Conservative, Professor James Allan, reckons "Mid to long term, voting for Labor is best for right of centre voters in this country, however hard to swallow it may be”. As a Turnbull hater, that’s what he did at the last election, he says. It’s all about putting up with Labor to get rid of Turnbull ready for the election after the coming one.

I can’t stomach that, so I will be writing ‘none of these’ on the lower house paper, and going for Australian Conservatives in the senate.

The best thing about the by-elections is that the Greens went even further down, and One Nation went up.

Well still shop like I am in the bust, every two weeks, ABC radio this morning in my view highlights why we are seeing a decline in big two first preference votes,every Liberal who came to comment said the same thing *this was never a test for the government*how many truly think that? Turnbull is both being pushed and pulled over his high end tax cuts Abbott never to rise again, says dump them others demand they be kept,like the Tasmanian poker machine thing, at this time such cuts are bad policy vote loss policy,Turnbull if his party had the courage, being replaced, policy direction changes,could make a return more likely or the loss lesser

The media has noted that Turnbull reacted to his by-election drubbing in the same way he reacted to his near loss in the last federal election - by blaming everyone but himself. No recognition that he betrayed the Coalition by being the most Left wing leader ever; no recognition of his betrayal by signing up for the Paris Accord (no, it was not Tony Abbott); no recognition that his Left wing policies on climate change have put electricity prices through the roof; no willingness to address the majority’s concern about mass immigration, and so on.

How could Shorten be any worse? The only real difference, we have kidded ourselves, is ‘the boats’. Well, in government, Turnbull has proved that he cannot be trusted on anything else, so can we be confident that he can be trusted to stick with Abbott’s boat policy if there is something personal in it for Turnbull? Remember, Turnbull’s government has been complicit in a compact that would hand our borders over to the United Nations. How can we believe Dutton’s protestations that Australia won’t sign up to something they helped set up?

This selfish, self-absorbed man is a disgrace who has put Australia in peril and treated us with utter contempt. He will go down in history as the worst Prime Minister ever: quite a feat after McMahon, Fraser, Gillard and Rudd

To Ttbn - The reason Turnbull is moving towards the Paris accords is because his "backers" want him to. What I've seen about Dutton he's doing ok. The problem with politics is the parties need money to get things done- and the people giving the money also want things done...
Democracy is loosely based on the "principle of distribution of power"- Westminster system/ levels of government/ upper and lower houses- the problem is when companies especially multinationals use money, etc to get what they want- it causes "centralization of power". Aristotle talked at length on Tyranny, Oligopoly, Democracy in The Politics. This is a flaw in modern democracy that tends to tyranny

Voters are weary of the constant schoolyard insults both sides throw at each other too of the determination to support one of their own who is clearly wrong, can we not see such stuff supposes voters are not intelligent enough to see the truth? where are the nation building policies? not the tax cuts health cuts but some thing grand like the Snowy River was? say turning some rivers inland? look closely at any party and tell me currently the main policy seems to be feeding division not popular wants and needs, but most importantly watch as the primary vote continues to sink