasbeen,

Of course I believe in the standardised BOM records and put far more faith in them than the part timers out there collecting their own data no matter how earnest they are.

As to your trees the claim you made was having had “only one frostless morning in the last 36 days”. I accept that you may have some frost impacted trees but that will hardly validate your claim. If you ever did want to contact me though I have a gmail account with my user name here as the prefix.

Lastly I certainly have done my research of Climate change and fully accept the science behind it. Just as with any scientific field there will be those who will overly emphasise certain areas to suit agendas. However on the whole it is very robust and deserving of consideration.

Now are you going to let us know your nearest weather station?

Hasbeen,
What was this Japanese research paper 4 years ago? What was this German and Swedish research that confirmed it?

Have you actually read the paper itself? A report of it in a reputable publication? Or did you just read it in a blog post?

Considering how climate change deniers are so eager to pounce on any findings that appear to support their predetermined conclusions, it's astounding that this hasn't been much better publicised - except of course if its conclusions are not what you claim them to be.

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SteeleRedux,
Why this tedious obsession with Hasbeen's nearest weather station? The readings from a weather station 23km away and at a different altitude has little if any bearing on his claims.

He thinks he has information that invalidates the theoretical basis of global warming, and yet you're obsessing over trivia!

Lets agree global warming is taking place all over the planet, except in Hassie's backyard.

>Lets agree global warming is taking place all over the planet, except in Hassie's backyard.

No, Paul, let us acknowledge that global warming doesn't preclude, and may even result in, the cooling of some locations.

Dear Aidan,

My persistence is because in all my years of dealing with Hasbeen the times he makes assertions of fact with actual numbers attached (that are able to be assessed even at a distance) are very rare indeed.

Global cooling touters often retreat to the 'local' when they feel under siege and we all know the supposed events on his property are hardly proof that Global Warming does not exist as he implies, but this is about treating his claims with the same skepticism he directs at the hard working folk at the BOM.

I'll bet steely still thinks stress is the cause of stomach ulcers too.

Nice obedient bureaucrats "believe" what they are told to believe.

Hasbeen,
Stress is a contributory cause of stomach ulcers. I presume by now everyone knows they're caused by bacteria, but what's not as well known is that many people without stomach ulcers also have those bacteria in them.

Dear Hassie,

Here are just some health problems related to stress:

Heart disease - high blood pressure and heart problems

Asthma

Obesity

Diabetes

Headaches

Depression and Anxiety

Gastrointestinal problems

Alzheimer's disease

Just to mention a few.

Dear Hasbeen,

And the country's most wealthy mining magnate spent millions having the IPA tell you what you needed to believe. You haven't just swallowed it hook, line and sinker but the whole bloody boat as well.

Well, what do you know, it's not just me or my place.

From a news report.

There’s a surprising number of unexpected snows occurring this summer in the northern hemisphere, here’s a compendium of news reports and video from Montana, Wyoming and Idaho, as well as Germany, Austria, Italy, and Slovenia.

What out global warmers, those sun spots have gone on holidays, & the cold coming to get you.

Hasbeen,
Your writings are those of a conspiracy theorist. Much to say, but very little of value.

Sunspots: come and go on an eleven year cycle.

Global warming basic science developed by Hershel, Fourier, Tyndal and Arrhenious (poor spelling) in the 1800s. Disprove their work if you can.

Global warming measured with averages. What your records say of of no value in AGW discussions.

Massive droughts in Australia - no comment from you, and I guess, no concern.

Uncontrollable fires in the Arctic, Sweden.

Over 500 fires in British Columbia causing massive pollution in Alberta.

70 or more fires in Great Dividing Range, in winter! Many not contained a week or so ago.

Pacific Islanders, suffering impacts from AGW, criticising Australia for doing so little to reduce emissions.

War in Syria initiated by long drought in Euphrates Valley.

IPCC projections not accurate. AGW much worse than predicted.

Glaciers disappearing in Canada, massive drought and fires in Calfornia. And much, much more.

You apoear to have no concern for the many millions being impacted by CC.