' Nobody is proposing open borders, runner, just not separating children from their parents. Now who's being dishonest?'

come on Tony if time wanted any crediblity now would now acknowledge their hatred of Trump and apologise because he has changed what was happening over Obama's watch. You don't have to act so dumb. Do you really think the Hilary tantrum throwers are really concerned about kids. Just like Triggs their timing says otherwise.

runner,

If I were you I would slowly back away from
this debate. Your credibility is shot and
you're grabbing at straws by bringing other
issues into - like Hilary Clinton. What
you have to deal with is your own conscience.
You a self-proclaimed Christian who's so
adamantly been anti-abortion on this forum -
pro saving the lives of unborn babies - yet
when it comes to live children - your stance
has changed in support of the current US
President. Sorry - don't get it!

BTW - criticisms of Trump and his policies
- doesn't equate to - hatred of the man. Same as
criticism of Israeli policies don't equate to
anti-Semitism. There is a difference.

//if time wanted any crediblity now would now acknowledge their hatred of Trump and apologise because he has changed what was happening over Obama's watch.//

Well for once you've got something right. Trump did indeed change what was happening before he took the reigns.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/06/23/trump-obama-administration-separate-families-immigration/728060002/

And now he's changed it back again.

http://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/us/politics/trump-immigration-children-executive-order.html

//Do you really think the Hilary tantrum throwers are really concerned about kids.//

I think the vast majority of people are concerned about the mistreatment of children, runner. Even Trump supporters - a lot of them are not monsters, just misguided. Although apparently you are not one of that vast majority people.

Sorry to ruin the fun of Trump-haters, but it has just come to light that the 'caged' children photos are a relic from the Obama era in 2014. Not that the Reds will believe it, of course, but it's a nice one for those of us on the sensible Right.

There's a big difference in what happened under former
President Obama and what's happening under the current
Trump administration.

President Obama's administration was
about re-uniting children with their parents. President
Trump's administration has a policy to separate
children from their parents. There's a big difference
between the two administrations.

In 2014 there was an influx of unaccompanied minors
who showed up at the border, fleeing violence from
Central America. The Obama administration was trying to
move these children as fast as humanely possible
and connect them with their parents. They succeeded in
80% of cases. These kids were re-united with their
parents and allowed to stay in the US.

Nobody knows who released these old photos. An intelligent
guess will do. However, the truth will always out.
So better luck next time.

FOXY...

I have again re-read my second paragraph that I'd directed to BELLY. For your benefit - I never suggested any of them are dangerous - I wouldn't know, nor would anyone else, Including you FOXY. I then went on to describe; as a returned soldier, you never assume anything. Even children are more than capable of perpetrating harm to others.

Whereas you FOXY, you delight in quoting from various experts, or the 'faked' News Media. And in doing so you're merely quoting a particular author's opinion, nothing else.

I guess you should be forgiven, working as you did in the closeted environment of a library. I'm sure you would've amassed a load of knowledge while there, together with your ten years living in the United States. However does any of this confer, some special mastery or proficiency of world events? Clearly no. Save for access to your passion for research. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Knowledge while essential in our daily lives, is useless unless there's a boat load of inquiry & pragmatism added thereto. Often we acquire pragmatism through our experiences, and its that experience that often endows wisdom. And it's wisdom that helps us to understand and successfully travel through our lives.

Regrettably FOXY, I've come to believe, regardless of your immense knowledge on many matters, you're parochial through your 'Left' learning politics and lack of circumspection on the veracity and quality of much of the data and material that you proffer as being unerringly accurate and correct.

To acquire knowledge in any field, one must study. But to acquire wisdom, one must first observe. A quaint saying from some erudite lady of the last century.

In conclusion, most of your assertions are theory based. You've not had the opportunity to see much of the evil, seething side of mankind, and the heinous atrocities they're capable of doing. I'm sorry FOXY you've allowed your 'Left' leaning politics to colour your judgement once too often I reckon?