loudmouth, just because I don't have the where-with-all to come up with all the facts does not make my points any less relevant. It is an historical fact that the Rothschilds have done some very bad things to get to where they are today, or are you going to say it was all down to hard work and astute decisions? Please. They are the epitome of 'whatever it takes'. If people like you want to bury your head in the sand, fine go ahead, just remember your arse is clearly exposed and in farming circles is known as 'presenting'. Look that up. The Rothschilds are the most bent family to have ever walked on this planet. You believe what you want. If you decide to research this evil and dangerous family you will see for yourself.

Dear ALTRAV,

Unless you can give us something more substantial
like a link, or the name of a book and its author,
that you've read about the Rothschild Family, than
your claims about them don't amount to more than
just your opinions.

As far as the Rothschilds are concerned conspiracy
theories have been around for generations. This often
happens with rich and powerful families. As is often
the case - it is also true that these families are
also known for their philanthropic activities = which
should be noted. The Rothschild family has led
charitable campaigns - The Rothschild Foundation was
founded to further these efforts. It is world famous.
(You can Google this). The Rothschild family has more
than 30 Foundations which include - public libaries,
orphanages, hospitals, homes for the elderly.

Special funds have been allocated for the purpose of
education - including educational efforts in Austria,
France, UK, Israel, were all made possible through
their generosity.

In addition to monies put forward for education the
family has given an estimated 60,000 pieces of artwork to
numerous organisations. They have created social
housing in London and Paris - and the list goes on.

There's some excellent books available on the Rothschild
Family at your local book shops or at your local libraries.
They cast a slightly different picture of the
Rothschild Family to the one you are presenting on this forum.

cont'd ...

Dear ALTRAV,

The following book may be of interest:

"The Rothschild Family: The History and Legacy of
the International Banking Dynasty"
Charles River (Ed).

This book includes bibliographies and other sources
for further reading. It covers all the scandals and
conspiracy theories.

Dear ALTRAV,

My apologies for the mistake.

The book I cited on the Rothschild Family - should
have read - by Charles River Editors.
(they're a publisher).

Alt Rav,

As Senator Brandis says, quite rightly, everybody is free to be a bigot. Who defines 'bigot' of course, so it's a bit hard to make it illegal.

Thanks Foxy, I'll look around. Where do people get these ideas ? Do Gypsies really steal children ? Did Maori et their enemies ? Do the people over the hill really have their heads under their arms ? Sometimes we have to take unsupported accusations with a grain of salt. Still, he (or she) who asserts must prove, the Romans used to say.

Joe

foxy, loudmouth, it appears that you seem to find authors who portray this family as saints, by explaining all the good they have done. I on the other hand having lived through events where these kinds of people have prospered at the expense of many totally innocent people look deeper knowing what is usually the case. When one is so rich and wants to ensure a 'clean slate', they will spend money on helping people, but the primary reason is to lift their profile and image in the eyes of the skeptical public. I don't care how much good you say they have done. I only care about how much bad they have done. Gates is also very rich. We know where his wealth came from. One could say he played no part in garnishing that wealth. Once he had created a product, it sold on it's own strength, merits and value, so as the saying goes, 'he stood back and counted the money as it poured in'. The difference is his money was gained by 'honest' means. No one suffered during his ascension. The same cannot be said for Rothschilds