Interesting that those with anti CC leanings have next to no facts supporting their opinions, no support for their wacky ideas. Funny, really. No comments on work by scientists in the 1800s. No lefty stuff back then. No understanding of the scientific method, with world wide reviews of research papers before general acceptance. Like frogs happily swimming in a saucepan of warm water, getting hotter and hotter, without noticing. Very comedic. And, sad, as with gay abandon, they are happy to besmirch hard working scientists.
PS. I have no idea who this Ant is.

Tony, in answer to your challenge of producing evidence or data or anything to back our anti CC claims, I ask one thing of you.
Have you been reading the posts on this topic? I'll assume you have. Firstly I don't have to do any research or produce my own proof, because everyone else has done it for us.
And secondly and most importantly, if the YES camp was absolutely correct in it's assumptions, then we would not get so many articles and examples and research data debunking the CC push.
And as for the possibility of it being some worldwide conspiracy; I would not put that one away quite yet.
The majority of the population are ignorant of so many things and believe things for all the wrong reasons. Most of them follow like sheep because it sounds right or they just don't have the stones to stand and fight. It's so much easier and more comfortable to agree and everyone lives happily ever after as opposed to the opposite.
Unlike me, you choose to believe what the big end of town spews out. I have learned not to trust these major claims and issues because in every case there has been another agenda which was never disclosed and only came to light by accident or by whistle blower.
Just listen to all the things that are continually being released after they had been top secret under the freedom of information act. One recent example. Queen Elizabeth was the victim of a sniper attack whilst visiting NZ many years ago.
Even though he managed to fire several shots, all missed as he was over a km away.
It was suppressed and never made public because, as they said, 'It would put NZ in a bad light and she may not ever come back.
So don't tell me the top end of town is incapable of an international conspiracy.
If you have evidence to counter this claim, please produce it.

A question to this forum’s factless CC critic.

So, if there is a giant secret conspiracy of government organisations and hundreds of climate research groups in universities, how much money would be given by the news media to the first insider to spill the beans? And how many “insiders” have outlined the secret conspiracy and collected the cash? And, were the scientists in the 1800s part of the conspiracy?

Alice in wonderland stuff, although the author of Alice was a top mathematician. Very difficult today to get false CC papers into science magazines. The most such false scientists can expect is a free meal at a presentation to organisations like GrahamY’s.

Dear mhaze,

Good lord the steed has surely expired my young squire, no need to keep flogging the carcass.

As loathed as I am to play this record over again I invite you to tell me what part of the physical properties of CO2 would you like me to suspend in order to believe that global worming is not occurring?

//My view is that there is enormous uncertainty about the real dangers here and there is plenty of time to wait and see if the infection clears up before talking the hand. The purported dangers won't occur for 5- 9 decades (if ever) and in the meantime we can afford to wait and see what happens. And then, if we need to do something when the science is less uncertain, we, or our grandkids will be in a much better position to do so,//

TLDR: 'nah, it'll all be fine mate'.

I don't believe you. I don't think you have sufficient evidence to back up your hypothesis. There is no existing empirical data to guide us, because we've never performed this experiment before. We don't know how it will turn out.

It might all be fine, mate. Then again, it might not. Would you we be willing to wager a large sum of cash on a game of chance with indeterminate odds?

What about a whole planet?

SR,

"..the physical properties of CO2 would you like me to suspend in order to believe that global worming is not occurring?"

At no time have I ever said global warming is not occurring. Whatismore, the vast majority of skeptics accept that there's been some warming over the past 150yrs.

So perhaps you could start by learning to not construct strawmen.

The issue isn't whether there's been some warming but about how much of it was caused by man's emissions, how much more might occur in the future and whether that extra warming might be dangerous.

I find rather amazing that people such as yourself are so adamant and dogmatic in their faith in the alarmist story while utterly failing to understand or even have any interest in the alternate arguments. It's all very well to reject the skeptic arguments having fully understood them but to reject them without understanding them is the height of ignorance. The opposite of intellectual rigour.

As to the physical properties of CO2, I'm not sure which parts you need to learn more about to better understand this issue. I assume that you have the naive view that since CO2 causes warming then all else follows. But in terms of understanding the properties of CO2 I'd like you to understand some of the following:

1. The current majority scientific view is that a doubling of CO2 levels would cause between 1 and 2 degrees of warming - the so-called TCR of CO2

2. We are a very very long way from doubling CO2 levels from pre-industrial levels.

3. The warming effect of CO2 is logarithmic. That is each new tonne of CO2 emitted is less effective that the last tonne at warming. So even though we are half way to the doubling, ~75% of the TCR has already occurred.

4. The warming that has occurred has been, in large measure, of benefit to mankind. ie are things better or worse than in 1850?

The attitude that some CO2 causes warming therefore we're-all-gunna-die is pathetically simplistic. But its almost entirely what the scare is based on.