rache, forcing anyone to use tax payer funds is not depriving them of anything. The money never was, and never should be made available for the likes of cigs, grog or gambling, full stop.

BTW, there is such a card in operation as we speak and is widely used in the Logan area ATM. This same card is about to be introduced in the Caboolture region, which is where I am located and although I know it will hurt my business, it is for the betterment of society and there to help ensure that the tax payers funds are being spent more wisely. Let's face it, had this been the case where these funds were not wasted, then there would be no need to take these measures, but they have not.

Of cause the rat bags spoilt it for the rest, but if the rest are doing the right thing then what's the problem.

rache, 'Pig Iron' Bob Menzies, founder of the Liberal Party believed an unemployment level of 10% was "desirable", as it would keep a lid on "worker demands". He also believed women in the workforce was an "untapped source of cheap labour". 'Pig Iron' also liked Hitlers Germany, and said so.

So it's better to punish ten thousand people trapped by circumstance than to let one person get an easy ride?
rache,
Tens of thousands are getting an easy ride, not just a few if you care to observe. Why not offer your idea of a solution ? Statements simply stating staus quo aren't productive, ideas to solutions can be. Let me put a question to you; What would you do with people who deliberately make themselves unemployable ? I know what I would do, food cards only that specifically exclude cigarettes & alcohol. Why is it that some people have the right to demand we support them but as soon as we asked for just a little responsibility from them we're that bad ones ? I have stated countless times that those who believe the voluntarily, deliberately useless should be supported, feel free to provide their TFT to the ATO for deductions, just don't expect decent people to contribute to the rorting & exploitation & the further decline of our society. Undersatnd this; between the greedy & the idealists this Nation is being brought to its knees & it is only the committment of decent & responsible citizens that the show still functions. There are good in both our political parties but they're outnumbered by the self-serving, public service bureaucrats..

Most people want more money - as often as possible; they don't care about the consequences to others. They never think of the effect; but there is an effect, and the effect is: fewer jobs, fewer hours for those with jobs (there are more casual jobs these days because employers are doing everything they can to survive), and the closure of small businesses, the main employer of Australians.

If you want higher wages, demand the cessation of mass immigration, globalisation and big government.

Well aware my work for the dole thought brings others out to damn it,lets us think about that, will we still use the current system in say fifty years? is all progress in this area unfair? from a back ground more likely than most to be a welfare receiver I would jump at any job, task, not having needed it other than as a youth, my wish is that we can be brave, think it out and ensure not just work for the dole but paid at a fair rate,and WORK not the turn up and stand around uninterested some do now,a future leader will introduce great things in this area,and will get dumped on by the few who refuse to think about real change, even if it is for the better

I need our statistic lady Foxy to dig up some of the figures on how many % of Welfare recipients are deemed simply avoiding employment & if known, why are they getting Welfare ?

Many of us had to do work we didn't like but we did because we needed to pay for things to get us through the day. During the Whitlam disaster a group of us lost their jobs in Cairns & we drove as far as Canberra before some of us could find a job. None went on the dole. Then, only a few months after I found my job I went for a drive to Huskisson on the NSW coast when I picked up a young bloke hitchhiking. I asked him what he did for work & he replied "I'm on the dole, who wants to work anyway?" I stopped the car & told him to get out. That was in 1975 & I would not at all be surprised if his grandchildren were on unemployment welfare today.
I know another bloke who has been on unemployment benefit for 38 years, another for over 20 years & others still with family, all on the Dole. Another person had Newstart refused because, according to the Centrelink officer "you have a house". that this 'house' is merely in the early stages of building did not affect the centrelink officer's consideration.