If it is OK to bend the 2nd Amendment in principle to prevent civilians getting their hands on the really fun toys... why isn't it OK to bend it in an effort to save kids lives?

"Firearms-related injuries are America's third leading cause of death for children aged one to 17, according to a 2017 report in the medical journal Pediatrics. An average of 1297 children died each year from 2012 to 2014 from a firearms-related injury.

Analysing data from the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention and the US Consumer Product Safety Commission, The Washington Post found that "on average, 23 children were shot each day in the United States in 2015. Of the approximately 8400 shootings, 1458 were fatal, a death toll that exceeds the entire number of US military fatalities in Afghanistan this decade."

23 children a day. And yet I'm sure Is Mise will still try to find a way to weasel out of discussing gun control. He seems to think it's a taboo subject.

Toni,

I'm willing to discuss gun control, as I've told you, why don't you start a thread on it?

I've also said that I'm in favour of strict storage, 99% of children incidents could possibly be avoided by proper storage.

Paul,

"In the past when I have posted similar horrific accounts of gun deaths. Issy and his then dopey forum sidekick on the issue Leoj would berate me for doing so, as they said; unlike them pair of sensitive coyotes I had no respect for the dead, and out of a sense of common decency for the deceased, they would not be commenting on the matter at all. "

That is not quite correct, what we said was that people ought to, at the least, wait until the 'blood had dried'
before leaping on the bandwagon (as the Greens do) and making a comment simply to score a point.

Dear mhaze,

You wrote; “I was pointing out that shooters were highly likely to be fatherless at rates far in excess of their representation in the general community.”

And I was pointing out that shooters were highly likely to be whites at rates far in excess of their representation in the general community.

Where is the quibble?

I also argued that race appeared to be a greater factor than family status. Of course I am indulging in causal inference but not unreasonably I would have thought.

Dear Is Mise,

You wrote;

“I've also said that I'm in favour of strict storage, 99% of children incidents could possibly be avoided by proper storage.”

So what type of strict storage would allow a teacher to have immediate access to their firearm in the event of in your words; “a teacher who is suddenly threatened by an armed murderer in a schoolroom”?

Or is it to be kept in a holster on their person at all times?

This is what you want for us.

Steele,

Clutching at straws now?

There is a vast difference between strict storage to keep guns out of unauthorised hands and arming those most likely to be the immediate targets of an armed criminal in a school.

Still, if you want to see teachers and students left at the mercy of murderers then that's your problem.