Toni,

"//In a gun club, as in the police force, when the Commissioner says "Jump!", the only question is "How high?"//

A Commissioner's permit does not require a gun club to admit anybody they don't want to. It just waives P650 requirements. You are talking bollocks."

If I'm talking bollocks then I'm in good company.

The Attorneys Generals, Commonwealth and State, are looking at the matter, according to the newspapers, and they haven't yet said anything about the gun clubs, but they have had a lot to say about the Family Court and the lack of exchange of information with the various police forces.

o sung wu spoke wisely about this (pp.13-14.).

Only that well known anti, Adjunct Professor Phillip Alpers NAQ (NZ), NDQ (Aust) has mentioned the clubs, and then only in passing.

This topic is one of the most emotive, I've ever seen, since coming onto OLO half a dozen years ago; worse with such sad consequences.

There's nothing inherently wrong with our current licensing legislations. Like anything, it's not foolproof, and when cracks occur, occasionally things just happen to fall through those cracks.

The fault here (no doubt the Coroner will invariably tease out *ALL*of the facts) seems to be, this bloke was issued with a Commissioners Permit, when clearly he shouldn't be trusted with anything. The Commissioner or his delegate who issued the Permit, will have many probing questions to answer, all of which will be under oath!

The SSAA Pistol Club at St Mary's admitted this EDWARDS as a member, when other Clubs declined to do so. Why?

There's no doubt in my mind, this individual had a successful business, as evidenced by the two dwellings he allegedly 'owned', on the upper North Shore of Sydney, a well to do area. It follows, with success, (generally) comes money, and with money comes influence.

Was that 'influence' employed in such a manner, as to become such a powerful form of leverage; for him to obtain his Commissioner's Permit?

What was the elapsed period of time; from the moment EDWARDS physically received the Commissioners Permit, until he actually took possession of the .357mag Revolver and 9mm Pistol. Was it hours, days, weeks, months even? And was he furnished with a quantity of ammunition at the same time he received the two handguns from the SSAA Club?

Another puzzling issue - what was meant when it was stated, EDWARDS had no 'contemporary' criminal history?

There's a stench emanating from the executive floors of police HQ, with many question marks still hovering about their heads?

Like the Lindt Cafe Siege, there are still many unanswered questions remaining?

o sung wu,

"The SSAA Pistol Club at St Mary's admitted this EDWARDS as a member, when other Clubs declined to do so. Why?"

Why indeed, possibly because they thought that the Commissioner knew more than they did and that the Permit was an expression of the Commissioner's confidence in Edwards and also an expression of how he wished Edwards to be treated.
One can only assume that the Commissioner's Delegate informed the Boss of what he was doing regarding Permits and why.

As you say, a lot will come out at the Inquest.

G'day there IS MISE...

Indeed there will. The Coroner will no doubt extract all the evidence germane to this bloke getting two handguns, ammo, and a Commissioner's Permit. There's a real stench surrounding this whole business with the issuance of the Commissioner's Permit?

Issy, everything you say is oozing with supposition and conjecture.

Possibly Commissioner Flick, got on the blower to the Chief Gunnie Freak down at St Mary's and demanded his good buddy Johnny be given gold plated club membership or "I'll be down there slappen the cuffs on ya before you can shout stitch up!"

You blokes are insinuating that there was some kind of undue influence exerted by unnamed persons on the St Mary's Gun Club to get Edwards membership.

"//In a gun club, as in the police force, when the Commissioner says "Jump!", the only question is "How high?"//

If the Police Commissioner is exerting influence (jump) through intimidation (how high) then that smacks of corruption and he should be prosecuted. The bad old days where coppers acted outside the law, and got away with it, because they could, are well and truly over. If a copper today thinks he's something special and can act as he pleases. Well we have news for him, when caught his career is shot and in some very serious instances he can expect to be on the wrong side of the bars quick smart. The parties over boys.

Please explain the ramifications if one fails to jump when the Commissioner barks jump!

//There's nothing inherently wrong with our current licensing legislations. Like anything, it's not foolproof, and when cracks occur, occasionally things just happen to fall through those cracks.//

Well howdy doody, we've had a couple of things (kids)fall through the cracks

There is something inherently wrong with a system that allows a murderer to legally obtain a gun licence, then as a consequence of that licence obtain a gun, and proceed to murder his two innocent children!

Steele can you believe these guys? I'm sickened.

Paul,

Grow up, please.

"There is something inherently wrong with a system that allows a murderer to legally obtain a gun licence, then as a consequence of that licence obtain a gun, and proceed to murder his two innocent children!"

There would be a lot wrong with a system that allowed a murderer to obtain a gun licence, but we have seen no evidence of that.

As I said to OSW, the issuance of a Commissioner's Permit would indicate to club officials that the Commissioner knew more about Edwards than they did and that to grant him membership was OK.

Remember that the club officials have no investigatory powers whereas the Commissioner has a whole police force.

What happened to the police investigation, when he applied for a Licence and when he applied for a Permit to Purchase?

It'll all come out in the Inquest, meanwhile sleep the peaceful sleep of the Ambulance Chaser.