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Loyalty Pledge

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The point of a pledge of loyalty is to remind people that they are not simply individuals but part of a larger community with common rights and obligations.

Far too often people consider only their rights and ignore their duties.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 3 March 2018 9:19:41 AM
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Like families, sovereign nations rely on shared values and beliefs for stability.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 3 March 2018 9:55:11 AM
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Toni Lavis,
I agree, signing a pledge is of no use, some ideologies like Islam actually encourage followers to lie if it benefits Islam. Sure we can stop alien cultural practices like bullfighting because it is hard to hide, but other alien practices like under age marriage and FGM are easily hidden and continue. Apparently cock fighting and dog fighting are also carried out. Education is also of little use.

That is why we need a discriminatory immigration policy the allows us to stop allowing in people from those groups that have alien cultural practices. There are a few groups that have shown us they hold our laws and society in contempt. The African gangs are another example.
Posted by Banjo, Saturday, 3 March 2018 4:11:21 PM
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Foxy,

" Ultimately, however, as I
stated earlier it is important that they know that there
is only one law and it is going to be enforced whether they
acknowledge its legitimacy or not."

Hasn't it sunk in yet?
You have had it pointed out to you numerous times that there is more than one law in Australia.

Customary Aboriginal Law has been recognized, de facto, by the legal system in the Northern Territory for decades.

While there is, in theory only one law, in practice this is not true.
There is also Jewish law to be considered.
http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/getaus.html#no.4
and whilst Australian law does not enforce Jewish law it can, and does, take it into consideration for some people.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 3 March 2018 5:21:57 PM
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Is Mise,

What is being referred to here as "one law" is
the law enacted by the Parliament under the
Australian Constitution. It was pointed out to
illustrate the fact that our State is a secular
State. And as such it can protect the freedom of
all religions for worship. Religion instructs
its adherents on faith, morals and conscience.
But there is not a separate stream of law derived
from religious sources that compete with or
supplants Australian law in governing our civil
society. The source of our law is the democratically
elected legislature.

There are countries that apply religious or sharia
law - Saudi Arabia comes to mind. If a person wants to
live under sharia law there are countries where they
might feel at ease. But not Australia.

You're welcome.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 3 March 2018 6:11:05 PM
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cont'd ...

And the Citizenship Pledge should be a big flashing
warning sign to those who want to live under sharia
law. A person who does not acknowledge the supremacy
of civil law laid down by democratic processes cannot
truthfully take the pledge of allegiance. As such they
do not meet the pre-conditions for citizenship.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 3 March 2018 6:15:03 PM
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