Well folks - so much for Freedom of Speech.

ALTRAV has so beautifully illustrated the points
that I've been trying to make. He's stated -

"I don't care for your attitude therefore for me
to not only make my point I must do something to
stop you from persisting. The first line is to
abuse, the next is to abuse with a louder and more
aggressive delivery - if none of this resolves the stand
off we then resort to a damn good physical delivery.
That is the reality of life and humans."

No, that is the reality of a bully and a coward.

Real men don't do that. Abusing others and hitting
them makes you neither tough nor impressive. It makes
you look stupid, rude, and a coward. Abusive unacceptable
bullying is also a criminal offence.

Foxy, again you are prattling on ad-nauseam.
You are too narrow in your views and that makes you very biased and therefore irrelevant.
You completely missed the point and 'cherry picked' what you thought would help bolster your case.
You fell for it and failed, because what I have described is real life, not some fantasy dreamed up by the true cowards.
A coward does not face his detractors.
He turns and runs.
A righteous man however takes them on, head on.
No matter how many times you show your irrelevance, I have taken you on, head on, every time.
Apparently it's ok to put down women these days because it is PC.
You and your lot are the cowards as you expect people to lower themselves to your level so as to not make you feel uncomfortable or worse, even though you are wrong.
The difference between us is that I 'know' you are wrong, where as you 'think' you are right.
The PC brigade is mentally deranged to expect people to lie just so as to not upset them.
What I have described is real life.
You have obviously spent too long behind closed doors and have lost touch with the real world.
Tell you what, get out more often, stop hanging around with like minded dreamers and snowflakes and experience the 'real' world.
With your attitude, you won't like what you see and hear, but, too bad it is what it is and nothing you say or the govt does will ever change that.
It is human nature, and you know it.

Freedom of speech is not freedom to abuse.

I rest my case.

Dear Foxy,

«Freedom of speech is not freedom to abuse.»

But freedom of speech includes the freedom to verbally abuse,
which is why freedom of speech is undesirable in the public sphere.

I would fight tooth and nail so that Altrav is able to say whatever he likes in his own home or among his friends who agree to hear what he has to say. As for OLO - this is completely up to our sovereign, Graham Young.

But as for the public space, stepping into it implies the willing sacrifice of freedoms and acceptance of the rules of the public who owns the place - for nothing else permits you to go there. Don't like it? then stay at home, there you ought to be able not only to say but even to do whatever you like.

Dear Yuyutsu,

Free speech is not a legal right people hold in
Australia.

Australians are subject to a variety of laws restricting
free speech - including defamation laws, hate speech laws,
sexual harassment laws and laws against threatening others.

While desirable in theory - truly free speech would open up
vulnerable people to intimidation and attack. Some
restriction upon speech facillitates the operation of a
representative and responsible democracy by fostering an
environment in which marginalised people feel safe to
speak up.

So the next time your obnoxious uncle/friend/colleague/
neighbour comes to visit and starts in on a racist/sexist/
homophobic rant - kindly remind him that free speech isn't
a thing in Australia. You're well within your rights to
kick him out of your house.

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2017/09/australia-does-not-have-freedom-of-speech/

Foxy you need to define what you mean by abuse. Can we verbally abuse Hitler, Pol Pot, the UN, someone we dislike? You are not free if you cannot express your dislikes; it means you are supressing real feelings. I can state I hate what Mohamed has done to Human society, and others what to supress that. We freely have it said of Jesus Christ on this forum.