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Same Sex Marriage Bill Passes In Our Parliament

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Is Mise,

In this discussion I have quoted from the
Australian Bureau of Statistics word for word.
I shall provide you with another link that
again confirms the findings of the ABS.
If you read this link you will find that it clearly
states:

"The ABS this morning revealed Australians voted
YES to same-sex marriage with 61.6% in favour and
38.4% against."

Then if you continue you shall see -
"HOW AUSTRALIA VOTED"

61.6% YES
38.4% No

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/gay-marriage/how-australia-voted-on-samesex-marriage/news-story/856052cb744b25f734d04c1714e202e7
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 23 December 2017 9:27:12 AM
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Foxy,

Yet again and it is tedious, nothing but straw man from you :(

It is YOU who has to prove that heterosexual women are, as you would have it, eagerly requesting and enjoying anal sex and in significant numbers. But you duck and side step. No surprise that you duck, because heterosexual women do NOT request 'bum sex'. That comes from men and it has to do with stereotyping, negative stuff for women, that is well studied.

You haven't given any proof at all so far. To add, just giving names doesn't mean that the said researcher supports your opinion.

This too, unanswered, "Why is it so strategically crucial for MSMs who are seeking to legitimise and normalise anal sex, to be able to claim, to spread the big lie, that heterosexual women are requesting and enjoying anal penetration?".

However, it is easy to find reputable, peer-reviewed scientific evidence that disproves the lie that significant numbers of heterosexual women are requesting or even participating in 'bum sex',

'Lets Talk about Real Sex'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLy9bDayMJY
- Watch the first 4 mins or so and the remainder is interesting too.

You might consider this researcher's comments on the sort of 'proof' you come up with from your Googling, Foxy.
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 23 December 2017 9:32:00 AM
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Any incidence of note affecting heterosexual women would be a bellwether of things going very wrong for women and especially for girls - as revealed by this, cited earlier (but of course Foxy has the anal sex advocate's eyepatch in place),

"Researchers from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, found heterosexual men were increasingly watching anal porn online. Top searches on PornHub and other pornographic websites often feature the terms associated with this type of intercourse. Researchers found that more and more women being pressured into having painful anal sex because it has been normalised online. Worryingly, teenagers have internalised terms like ‘accidental’ penetration of the anal area. Teen girls are increasingly likely to accept these so-called ‘slips’."
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Researchers wrote: ‘In some cases, anal penetration of the woman… was described by men and women as having happened accidentally… Once they’ve ‘slipped’, many teenage boys are said to refuse to even slow down the pace of intercourse, as painful anal sex is becoming normalised. These techniques were considered ‘normal’ by teens who responded to the study and girls were simply expected to be in pain.

Researchers were shocked to discover that teens are becoming so used to anal sex it affects how they speak about it. Many people who had anal sex blamed it on ‘slips’. They wrote: ‘Young people’s narratives normalised coercive, painful and unsafe anal.’ However the researchers are now hinting at authorities’ need to act. They added there must be ‘harm reduction efforts targeting anal sex to help encourage discussion about mutuality and consent, reduce risky and painful techniques and challenge views that normalise coercion’."

http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/18/teenage-girls-pressured-into-painful-and-coercive-anal-sex-because-of-porn-6788524/?ito=cbshare
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 23 December 2017 9:47:53 AM
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Foxy,

WOW! You finally got it near right,

"61.6% of the Australian population votes YES.

38.4% of the Australian population voted NO."

Which is not the same as,

"The ABS this morning revealed Australians voted
YES to same-sex marriage with 61.6% in favour and
38.4% against."

Your so-called quote is so obviously wrong, you didn't quote the ABS you misquoted them.

Wake up!!
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 23 December 2017 10:23:47 AM
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It is what interpretation is placed on the numbers that matters. Here is the straight talk on that,

"The ABS reports that more than 79.5% of voters enrolled with the Australian Electoral Commission submitted their form with a clear vote cast for either side of the debate.

Simply put, this means that slightly fewer than half of all eligible voters (49.0%) voted Yes and a little less than a third (30.5%) voted No. The rest did not vote or their preference was unclear.
..
So does this mean that we now know what all Australian eligible voters think about this issue? Can we conclude that a majority of eligible voters are in favour of same-sex marriage?

What the numbers can’t tell us
The number one point to understand about these results is not what they are telling us, but what they are not telling us. It is tempting to believe that the survey outcome means that 61.6% of Australians are in favour of same-sex marriage, and 38.4% against. This is not true.

While the response rate was high [as is usual for Australian elections], we know that 20.5% of eligible voters didn’t take part.
..
But all we are really able to say is that these figures (61.6% Yes and 38.4% No) are representative of those eligible voters who chose to vote, rather than being representative of all eligible Australians. These two populations may be very different."
http://theconversation.com/what-the-numbers-say-and-dont-say-in-the-same-sex-marriage-survey-87096
Posted by leoj, Saturday, 23 December 2017 11:05:42 AM
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leoj,

None the less, the YES vote won in what was a voluntary vote, in such cases those who didn't bother to vote are deemed not to care either way, so YES is clearly the winner.
Posted by Is Mise, Saturday, 23 December 2017 12:02:56 PM
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