So true ttbn.

A friend of ours, a biology teacher gave up on the state system, when asked to teach senior math C. He complained he could not even do it himself, & was told to "muddle through".

He is now doing remedial math courses for TAFE students. He points out that 30 years ago kids from junior high school, with intermediate level Math & English could successfully complete the electrician apprenticeship.

It has got so bad that kids with year 12 certificates stating they were "high Achiever" in math B & C require remedial training to handle the same apprenticeship Math & even English.

Am I the only one who has noticed it is since the women's libbers got control of the curriculum that this has happened.

I was talking to a couple of young ladies from water resources section of the dept. of Environment the other day. Both proud B Sc. [Bachelor o Science] graduates with environmental science degrees. Neither could understand or do the junior high math required to evaluate water flow in a river, without pulling out a lap top with a program to tap the figures into.

Obviously they did not understand what the result meant, but they had something to stick in their report.

God help us.

Hasbeen,

Back in the late 1970s when I was doing an Arts degree at Sydney Uni (part-time and for fun) they were running a remedial English course for first-year students.

I was doing a bit of tutoring and remember one student who submitted an essay written in pencil on brown paper, he found it hard to understand why he had to write it again on normal paper!

Another's writing was so bad that the lecturer had to get him to read it so that it could be marked.
A couple of us took the writer in hand and by the end of first year we had him writing a quite legible script, he told us that his school had never encouraged him to write clearly.

So Is Mise the rot had already set in by the mid 70s. I guess I should have realised it was the rat bag years of Whitlam that caused it, with his free university for any who wanted to go, rather than student selection by ability & proven results before that.

School back then could still be fun. When our intermediate history papers were given to us after marking, mine was marked to 49.5%, a pass. It must have taken quite some effort to mark just three & a half questions to get that figure. Across the paper, in red ink was written, "if you want more marks, come back & decipher the rest of this muck next year".

That history teacher, a pathfinder pilot in WW11, was also the school football team coach, & knew I was writing with my hand in plaster from a football injury. Teachers like that you could have fun with were great.

Incidentally, in a country high school of 360 pupils, only 32 [16 boys] were doing 4Th & 5th year. There were only 10 of us in 5Th year. If you weren't planning on going to university or teachers college, you left school at 15, & got a job. Of course, most kids at 15, in the 1950s had more math & English than senior school kids today, & had no trouble with an apprentice.

Our kids got a much better education in the 50s & 60s than they do today.

Perhaps the answer is not more money, but a return to the curriculum, teaching methods, & class sizes of the 50s would show better results.

Of course the Womens libbers who currently control the dumbing down of the solid subjects, to allow girls to handle them would scream their heads off, but it is what is needed, not more fluff & bubble.

Motor vehicle, increased premium, high insurance risk, under aged 25 years being influenced by teenager culture behaviours: drunken; larrikin; poor employment skills; gambling; drug addictions… Violent movies and violent video games somewhat blamed for US violent school shooting behaviours, competitive school environment students child minding each other embarrassing and bullying each other; adult guidance predominately devoted to forcing school curriculum learning onto teenagers’ awareness, teenagers programming subconscious emotionally wanting to avoided.

Recent Texas Santa Fe high school shooting, parents are surprise believing their child was a sweet boy. I say schooling drove him over the edge of wanting to live, blaming school for his hellish life.

Void of school, human youth could be calmly learning something useful, subconsciously realising better thinking and better behaviour techniques, instead school education drives same word spelling learning in hurried switching curriculum subject period punishing environments. After school homework tasks denying extensive calm opportunities for extensive thought relaxation. Ruling class school education are keeping youth busy denying youth opportunities for deep realisation of detailed rewarding thought; repressing classroom environments emotionally encouraging Neanderthal sport activities, used as distractions from repressing memory school learning.

Bank inquiry should focus attention on borrowers inability to realise property booms are orchestrated, planned, manipulated… using media news tactics: GFC reminder scares; low interest rates; weekly news reports on increasing property auction sales activities; school conditioning students to avoid thinking out finance issues, as school students were forced to except increasing tasks, powerless to complain and/or can’t refuse to carry out tasks, constantly putting up with bad news… adults except changing conditions without complaining, placing themselves in risky investment opportunities, repressing worrying downside pressures, often turning to alcohol, unable to think to forecast if by consuming alcohol in time will lead to worsening problems, as though youthful teenager school learning pretend thinking was partly solved by consuming alcohol.

Like a percentage of aged 7 years children are diagnosed with ADHD, remaining aged 7 years children must have been influenced by the same learning techniques, that because ADHD is not blamed on cognitive overloaded schooling: bullying; embarrassing comments; repetitive boring environment classrooms… for students to have ADHD students must be diagnosed with ADHD.

If many students fail to reach a standard: poor reading skills; poor comprehension skills; unable to argue in favour or against controversial topics, low graded students seemingly becoming dumber as time progresses, A grade students being taught using same/similar teaching techniques, A grade students are being denied new learning material opportunities as fiction character Young Sheldon experienced being home schooled.