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Political Correctness vs Free Speech.

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Foxy, you leave your self wide open again.
Your link is a clear indictment of the FS and PC conflate or better still, conflict.
You cannot have the two working in concert.
Either you are going to speak your mind, as she has done, and expect people to comment, or don't, and live a lie.
What is that saying, 'I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it'.
This saying has been around since forever and it exemplifies my point. The 'difference' as you put it, has been explained to death and back again, and still you refuse to accept it.
Such as your take on FS as 'harmful speech acts'.
'Harmful speech acts'. What acts? Stop overreaching to make your point.
Speech is an intangible, it has no physical form it cannot act in a harmful way.
Speech is subjective where as I am objective and that's why you are wrong in your attempted assertions.
You are pushing an agenda which forces people to stop being free and frank.
You are weak of mind and character if you don't have the maturity to either challenge something or just ignore it and walk away.
If you want to put me in my place then just stop posting on this topic and I will have nothing to respond to and you can get on with something else without trying to 'flog a dead horse', if your so sensitive to the hard realities of life.
Posted by ALTRAV, Monday, 11 June 2018 10:06:49 PM
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It was good that Yasmin was able to express her bigotry and hatred for the nation that gave her so much. Her idiotic conclusion that Islam is good for women could only come from one demented Marxist uni system that lacks logic. All those I know are happy the abc gave her a platform to make a dill of herself. They are good at that.
Posted by runner, Monday, 11 June 2018 10:13:35 PM
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We need to see the difference between harmful speech acts
and our right of free speech. Describing Gays as faggots
for example - both words are used to describe the same
type of individual. However the former word does not
seem to do anything apart from its denotative function -
whereas the second has a distinct act of demonizing or
stigmatizing. Its an act of condemnation - than it is
to communicate meaning.

Therefore as stated earlier political correctness is not
a blind censorship of opinion but a suppression of
harmful speech acts. Nobody is disagreeing on the right
of people being free to say whatever they want. But
sometimes however, when free speech can shift into the
dangerous territory of saying things that are outrightly
harmful to a particular group of people - eg. racism,
sexism, homophobic, et cetera - then some of us can use
our right to free speech to complain and critique.

If your show gets cancelled because you did something offensive
that's not cutting off your right to free speech. You're not
being thrown in prison, you can still express your views
elsewhere. But the network provider has a right to deny
you expressing your views on their network if you're
spreading hate speech and they disagree with that.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 11:02:56 AM
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Foxy - With respect ... the "more times" you repeat an opinion doesn't make it "more right". I'd be interested on a more in depth analysis of the topic not sure about others.
Posted by Canem Malum, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 12:02:05 PM
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Canem Malum,

The only reason repetition is necessary - is in response
to misunderstanding what has been said. I don't like it
either - but sometimes things do need to be repeated
for clarity's sake - especially for certain people.
After you've been on this forum for a while - you too
shall hopefully understand.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 12:12:36 PM
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Foxy, what you are describing is PC.
The fact that the network has a PC policy is no coincidence.
It has to take the pansy line for the sake of ratings and not alienate the pansies.
If not for the very people I demonise and abhor, we could say what we want without fear of being attacked by those too gutless to hear any negative criticisms or comments against them.
Every person has the right to malign, defame, verbally abuse and even hate someone.
You are pushing a very sensitive agenda with your rhetoric.
Will you not accept that if I want to abuse you or vilify you, I will, not because I can but because the situation which brought about this verbal negative tirade required it.
I don't care for your attitude therefore for me to not only make my point, I must do something to stop you from persisting.
The first level is to abuse, the next is to abuse but with a louder and more aggressive delivery.
If none of this resolves the stand off we then result to a damn good physical delivery.
That is the reality of life and humans.
Better men than you have tried to change humanity; never happen.
So stop pushing your pansy agenda, we don't care for it.
I will say whatever I feel the need to say to best articulate or convey my message or point.
BTW I do know the differences you speak of, so it has nothing to do with ignorance, but everything to do with freedoms.
Posted by ALTRAV, Tuesday, 12 June 2018 12:18:46 PM
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