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Same Sex Marriage Bill Passes In Our Parliament

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Issy, haven't you sucked that bone dry yet? I'm still waiting for you to respond with evidence to back your claims of mass Aussie support for the Korean War. I gave you the drum on the anti communist referendum of the time and its failure. If Aussies had been as gung-ho as Menzies and You, they would have voted yes on mass at least to the tune of 61.6%.

Before Australian's could vote yes to SSM, there was a requirement that they have an acceptance of homosexuality as a legitimate lifestyle. Not participation or even approval, but acceptance. I hark back to my contention that the anti communist referendum failed because Australian's were not as gung-ho as you and Menzies were about communism.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 12 January 2018 10:19:49 AM
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Paul,

What you do not understand is the rules of debate, it is up to the one making an assertion to present evidence.

The claim that "61.6% of the Australian population votes YES"
is a legitimate target because it is just on 100% exaggeration and cannot be attributed to the ABS as was asserted and as such should be challenged until there is a realization of its complete wrongness.
Similarly, the claim that roughly 6 out of 10 Australians voted Yes,
that too is roughly a 100% exaggeration and such untruths need to be challenged or debate is useless, every wild claim cannot be accepted without backup.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 12 January 2018 11:25:56 AM
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Is Mise,

I strongly dispute your claims.

Because I have explained throughout this discussion
that the ABS stated of all eligible Australians who
expressed a view on "should the law be changed to
allow same-sex couples to marry?" the majority
indicated that the law should be changed with 61.6%
responding "yes." And 38.4% responding "no."

In other words 61.6% of all eligible Australians responded
"yes." This I have maintained throughout this discussion.
And all you are doing is clinging to a sentence that
you have misunderstood - which I did explain to you and
have tirelessly continued to explain - what was meant by
that remark.

As for you "6 out of 10" reference. Again you have twisted
the facts of what was actually said - which was that
The results of the postal survey told us what we already
knew via opinion polls which indicated that 6 out of 10
Aussies were in favour of same sex marriage. Opinion polls.

The results of the postal survey were - nearly 8 out of 10
eligible Australians (79.5%) expressed their views.

I have explained this to death. I have no wish to continue.
If you want to continue - you're on your own.

Cheers.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 12 January 2018 12:35:12 PM
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Foxy,

"I strongly dispute your claims"

What?

You dispute that only 31.78% of the Australian population voted "Yes"; are you still standing by the supposes quote of the ABS that
"61.6% of the Australian population votes YES"?

You are the one that made the claim and quoted the ABS as your source, I have acknowledged the correctness of the ABS quotes that followed the erroneous headlines, but that only proves that the quotes that you apparently made up are wrong; 61.6% of the population did not vote Yes, only 31.78% based on the ABS figures.
See their website, I'm sure you don't need a link.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 12 January 2018 1:51:30 PM
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Foxy,

""At least the postal survey told us what we already
knew via opinion polls. That roughly 6 out of 10
Australians were in favour of same sex marriage"

Which tells us that 6 out of 10 Australians were in favour, which is wrong.

The subject of your sentence above is 'the postal survey' not the opinion polls and the survey indicates 3 out of 10.

"As for you "6 out of 10" reference. Again you have twisted
the facts of what was actually said - which was that
The results of the postal survey told us what we already
knew via opinion polls which indicated that 6 out of 10
Aussies were in favour of same sex marriage. Opinion polls"

I haven't twisted anything, your problem seems to be a lack of understanding of the English language.

The opinion polls don't tell us what Aussies (one presumes that that means all Australians) think, they only tell us what those polled said, and they might not have responded truthfully.
Posted by Is Mise, Friday, 12 January 2018 2:07:59 PM
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Hi Foxy, I am pleased to tell you that my very dear friend Dr Mehreen Faruq will certainly be the next Green Senator from NSW. An extremely capable person is Mehreen, who will make an excellent Senator.
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 12 January 2018 4:56:27 PM
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