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Posted by ALTRAV, Monday, 11 June 2018 1:14:19 PM
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'You can't incite people to violence,'
when you have snowflakes like the Hilary supporters who rioted simply because she lost the application of inciting to violence is very open to interpretation. In Britian Tommy Robinson is in gaol for exposing muslim paedophile ring without any violence. Then you have the antifa thugs who dummy spit everytime they don't get their own marxist ways/ Posted by runner, Monday, 11 June 2018 2:04:41 PM
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Foxy - I think you're possibly conflating Hate Speech with Political Correctness. But I'll read through the thread again.
Probably Hate Speech is a subset of PC but not everything that is PC is Hate Speech. Also in a democracy people are entitled to protest - and that includes subject matter that might offend. But I'm always wary that everything that comes out of our mouths can be challenged so you should be prepared to defend them. Those unprepared will hang themselves - doesn't mean they're wrong but they may need to come back another day. Sometimes it's necessary to weigh up if the battle is worth fighting for - benefit vs cost - there needs to be some subtlety in the context of how you present your argument. Yasmin in using ANZAC day terminology insulted Australians on an Australian Public Holiday relating to Australian Families. If you dress as someone that doesn't look like part of Australian Culture, attack Australian Culture, and Australian Families, and try to lecture Australian's, and ask them for their support - for something that has been regularly in the media and doesn't have majority support - what would you think the reaction would be? She has now alienated the Australian people to the refugee cause. Whether you agree with the refugee cause or not - Most people wouldn't do it. You can say what you want - but if you capture an audience they should make sure they leave a good impression - otherwise they're just annoying them - and lose the battle. Maybe she was testing the audience for feedback...Propaganda Wars are interesting. Posted by Canem Malum, Monday, 11 June 2018 4:14:49 PM
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runner,
"In Britian Tommy Robinson is in gaol for exposing muslim paedophile ring without any violence." No he isn't. The ring was exposed ages ago (not by him) and the trials are ongoing. He was jailed because of his hostile street interview attempt with one of the suspects. Not only did that risk compromising the right to a fair trial, but it was also a breach of the conditions of the suspended sentence he was already serving for a similar (and more serious) offence. Posted by Aidan, Monday, 11 June 2018 7:45:58 PM
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Canem Malum,
No I am not conflating hate speech with political correctness. The differences between the two have been clearly explained in this discussion. Political correctness is not a blind censorship of opinion but a suppression of harmful speech acts. We need to see the difference between harmful speech acts and our right to free speech. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 11 June 2018 7:52:49 PM
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cont'd ...
Regarding Yassmin Abdel Magied? The response to one young woman's opinion was far more of a disgrace than asking Australia to recognize the value of ALL lives lost to war. But then she was a black young woman and a Muslim so all those "lovely" white gentlemen who supposedly are all for "free speech" and anti PC came out in droves to attack her. The following link explains further: http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/hysteria-over-yassmin-abdelmagieds-anzac-day-post-cannot-be-separated-from-racism-20170427-gvtjdj.html Posted by Foxy, Monday, 11 June 2018 8:07:24 PM
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All that you have just said is irrelevant to those of us who believe in saying 'exactly' what we mean.
PC and FS deny these rights.
I and any thinking person would not expect to be lied to simply because of some emotionally disturbed few.
Simply because you and your followers are offended by something, does not mean it should not be said.
So take your last post and read it to yourself because those of us who are aware and not afraid of what we see out there, don't need to hear anymore of your prattling and self absorbed beliefs.
You have pushed this topic to ad nauseum and so if you do not have any new input or information, I would say, once again you have done exactly what you accuse me of.
You speak of all the books you have read and the research as well.
So it then follows that all your preachings are from other sources but your own.
What you have demonstrated is someone with no substance or integrity, or to be more accurate; A STRAWMAN! or is that strawwoman? Shame I'm not a PC freak.