Tony153,

Just a couple of other things about the vostok ice cores:

1. Recent paleo-climate studies have drawn some doubt as to the accuracy of ice-core data since its been found that some microbes feast on the air bubbles caught in the ice thus changing its nature and therefore the conclusions drawn from that trapped air. Also its been found that the weight of the ice can cause the bubbles to move within the ice sheets and therefore disrupt dating processes.

2. The vostok cores show that increases in temperature PREceeded increases in CO2 - ie if there is a relationship then its temperature increases causing CO2 increases not the other way around.

But I'm sure you knew all that and just forgot to mention it. I know you wouldn't try to just fudge or hide the data...unlike the ant person who did it all the time.

mhaze
I think you inhabit Alice’s fantasy world.
See extract from

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/aug/11/australia-potentially-disastrous-consequences-of-climate-change-inquiry-told

//Military and climate experts, including a former chief of the defence force, have warned that Australia faces potential “disastrous consequences” from climate change, including “revolving” natural disasters and the forced migration of tens of millions of people across the region, overwhelming security forces and government.//

If you are not aware of CC impacts in Australia and around the world, your involvement in forums such as this is time wasting.

On ice age: of course CO2 does not initiate warming. Milancovich cycle does. As life begins to prosper during initial warming, CO2 becomes a strong amplifier, and drives rate of warming

T153: Australia faces potential “disastrous consequences” from climate change, including “revolving” natural disasters and the forced migration of tens of millions of people across the region, overwhelming security forces and government.

Another reason to stop them from coming or getting to Australia. Ay.

Tony153, I must pick you up on your 6 - 9 metre rise in oceans. These numbers are fanciful. If you calculate all the water in the sky (clouds), rivers, glaciers, ice bergs and so on, I have said many times, it will not raise the ocean levels more than 1 - 2 inches. You cannot calculate the volume of snow, for example as being a solid mass. It is a powder like form, with air interwoven to give a false mass reading. A more accurate method of reading snow is doing a sample core then melting it. The resultant volume of water that came from the sample core in question would end up at single digit volumes by comparison. So we will never get sea rises such as you have mentioned.

James Hansen has been conducting CC research since 1980s or earlier. His predictions in 1980 for the climate situation in 2000 were generally thought to have little validity.

Come 2000, most of his 1980 predictions were, unfortunately, validated. Initially as a top
NASA scientist and now leading a university CC science department. He and about 15 other top scientists published a paper on Antarctic ice melt.

You can listen to the results of his recent research in this video. Ice melt is one thing - super storms another. Yes, and very frightening sea level rise.

https://youtu.be/KLk8Uy2-Lsk

Jayb

The rich western countries are responsible for CC. The poor, who are most likely to be impacted the most, bear no responsibility for what is happening. What role should the West play to assist many tens of millions of climate refugees?