Belly,

"...and here the debate should be about the rights of gun victims first"

Do you think that gun victims should have had the chance to defend themselves or are you of the same mindset as the Greens and prefer them to be death statistics to further the cause of gun control?

Is Mise,

Thanks to our gun control laws our cities
are much safer than those of the US.

And as police reports and FBI stats in the
US show - gun-owning households are much
more likely to suffer fatalities from their
own weapons than from outsiders.
One study found that only a small percentage
of all slayings in gun-owning
households were for self-protection; the
remainder were suicides, homicides, or
accidental deaths, almost all involving
family members, friends or acquaintances.

The reason given for the proliferation of
handguns in the US is the belief, deeply
held by many Americans, that gunownership
is an individual right. For granting this
liberty to the individual, American
society today is paying the price - especially
by those who abuse this right.

We certainly can learn a lesson from that.

I posted a statistic a few weeks ago that came from America, that more people were saved by people having possession of a gun than people killed by crazies with guns. Not one person commented on that.

People should have the right to defend them self and others.
Australia is becoming more violent by the year.

Foxy,
As your memory seems to be as poor as your grasp of logic, here's what you said,
"drunks, druggies, road accidents, don't necessarily kill.
Guns do."

But guns don't necessarily kill either, and some guns (that are classified as lethal weapons in Australia) could only kill if used as bludgeons.
Haven't you heard of being missed by a shot or of being wounded?
What you said in effect, in your poor English, was that guns necessarily kill.

Is Mise,

You're Irish aren't you?

Issy, 100% of people who jump off the gap die. Does jumping off the gap, like car accidents, make guns safer? When you have no defence for one terrible nasty, you point out some other unrelated nasty, and that supposedly mitigates the nasty you agree with. Strange logic.

ttbn, making up another porky trying to discredit the Greens. Fake news? Corny Banana wants to give loaded guns to five year old's.