Apparently it's snowing in Mexico.

Posted by ttbn.

And in the Sahara desert. I wonder if it has glaciers too?

Hell it is even snowing in Oz in Summer.

Must be caused by CO2 induced global warming.

Many moons ago a Prof Viner predigwcted that snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”."

At the time we thought he meant that snow would stop falling in places where it used to fall.

But he really meant that due to AGE (or something) and because of reasons (or something) snow would start falling in places where it would be rare and exciting to the locals.

The man's a genius. No really, WILTY?

Let me try that again...its not a good idea to try to post using your phone.

Many moons ago a Prof Viner predicted that snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”."

At the time we thought he meant that snow would stop falling in places where it used to fall.

But he really meant that due to AGW (or something) and because of reasons (or something) snow would start falling in places where it would be rare and exciting to the locals.

The man's a genius. No really, WILTY?

Thanks Tony, I started the thread not to assist Jennifer, but to assist the argument.

Interesting parable about the ice box, and you will see that in our atmosphere it gets cooler as it gets higher, to a point. Apart from that it's not much of an analogy. The thermometer is not in a box with ice.

No one was using Greenland as a proxy for global warming, apart from the person who claimed that the ice was melting faster there than it had been. It was completely irrelevant to Jennifer's thread, which was about thermometer calibration in Australia.

But if you wanted to look at global temperature you would look at the satellite record, because it doesn't have the issues associated with surface-based thermometers such as uneven distribution, moving sites, urban heat island effect, and changing the equipment.

However, most of the scientists, including those doing the IPCC reports, use the surface measurements, which you have just told me that you would need "inhibited mental processing capability" to do. I think that's too harsh a judgement, even though I try to use the satellite record as much as I can.

Mind you, the presence of ice is not an issue, and the warming is supposed to be highest in the arctic regions, which is going to be mostly measured in the presence of large slabs of ice. But it appears that this warming is not occurring in Greenland.

Which leads back to the original question. Steele has given some evidence that there may be accelerated melt, but no evidence as to why.

Graham,
If you were really in the business of researching ice melt versus temperature, you would know that 90% of the additional heat that is captured by excessive greenhouse gasses is absorbed oceans. AND that the prime Greenland and Antarctic ice melt is driven by warmer deep ocean currents. Glaciers melting primarily from underneath independent of surface airtemperatures.

And you would understand the maths for calculating global averages. Your preference, satellite data, allows spurious graphs to be generated. I could point you to a video by Prof Muller who was a denialist, who received funding from Koch bros to analyse temps properly. He did, as his work validated climate science. He ceased being a denialist.

You would also understand the role of over 3000 Argo buoys that continuously measure ocean data down to 2 km below surface with regular reporting to satellites.

By the way, you seemed to have trouble understanding my analogy in earlier post. I do think you are trying to create a false trump like view of Climate Change. You slightly change what I said to create a false understanding.

I can direct you to a video or two where highly credentialed scientists are very
concerned as their modelling and paleo data analysis forecast 30% to 50% probable six to nine meter sea level rises by 2100 (I may not have correct probabilities).

I tossed the bracketed comment in to give you something to play with.

Graham, you obviously do not have a background to go toe to toe with climate scientists. Your aim appears to be directed at those who for various reasons cannot easily separate real science from fake science. Although I can direct you to a video expressing life and death concern in Africa as CC has so changed the climate that local elders no longer have useful farming information. CC has destroyed past farming and animal husbandry practices. CC is creating some 60 million CC refugees - many families sending children towards Europe. Syrian wars initiated by CC partly.

Do you, Graham, have any concern for such people? Your actions say NO. Shame.

Hi Graham - again,

I referenced the following YouTube video in an earlier post.
Nothing to do with Greenland, but should make you concerned for humanity.

Oh, if you look, you will find numbers of videos on excessive ice melt in Greenland, with various reporters, including credentialled scientists.

Out of Africa with Thomas Friedman (6 minutes)
https://youtu.be/yEpsygGKObI