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Loyalty Pledge

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I forgot to add that if you're interested in laws
that may affect our Indigenous people or for that
matter the Jewish people - you should Google these
for yourself. There's so much available on the web.
And they're quite interesting.

Have fun.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 3 March 2018 6:31:32 PM
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ABC News a few minutes ago: Sikh parents wanting their children exempted from school uniform regulations because of their religion. What's the betting that they will moan and groan and the Gutless 'authorities' give in. Then there will be complaints from the parents that their kids are being bullied and discriminated against because they are different.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 3 March 2018 7:04:10 PM
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Dear Foxy,

«We have a robust tolerance of difference in our society. But to maintain this tolerance we have to have an agreed framework which will protect the rights and liberties of all.»

False.

1. This framework is not agreed upon by all.
2. Despite this framework, the rights and liberties of all are protected on paper only, not in practice.

But most importantly:

3. The words "we have to" imply that this framework is the ONLY possible solution, the only possible way to protect our rights and liberties: well, it is not.

Of all possible solutions, your chosen solution is of intimidation: "you must either obey our laws or leave this continent, otherwise we will catch you and lock you up".

Do you really consider it OK to protect your rights and freedoms by bullying others into obedience?

«And we are asking our citizens - all our citizens - to subscribe to that framework.»

Then ASK, say "Please", that magic word. Try to persuade others that your way of life is good for them, try to enlist their cooperation peacefully, but instead you are waving a big stick - that's not asking, that's DEMANDING.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 4 March 2018 10:25:59 PM
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Within an institutional framework that preserves
tolerance and protects order we can celebrate and enjoy
diversity in food, in music, in religion, in language
and culture. But we could not do that without the
framework which guarantees the freedom to enjoy diversity.
Therefore we have laws that we are all expected to abide
by. Laws enacted by Parliament under the Australian
Constitution. If you can't accept that then you don't accept
the fundamentals of what Australia is and what it stands for.

Many people don't like the putrid representations like the
"Piss Christ" and do not think that galleries should show
these sort of works. But most people recognise that the
galleries should be able to practice their offensive taste
without fear of violence or a riot. Muslims don't like
representations of the Prophet. They don't think newspapers
should print them. But they must recognise this does not
justify violence against newspapers or countries that allow
newspapers to publish them.

Therefore, we are asking all our citizens to subscribe to a
framework that can protect the rights and liberties of all.
These are Australian values. We must be very clear on this
point. They are not optional. We expect all those who call
themselves Australians to subscribe to them. Loyalty,
democracy, tolerance, the rule of law. Values worth promoting,
values worth defending. The values of Australia and its
citizens.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 5 March 2018 9:58:32 AM
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Actually, 'Loyalty Pledge' was just a quick and easy (lazy) heading. It sounds like the pledge unknowing kids in Presbyterian Sunday schools signed to say they wouldn't drink or smoke. They had no effect, either. What I am interested in is the possibility of kids being taught about our country and what it and we stand for. They have to make their own decisions in the long run, but at least they would learn the whys and wherefores of a democratic, Christan-based Western country; because there is no way their disinterested, materially-obsessed parents are going to tell them.
Posted by ttbn, Monday, 5 March 2018 11:18:30 AM
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ttbn,

Sikhs have traditionally been allowed to wear their turbans no matter what they are engaged in.
Sikhs in the British Police, London Transport, the services in general; I can remember Sikhs in the Australian Army wearing the turban in uniform when to do so did not interfere with their safety or the safety of others.
They are also allowed to wear beards.

http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi/en/article/2017/01/18/special-exemptions-turbaned-sikhs-australian-army

Off duty, and sometimes when on duty, such as being in the Orderly Room, I would wear my clan kilt and badged bonnet with regulation uniform.
Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 5 March 2018 12:19:09 PM
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